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May 6 2014, 19:18
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ May 6 2014, 18:49)  Best low level style is the style that can do RE PFUDOR the earliest with little investment (no forging or IW) so you can rush into high level All the power levelers (ie level 300 in a month) are 1H+Shade or Leather (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) 1H+shade is probably the safest style out there. even with superior stuff, you can get a very decent evade/parry/block. also, 40+% resist can be a life safer while doing RE @PF. though, i miss the days when i can lvl up 10-20times a day. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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May 6 2014, 19:18
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treesloth
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QUOTE(Colman @ May 6 2014, 21:09)  Hope 10b can do something about that . I think either make melee also have E(lv^2) or make mage have E(lv) damage . Otherwise only mage will remain at high level zone .
Melee can also have lv^2, just drop your leather and forge your power/shade armor. Secondly, you can forge ADB 100x, whereas EDB only 50x. QUOTE(holy_demon @ May 6 2014, 21:44)  (treesloth has half your ping, for instance),
I have half his ping but I can't play twice as fast. If I melee with 180ms ping, it's effectively ~2 turns/sec. I'm using a laptop and FF/Chrome sucks. If you want to say something about playing faster bc of ping times, ask danixxx, handsome phil, etc. Those guys live next door to the servers, and get 20ms ping. Just think how fast I could play with that... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) QUOTE(Cats Lover @ May 6 2014, 23:46)  Yep, I meant my novice wind mage gear (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) At least for me, 1H was much faster and much safter than novice wind mage. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) Tbh, just wait until 2H and heavy is buffed a little. You have awesome melee gear already. I wouldn't waste creds chasing 10m+ wing mage gear. Plus you have to forge them, another 15m+ per piece. The player once known as Http/308 chose to melee over mage until the 2H nerf came. He forged each of his armors' ADB to the max. That's 500 Binding of slaughters for the armor alone (each set fleet, arcanist, power prot, power slaught). Then he had various weapons with 100 slaughters on those. I would say that guy was the champion of HV, but he got banned for something. If you disagree with me about who was BOSS in this game, think about this: He had 256 monsters. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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May 6 2014, 19:27
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TheRapture
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What is bubblegum and what do I do with it?
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May 6 2014, 19:33
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Kazetenshi
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Where are the servers located anyway? Somewhere in Europe?
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May 6 2014, 19:34
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Colman
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QUOTE(treesloth16 @ May 7 2014, 01:18)  Melee can also have lv^2, just drop your leather and forge your power/shade armor. Secondly, you can forge ADB 100x, whereas EDB only 50x.
Linear grow and second order grow are two different thing. Even with 100 or even more forge, it is still linear. If 10B balance mage and melee at a certain level, let say lv310, melee will be stronger below that level while mage will be stronger after that. Assume someone keep using the same gear from lv 310 to lv 400, the grow in damage for melee is (400/310) while mage will have (400/310)^2. But the monster will have more than (400/310) HP, without considering their grow in PMI. Just see my average turns in hellfest can tell melee grow tougher but slower with leveling. QUOTE(treesloth16 @ May 7 2014, 01:18)  The player once known as Http/308 chose to melee over mage until the 2H nerf came. He forged each of his armors' ADB to the max. That's 500 Binding of slaughters for the armor alone (each set fleet, arcanist, power prot, power slaught). Then he had various weapons with 100 slaughters on those. I would say that guy was the champion of HV, but he got banned for something. If you disagree with me about who was BOSS in this game, think about this: He had 256 monsters. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) The main reason is the 4 turns per second. He used to have 10+ turns per second. Also, it is the first time I heard he got banned. What's the reason? QUOTE(Kazetenshi @ May 7 2014, 01:33)  Where are the servers located anyway? Somewhere in Europe?
Netherlands I guess. This post has been edited by Colman: May 6 2014, 20:28
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May 6 2014, 19:40
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Hahhaa
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QUOTE(TheRapture @ May 7 2014, 02:27)  What is bubblegum and what do I do with it?
QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 29 2014, 07:17)  QUOTE(stingray970 @ Apr 29 2014, 07:14)  I checked my inventory and I appeared to acquire an item called "Bubblegum"
The description is ambiguous, so what does it do?
better description
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May 6 2014, 19:42
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kos9494
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ May 7 2014, 00:49)  Best low level style is the style that can do RE PFUDOR the earliest with little investment (no forging or IW) so you can rush into high level All the power levelers (ie level 300 in a month) are 1H+Shade or Leather (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) QUOTE(malkatmp @ May 7 2014, 01:18)  1H+shade is probably the safest style out there. even with superior stuff, you can get a very decent evade/parry/block. also, 40+% resist can be a life safer while doing RE @PF. though, i miss the days when i can lvl up 10-20times a day. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Oh boy why does 1H have to own in every aspect... But well, for those who aren't patient 2H is a better choice for running at low difficulty. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (No please don't tell me 1H owns even at low difficulty too. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) )
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May 6 2014, 19:44
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malkatmp
Group: Gold Star Club
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Joined: 30-April 12

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QUOTE(treesloth16 @ May 6 2014, 19:18)  The player once known as Http/308 chose to melee over mage until the 2H nerf came. He forged each of his armors' ADB to the max. That's 500 Binding of slaughters for the armor alone (each set fleet, arcanist, power prot, power slaught). Then he had various weapons with 100 slaughters on those. I would say that guy was the champion of HV, but he got banned for something. If you disagree with me about who was BOSS in this game, think about this: He had 256 monsters. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) i always wonder about what happened to the owner of all those monsters. seriously, it seems like most of the monsters i've scanned are either GC's, Jenga's & his. now i know... ...i guess. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) QUOTE(kos9494 @ May 6 2014, 19:42)  Oh boy why does 1H have to own in every aspect... But well, for those who aren't patient 2H is a better choice for running at low difficulty. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (No please don't tell me 1H owns even at low difficulty too. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) ) Rapier + force shield is inherently versatile. they're light. so it'll work with shade/leather/plate/power users. maybe even cotton/phase too. also, parry + block is a big help for survivability. however, Cost & probably low counter % is the biggest deterrent for low lvl guys. say 100 prof in DW/2H is better than a guy with only 100 prof 1h. lastly, it might be easier/better for a guy starting out to use DW/2H with leather/shade. you can get a full Mag Leather set for 25k (free in FS) & 5-10k for a 2H something. nowadays, you can't even get a decent Force Shield/Rapier Slaughter for 35k. This post has been edited by malkatmp: May 6 2014, 19:55
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May 6 2014, 20:02
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something
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QUOTE(TheRapture @ May 6 2014, 10:06)  Wait wait wait, I feel like I've been tricked.
1H is strictly better than 2H and DW when you have OFC? Dafuq?
OFC is a game changer and works better with 1H than any of the others because of OC gain. without it, 1H and DW are more or less the same. the only real difference is 1H is safer and more faceroll friendly. DW actually has to think about which 5 monsters they want dead/near dead at the start of the round; 1H can just stance, hit buttons and win. at the end of the day though they take an equal amount of work and money to make work on PFUDOR
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May 6 2014, 20:28
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kos9494
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QUOTE(something @ May 7 2014, 02:02)  OFC is a game changer and works better with 1H than any of the others because of OC gain. without it, 1H and DW are more or less the same. the only real difference is 1H is safer and more faceroll friendly. DW actually has to think about which 5 monsters they want dead/near dead at the start of the round; 1H can just stance, hit buttons and win. at the end of the day though they take an equal amount of work and money to make work on PFUDORYou're really something, Sir something (no pun intended!!). (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 23 2014, 22:02)  Okay, I've installed this magic score thingy recommended by something... (no pun intended!!)
This post has been edited by kos9494: May 6 2014, 20:28
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May 6 2014, 20:31
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Drakewyn
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QUOTE(catdrag0n @ May 6 2014, 05:52)  I feel the pain too... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Just started a few days ago, my 1H prof was at 1.05... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) Using this: Exquisite Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter + Exquisite Mithril Buckler of the Barrier (I know buckler sucks, but it's enough for grinding, I'll look for a Shield later, when all 1H skills are unlocked, BTW the rapier already cost me an arm) Now I'm at 49.57 prof, still a long way to go... Huh... I had a rapier similar to that (no forging though) in my shop for weeks before someone finally bought it... QUOTE(TheRapture @ May 6 2014, 07:06)  Wait wait wait, I feel like I've been tricked.
1H is strictly better than 2H and DW? Dafuq?
At your level, 2h is a bit better than 1h. Over level ~150, 1h starts racing ahead. QUOTE(holy_demon @ May 6 2014, 09:37)  shortsword at low level, rapier at high level, axe only works when you have very high block and youre not doing SG, club doesnt work with 1H
By high level, I mean 300+
It doesn't? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) I used a club with 1h... but then, I rarely have time to do things like SG arenas...
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May 6 2014, 20:40
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AIDSFART2011
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Those random ass spells shit on me so hard. Being melee doesnt help much against those fuckers. I am scared, deeply scarred. 
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May 6 2014, 21:13
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 6 2014, 03:20)  Gotta do some serious digging, but here it is... QUOTE Just a hint, since i had to go through this just a couple days ago... Grab some (defensive) heavy armor and a focus staff, load up with as many mana potions as you can, then go into the highest difficulty GF where your Regen is enough to restore the damage you take (Hell for me) and spam away. You won't do much damage since you're lacking +dmg, thus more spells per round and less stamina used (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Also the spell costs are high, so you gain prof more easily and take less damage from plate armor. Just keep Regen and Haste up and you should be fine. This gave me about 10 prof per 20 rounds (rarely got any further before running out of pots (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)) When prof gains start to slow down, swith the focus staff for something with high interference (do note, that 1h blocks also deal damage) to up the mana cost and subsequently prof gain chances. If you need to raise light armor (doesn't work as good with cloth) as well, just switch the heavy armor for leather and maybe fiddle around with the buffs to make sure you still survive. many thanks miku-chan lover (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 6 2014, 03:50)  3. Supportive Proficiency, high proficiency reduces your MP cost iirc...
nope, it adds more turns to that spell (but at the same casting cost). btw, leveling slightly raise MP cost but it seems to me that MP tank do it too, so somehow it's almost even... QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 6 2014, 03:20)  How do you gain 55% block chance anyways? Someone mentioned weeks ago that you need whooping 55% for 1H to be viable...
forging, level scaling and 1H prof + ability slotted. for example, the same shield that colman uses to have 55% block gives 50% to me (lv 281, 1H prof almost 279) QUOTE(zen_zen @ May 6 2014, 07:14)  I believe that you are wearing Leather, try to look for Exquisite+ gear with 4 PAB with protection suffix.
someone spoke about 4PABs Exq leather of protection? (IMG:[ www.drivingitalia.net] http://www.drivingitalia.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/whistle.gif) QUOTE(malkatmp @ May 6 2014, 11:24)  as a former, DW/2h user, i'd really wish DW/2h suck a lot less,
DW is suppose to do the most damage + crits & 2h is suppose to overpower a group of enemies with domino strike.
*.* i second that! the fact is that 1H has been ridicolously buffed... QUOTE(LOL50015 @ May 6 2014, 13:41)  Because GC is a dark mage.
Buff dark Mage > buff GC > GC clears GF faster > more tokens more crystals > buff in memories
(IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) as i previously said, just how much power does this guy have? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) shouldn't we start a petition to make a cap to his monsters? QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 6 2014, 13:52)  Sarcasm is his middle name. With a username with the word "Evil" on it, it's kinda expected...
he's still too kind to be an evil (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) QUOTE(kos9494 @ May 6 2014, 14:32)  Bought a new not-so-bad shield, using Colman's Axe (C'mon, untrack the axe already you (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) ) talking like that will only make sadder the already-sad panda (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) out of curiosity, how much did that shield cost? QUOTE(malkatmp @ May 6 2014, 19:44)  i always wonder about what happened to the owner of all those monsters. seriously, it seems like most of the monsters i've scanned are either GC's, Jenga's & his. now i know... ...i guess. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) with very different approaches though: jenga makes many weak monsters to count on the fact that they are called almost everyitime, so he may always have a chance to win something due to battle won but not on killing hit; g is the exact opposite, since his monsters rely indeed on killing hits QUOTE(AIDSFART2011 @ May 6 2014, 20:40)  Those random ass spells shit on me so hard. Being melee doesnt help much against those fuckers. I am scared, deeply scarred.  the log of your battle seems quite good afterall. though speaking after the storm, 2682 damage is very much compared to 3846 HP: Spirit Shield would process just in these cases, but you can't access it yet; when you see that die-hard monsters fill their MP/SP bars (usually SP should be more painful than MP, but not always true due to your mitigations/resist etc etc) you should still try to keep up Spark since it's already available - remember that after it processes you will remain with only 1HP, so you have to cast Cure immediately and that you'd likely have only two chances to use it before your SP bar becomes empty. if you don't want to waste MP/AP you may try also Scrolls of Life, even though your budget isn't so good to buy one-shot items, but it may really act as a life-saver while waiting for Spirit Shield (let's say level 220-240 before it comes actually useful)...
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May 6 2014, 21:15
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Drakewyn
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QUOTE(AIDSFART2011 @ May 6 2014, 11:40)  Those random ass spells shit on me so hard. Being melee doesnt help much against those fuckers. I am scared, deeply scarred.  At your level, Spark of Life is very helpful.
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May 6 2014, 21:19
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Evil Scorpio
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QUOTE(AIDSFART2011 @ May 6 2014, 22:40)  Those random ass spells shit on me so hard. Being melee doesnt help much against those fuckers. I am scared, deeply scarred.  You use estoc atm, right? Maybe you should try using mace. I've sent you one. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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May 6 2014, 21:34
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kos9494
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 7 2014, 03:13)  talking like that will only make sadder the already-sad panda (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) out of curiosity, how much did that shield cost? Eh? He should be happy since I bought that axe from him for a whooping 1m... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) I actually meant he's still tracking the axe after selling it out. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) And for that shield, I bought it for 1.2m from crass1 (he didn't give me a bargain even after I asked him (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) ). Got a new rapier from a kind seller and I'm now gathering Power of Slaughter sets. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ May 7 2014, 03:19)  You use estoc atm, right? Maybe you should try using mace. I've sent you one. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I supposed that's a Bleeding Wound proc. so it can't be an Estoc... This post has been edited by kos9494: May 6 2014, 21:35
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May 6 2014, 21:39
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Evil Scorpio
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ May 6 2014, 23:34)  I supposed that's a Bleeding Wound proc. so it can't be an Estoc... Oh, I haven't checked the image. Well, then mace will be better for sure. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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May 6 2014, 21:43
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Aegnor Alkarin
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The great DW/Shade experiment has ended, melee style is way too slow for me after maging for so long.
That said, unlocked Imperil last week, threw on my Niflheim set to check the viability of the Exq phase gloves of Niflheim I got from Snowflake, and went into an IWBTH RE by mistake.
Why didn't I grind deprecating hard before? Imperil actually makes cold maging viable for me again!
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May 6 2014, 21:57
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Aegnor Alkarin @ May 6 2014, 21:43)  The great DW/Shade experiment has ended, melee style is way too slow for me after maging for so long.
That said, unlocked Imperil last week, threw on my Niflheim set to check the viability of the Exq phase gloves of Niflheim I got from Snowflake, and went into an IWBTH RE by mistake.
Why didn't I grind deprecating hard before? Imperil actually makes cold maging viable for me again!
next step is silence (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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May 6 2014, 22:15
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AIDSFART2011
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QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ May 6 2014, 21:19)  You use estoc atm, right? Maybe you should try using mace. I've sent you one. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Thanks! That'll help alot, I guess. Though what's void strike? My weapon right now is casting Dark Strike so I have the chance to hit twice which is rather helpful because I dont cast magic myself. To the rest: Thanks for the Spark of Life tip though the enemies normally get first strike and hopefully me using Potions works faster than simply casting Cure. I am using a Longsword 2H right now and it worked so far, huge crowds give me trouble as many cast their magic at the same time, leaving me stranded because Cure has a 2-turns Cooldown. Being melee is suffering
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