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May 4 2014, 05:40
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kos9494
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ May 4 2014, 11:34)  I have a question for people who have tokenizer and play a lot. Does tokenizer 1 give you enough blood token to sustain both FSM and TT&T?
The ratio of getting Blood Token to Chaos Token is 1:4? Without Tokenizer, I can can only do 2 FSM per 3 days. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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May 4 2014, 05:50
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(Kazetenshi @ May 4 2014, 13:17)  To be honest though, is the rapier's PA really THAT amazing to justify its crazy price tag? Currently at my level, I breeze through Hell difficulty 1-2 shotting mobs with spirit stance on. I guess when I start doing SG runs on high difficulties the 75% shred becomes invaluable towards killing them quickly?
Rapier is popular because out of all other 1H options, it has best offensive power thanks to PA(clearing as fast as axe in most situation, and even faster in SG arenas), and decent defensive power from parry (on the other hand, axe has none) If you want to save money and does not plan to do BT+ DwD (Nintendo DwD can be done with pretty much any 1H set up), then you can go with shortsword. It has slightly less killing power than axe, but its parry more than make up for it since you dont have to spam cure as much. For illustration, when I do PFUDOR IW for a leg piece, I have to spam cure 700 times with axe, but only 70 times with rapier. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)
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May 4 2014, 05:56
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kos9494
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QUOTE(Kazetenshi @ May 4 2014, 11:17)  Yeah sadly rapiers of slaughter, especially ethereal ones are crazy expensive and out of my budget right now. Well pretty much anything is above my budget atm since right now I'm living in poverty haha. I guess I'll probably slowly work on the rapier I currently have until I get my hands on a good rapier that I can actually forge. Hopefully my current main weapon http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=a18926c9f0 will last me for the time being until I farm up enough credits for an upgrade. To be honest though, is the rapier's PA really THAT amazing to justify its crazy price tag? Currently at my level, I breeze through Hell difficulty 1-2 shotting mobs with spirit stance on. I guess when I start doing SG runs on high difficulties the 75% shred becomes invaluable towards killing them quickly? This might not be directly related but... Rapier of Balance (For DW) with MMax or <LMax Accuracy is insanely expensive too. A MMax Accuracy Ethereal Rapier can sell for 500k++ and those that go over LMax Acc. can sell for 1m++. I asked some experts (holy_demon included (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) ) and they said it was lucky for me to buy the rapier in my sig. for 1.2m. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Rapier in general = luxurious choice of weapon. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) QUOTE(holy_demon @ May 4 2014, 11:50)  For illustration, when I do PFUDOR IW for a leg piece, I have to spam cure 700 times with axe, but only 70 times with rapier. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) Doesn't doing IW at PF and at IWBTH give the same PXP reward? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) This post has been edited by kos9494: May 4 2014, 07:41
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May 4 2014, 06:18
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Hahhaa
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I think only ethereal rapier got over inflated price. Does zero burden and interference matter that much? IMO, not much if using 1H. 1H already have crazy burden and interference from heavy armory. Poor people like me should just go for elemental. I got the rapier in my signature for 770k fully IWed. or maybe I'm just lucky. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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May 4 2014, 06:25
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Kazetenshi
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QUOTE(Hahhaa @ May 4 2014, 06:18)  I think only ethereal rapier got over inflated price. Does zero burden and interference matter that much? IMO, not much if using 1H. 1H already have crazy burden and interference from heavy armory. Poor people like me should just go for elemental. I got the rapier in my signature for 770k fully IWed. or maybe I'm just lucky. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) I'm still a bit salty about that rapier, I really wanted it too but didn't have enough money at the time of the auction (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) yeah I don't really care much about ethereal, if I can find a decent elemental rapier I'll be more than happy with that too.
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May 4 2014, 06:34
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treesloth
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ May 4 2014, 12:34)  I have a question for people who have tokenizer and play a lot. Does tokenizer 1 give you enough blood token to sustain both FSM and TT&T?
Since you make your income by Noodles, I would recommend you not get tokenizer. Before tokenizer1, I would get 2.5:1 chaos to blood. Now with Token3, I get 30+:1 blood. And I'm starting to think it also reduces arena clear chances of bloods. All arenas/day = 1-2 blood. QUOTE(kos9494 @ May 4 2014, 12:56)  Rapier in generally = luxurious choice of weapon. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Rapiers have always been popular, balance, nimble, slaughter QUOTE(Hahhaa @ May 4 2014, 13:18)  I think only ethereal rapier got over inflated price. Does zero burden and interference matter that much? IMO, not much if using 1H. 1H already have crazy burden and interference from heavy armory. Poor people like me should just go for elemental. I got the rapier in my signature for 770k fully IWed. or maybe I'm just lucky. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) If you're heavy, burden is meaningless. If you're light, still also kinda meaningless bc you can featherweight. 770k is a fair price considering I maxed the weapon in 90min and reforged once. I went for SS and fatality bc I was trying out 1H light. But my heavy >>> light so I stick with heavy. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) @Kazetenshi, you know for most auctions, you don't need the full amount by the time the auction ends. Most auctioneers give you a week to gather money.... FYI
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May 4 2014, 06:36
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Cats Lover
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ May 4 2014, 12:34)  I have a question for people who have tokenizer and play a lot. Does tokenizer 1 give you enough blood token to sustain both FSM and TT&T?
I'm playing DwD, Eternal Darkness, End of Days and T&T + 4~6 Hellfests a day with Tokenizer I. From that I can get at least 10~12 blood tokens a day. With a good luck, I get 15+, it's up to RNG, though. So generally I can go TT&T everyday, and FSM every other day. +Add If you play arena more than GF, Tokenizer is not good for you if you want to get more blood tokens. Because arena token bonus also may affected by that. I'm not sure, though. QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 4 2014, 12:38)  Iirc, tokenizer only affects chaos tokens for obvious reasons. Doublechecked, and yeah, from 4:1 to 9:1 according to wiki.
Then again, token grinders might have different opinion...
Well, even though Tokenizer increases the relative drop rate of chaos token as opposed to blood tokens, I feel the drop of blood token itself has been increased since I got Tokenizer I. Can't tell the exact number because I didn't count or record them, but it seems like from 40:10 to 82:18 or 84:16 or whatever, but not 90:10. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) This post has been edited by Cats Lover: May 4 2014, 06:39
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May 4 2014, 06:36
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zen_zen
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ May 3 2014, 20:17)  First time seeing a Rare class boss in RE. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Do they even appear in RE seriously?  They appear fairly often for me but they are not as dangerous as the top level PL mobs, they just have crazy amount of HP to whittle away. QUOTE(Kazetenshi @ May 3 2014, 21:25)  I'm still a bit salty about that rapier, I really wanted it too but didn't have enough money at the time of the auction (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) yeah I don't really care much about ethereal, if I can find a decent elemental rapier I'll be more than happy with that too. Unfortunately, even the elemental ones are becoming scarce and expensive. The Burden/Interference is very minimal with a rapier and as more players realize this simple fact, elemental rapiers will also increase in price, hopefully not as bad as ethereals (keeping fingers crossed).
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May 4 2014, 06:39
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Hahhaa
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QUOTE(Kazetenshi @ May 4 2014, 13:25)  I'm still a bit salty about that rapier, I really wanted it too but didn't have enough money at the time of the auction (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) yeah I don't really care much about ethereal, if I can find a decent elemental rapier I'll be more than happy with that too. Not intended to rub more salt, but I didn't have enough money too. 100k short at that time. Sold 4 artifacts and a noodle after that auction for that. Don't feel too bad, my budget was 1m (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) This post has been edited by Hahhaa: May 4 2014, 07:56
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May 4 2014, 06:50
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etothex
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Bah, i thought maxing scavenging (mob chaos upgrade) made the chance of a double gift 100%; it only increases the chance by 100%? Thought I'd never have to see an odd number of gifts again after getting to 950 PL.
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May 4 2014, 06:58
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malkatmp
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imo, if you are okay with longer clear time. 50mins for 1H+power vs 1hr20mins for 1H+ "cheap" shade for End of Days@PF. (~1000 less damage) 1H (rapier/Axe/shortsword/club) + force shield + shade is also a very very viable "cheap" option. yesterday, i've played around with that & the result is actually surprising good. the survibility is actually a lot higher with shade, 35+% block/parry/evade is great. though turn OFF shadow veil, because you're dodging too much & losing permanent spirit stance. you can always use an Axe for non-SG arenas to get more dmg, but less evade/parry & crits. also, if i did my math right, a 62.5% resist can resist ~95% of the hits for 50+% dmg reduction. also, Not hving to IW armors (only weapon + shield) is another plus. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) RapierShieldHeadBodyHandsLeggingsFootedit: also, did Eternal Darkness@PF with 1H+shade. used ~2hrs & died ~120rd. This post has been edited by malkatmp: May 4 2014, 07:19
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May 4 2014, 07:14
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TopGun22
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QUOTE(Kazetenshi @ May 4 2014, 00:25)  I'm still a bit salty about that rapier, I really wanted it too but didn't have enough money at the time of the auction (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) yeah I don't really care much about ethereal, if I can find a decent elemental rapier I'll be more than happy with that too. I think many folks here are in the same situation, we want a good rapier but are always just short. I know I was a few credits short a few times in auctions. A good mag ethereal rapier goes for around 2m, depending how desperate that person wants it. If a good mag rapier appears, I might try to get it. I saved up a bit by now and might just continue to save more till I can afford a leg elemental rapier.
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May 4 2014, 07:57
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kos9494
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QUOTE(zen_zen @ May 4 2014, 12:36)  Unfortunately, even the elemental ones are becoming scarce and expensive. The Burden/Interference is very minimal with a rapier and as more players realize this simple fact, elemental rapiers will also increase in price, hopefully not as bad as ethereals (keeping fingers crossed).
Shhhhhh~~~! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Question for mage. Do low level (<300) mages find gc's mobs VERY VERY hard to kill? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) I mean, they hit hard yes but they aren't all that tough cuz even in PF using DW set I can kill any of them in ~8 hits on average and ~6 when OC is on. Only when there's 3 or more of them I would start casting debuffs. Not rubbing salt on mage colleague of coz. Just want to understand more about mages. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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May 4 2014, 08:20
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Aegnor Alkarin
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ May 4 2014, 06:57)  Shhhhhh~~~! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Question for mage. Do low level (<300) mages find gc's mobs VERY VERY hard to kill? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) I mean, they hit hard yes but they aren't all that tough cuz even in PF using DW set I can kill any of them in ~8 hits on average and ~6 when OC is on. Only when there's 3 or more of them I would start casting debuffs. Not rubbing salt on mage colleague of coz. Just want to understand more about mages. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) You're basically asking me that, right? I dunno.Mostly when I see gc's mobs I put 'em to sleep as quickly as possible. And no matter who's mob it is I'm squishy enough that any SP attack will usually trigger SoL. That said, 'In Memory of...' is uasually one of the last monsters to die.
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May 4 2014, 08:22
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Aegnor Alkarin
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Just decided to switch my light armor set for a lark. Haven't done so this year yet. What's wrong with this picture? This post has been edited by Aegnor Alkarin: May 4 2014, 08:22
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May 4 2014, 08:28
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something
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ May 4 2014, 00:58)  imo, if you are okay with longer clear time. 50mins for 1H+power vs 1hr20mins for 1H+ "cheap" shade for End of Days@PF. (~1000 less damage) 1H (rapier/Axe/shortsword/club) + force shield + shade is also a very very viable "cheap" option. yesterday, i've played around with that & the result is actually surprising good. the survibility is actually a lot higher with shade, 35+% block/parry/evade is great. though turn OFF shadow veil, because you're dodging too much & losing permanent spirit stance. you can always use an Axe for non-SG arenas to get more dmg, but less evade/parry & crits. also, if i did my math right, a 62.5% resist can resist ~95% of the hits for 50+% dmg reduction. also, Not hving to IW armors (only weapon + shield) is another plus. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) <snip> edit: also, did Eternal Darkness@PF with 1H+shade. used ~2hrs & died ~120rd. PROTIP: if you're going arcanist/negation, make sure you're killing in the order: ryouko>regular monsters>other SGs ryouko is just as strong as a dark mage but has a bigger hp tank. other SGs can be ignored for last since you'll more than likely resist their attacks anyway
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May 4 2014, 08:34
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kos9494
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QUOTE(Aegnor Alkarin @ May 4 2014, 14:20)  You're basically asking me that, right?
I dunno.Mostly when I see gc's mobs I put 'em to sleep as quickly as possible. And no matter who's mob it is I'm squishy enough that any SP attack will usually trigger SoL. That said, 'In Memory of...' is uasually one of the last monsters to die.
I usually take down gc's mobs and some known Celestial type ones as soon as I see their names. The rest hardly hit hard and they miss their attacks often. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) QUOTE(Aegnor Alkarin @ May 4 2014, 14:22)  Just decided to switch my light armor set for a lark. Haven't done so this year yet. What's wrong with this picture?  The dmg of DW is shit if you don't have certain degree of proficiency. 1 prof = 5 dmg, 200 prof = 1,000atk power and it is not added multiplicatively.  Also, it's best to get your offhand strike chance as high as you can. This post has been edited by kos9494: May 4 2014, 08:35
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May 4 2014, 08:42
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(Aegnor Alkarin @ May 4 2014, 08:22)  Just decided to switch my light armor set for a lark. Haven't done so this year yet. What's wrong with this picture?  you need a lot more Prof. do 1st page arenas (maybe on a lower difficulty) & go from there. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) also, more Str & Dex. it should be at least equal to your Agi/Edu stat. lastly, assuming you're using leather? you might want to get some shade stuff. QUOTE(something @ May 4 2014, 08:28)  PROTIP: if you're going arcanist/negation, make sure you're killing in the order:
ryouko>regular monsters>other SGs
ryouko is just as strong as a dark mage but has a bigger hp tank. other SGs can be ignored for last since you'll more than likely resist their attacks anyway
thanks, maybe i'll try that later when i've more time. though, thanks for selling me that breastplate at a very reasonably price, that resist is quite awesome. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) This post has been edited by malkatmp: May 4 2014, 08:44
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May 4 2014, 09:00
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Aegnor Alkarin
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ May 4 2014, 07:42)  you need a lot more Prof. do 1st page arenas (maybe on a lower difficulty) & go from there. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) also, more Str & Dex. it should be at least equal to your Agi/Edu stat. lastly, assuming you're using leather? you might want to get some shade stuff. I'm powerleveling on IWBTH REs (so much safer, what the heck?!) So ignore the difficulty setting. Its actually a mix of leather or protection/shade of the fleet. I dunno, while this is kinda slow compared to maging, I may stick with it for a while, in which case should I keep replacing with Shade of Fleet pieces? Or Shadowdancer/Negation? Or mix them up.
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