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Apr 30 2014, 00:01
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etothex
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too hard /cluttered to address all the previous posts but about hellfest. I've only ever finished with 1h/ofc cuz it's just too much easier. It took me 2hr 10 min (130 min). BUT you guys dont' understand how to use 2h/niten. The plateau of making it achieavable is just really high. 1h is just so simple, throw on some unforged stuff and have at it. For 2h/niten you need some good defense, and you need something like 80% pmi to comfortably Spirit stance the whole way probably, and need scrolls and shards. You're supposed to make up the damage from not being in spirit stance the whole time by killing much quicker (aoe) while in spirit stance. You also use skills in later rounds to Kill 5 mobs in as few turns as possible, allowing you to mop up the rest of the mobs w/ less worry about health. And this is hellfest, you faceroll (ie don't target same mob), parry is not an issue. So I attempted hellfest just now, w/ my niten set. Normal build is leg power/protect helm +rest slaughter (don't have a good slaughter helm), which won't cut it obviously for festing. Having no clue where to start, threw on all my best defensive armor and sharded for 2hrs. (have no good sabs meh) lookit this shitty Attack:  my normal gear gives me 7044 attack. Katana is IWed, but unforged, waki is forged for offhand strike and some parry/crit. whereas the 1h set I used for hellfest is leg power protect helm, shield legs, rest slaughter. ~6000 attack /w axe. (~6400 normal setup). Again, takes ~130 min. Also this set isn't really iwed, so few potencies. My power 1h/set has awesome holy resist, the posted set 0. Results: 107 min, for pure defensive trial, and there was a shit ton of lag, even on alt. server. Up to @600 was straight spirit stance through. Then used protect scrolls when not in stance, then remembered to try Skyward Sword @800. 2 heroic mana potion. 1 greater spirit potion. Killed fast enough for gems to keep me healthy. Lot of curing in the 600-800 til i switched to Skyward Sword. Didn't need scrolls then either, til OC requirements ran out. I think I might try just 76% pmi (switch out hands and feet for slaughter) as that would give me 6k damage, which would probably make a noticeable difference when skyward swording. 2h is definitely harder, (except mace maybe, i'd have to borrow one to experiment) with its lower parry, lower accuracy, lower crit, and lower chance of anti-parry. I'll wait til I'm higher level to bother w/ estoc/ scythe. This post has been edited by etothex: Apr 30 2014, 00:47
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Apr 30 2014, 00:19
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Laboq
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QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ Apr 29 2014, 17:59)  Is it my imagination or all new armor has 4 PABs at max? :huh:
3 PABz on heavy gears for me. QUOTE(Drakewyn @ Apr 29 2014, 23:33)  BTW, I never got a price check on this: Legendary Arctic Katalox Staff of Fenrir150-200k.
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Apr 30 2014, 00:32
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(etothex @ Apr 30 2014, 00:01)  lookit this shitty Attack:  my normal gear gives me 7044 attack. Katana is IWed, but unforged, waki is forged for offhand strike and some parry/crit. just curious, is offhand strike capped at 100 in every case?
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Apr 30 2014, 00:42
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something
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does anyone actually know if it's possible to DW through hellfest without OFC or is that just wishful thinking?
also, does LotD affect shard/infusion drops or is it just potions?
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Apr 30 2014, 00:44
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etothex
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 29 2014, 15:32)  just curious, is offhand strike capped at 100 in every case?
not sure what you mean? You can't have greater than 100% chance? Using the same waki so chance shouldn't change. Offhand strike chance is same formula for DW, based on dex+agi, capped at 75%, rest comes from accuracy of your offhand weapon. If you have maxed 75% from dex+agi, then you need a waki/rapier/etc that can be forged to @49% accuracy.
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Apr 30 2014, 00:46
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(etothex @ Apr 30 2014, 00:44)  not sure what you mean? You can't have greater than 100% chance? Using the same waki so chance shouldn't change.
Offhand strike chance is same formula for DW, based on dex+agi, capped at 75%, rest comes from accuracy of your offhand weapon. If you have maxed 75% from dex+agi, then you need a waki/rapier/etc that can be forged to @49% accuracy.
yep, but what i meant is: is it actually possible to have, let's say, 101% offhand? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Apr 30 2014, 00:56
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Cleavs
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lol. anyways, tried to IW this staff to try and sell it for moar credits but i really am not so expert, so how should it be worth now? QUOTE(Drakewyn @ Apr 29 2014, 23:33)  Heh... I'm rarely above 200k! BTW, I never got a price check on this: Legendary Arctic Katalox Staff of Fenrirlol, i saw you won the first prize, good (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) This post has been edited by Scremaz: Apr 30 2014, 00:57
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Apr 30 2014, 01:05
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EsotericSatire
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I think it takes me to do 3-4 hours to do hellfest, argh mjolnir why you so poor.
After 300 rounds things slow down considerably.
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Apr 30 2014, 01:13
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kos9494
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QUOTE(etothex @ Apr 30 2014, 06:01)  Results: 107 min, for pure defensive trial, and there was a shit ton of lag, even on alt. server. Up to @600 was straight spirit stance through. Then used protect scrolls when not in stance, then remembered to try Skyward Sword @800. 2 heroic mana potion. 1 greater spirit potion. Killed fast enough for gems to keep me healthy. Lot of curing in the 600-800 til i switched to Skyward Sword. Didn't need scrolls then either, til OC requirements ran out. I think I might try just 76% pmi (switch out hands and feet for slaughter) as that would give me 6k damage, which would probably make a noticeable difference when skyward swording. 2h is definitely harder, (except mace maybe, i'd have to borrow one to experiment) with its lower parry, lower accuracy, lower crit, and lower chance of anti-parry. I'll wait til I'm higher level to bother w/ estoc/ scythe. Sir etothex, master of Niten Ichiryuu!!! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) -bows down- So between Balance and Nimble Wakizashi which would you suggest? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) And is it viable if I chose Shade over Power/Plate for that?
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Apr 30 2014, 02:35
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Caia
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Is 1h axe (and DW club/axe) that much less effective compared to rapier? It seems like I can go get a good Mag axe for less than what a typical Exq rapier goes for these days. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Also, a question about estoc. Is there a point where it would be feasible to use it over the more safe and conventional mace?
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Apr 30 2014, 02:55
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Kinights
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Hello there.
I'm wondering if elemental proficiency would increase the damage from an elemental strike from a weapon.
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Apr 30 2014, 03:05
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LostLogia4
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QUOTE(Kinights @ Apr 30 2014, 08:55)  I'm wondering if elemental proficiency would increase the damage from an elemental strike from a weapon. I have the same idea, dual wielding a pair of hallowed rapiers with phase armaments of heimdalls, but no, nevermind the skills, they don't affect elemental strikes. They're called "Spell Damage Bonus" for a reason. Then again, I'm only repeating the answer I've got previously, so I can't really tell if it's really true or not.
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Apr 30 2014, 03:07
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kawaiikun
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(IMG:[ puu.sh] http://puu.sh/8sVKm.png) My stats right now, is there somethiong i should be planning to do when i get to 200?
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Apr 30 2014, 03:08
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Kinights
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 29 2014, 22:05)  I have the same idea, dual wielding a pair of hallowed rapiers with phase armaments of heimdalls, but no, nevermind the skills, they don't affect elemental strikes. They're called "Spell Damage Bonus" for a reason.
Then again, I'm only repeating the answer I've got previously, so I can't really tell if it's really true or not.
Ok, that's good to know. I was going to increase them blindlessly, so I guess I'll stick to increasing supportive and deprecating after all. Thanks. ^-^
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Apr 30 2014, 03:14
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LostLogia4
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QUOTE(kawaiikun @ Apr 30 2014, 09:07)  (IMG:[ puu.sh] http://puu.sh/8sVKm.png) My stats right now, is there something i should be planning to do when i get to 200? Your question's a bit board... uh, are you using 1H heavy? QUOTE(Kinights @ Apr 30 2014, 09:08)  Ok, that's good to know. I was going to increase them blindlessly, so I guess I'll stick to increasing supportive and deprecating after all.
Thanks. ^-^
As a consolation price, shielded 1H is viable on Phase Armaments, preferably heimdalls cuz they ups the cure. That's also where the Battlecasters weapons come in as well. Speaking of which, is there a script to filter out weapon types , I remember there is one while locking away sell all button but I couldn't seem to find it...? This post has been edited by LostLogia4: Apr 30 2014, 03:52
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Apr 30 2014, 03:48
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Kazetenshi
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QUOTE(kawaiikun @ Apr 30 2014, 03:07) 
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My stats right now, is there somethiong i should be planning to do when i get to 200?
I'd say work on your deprecating proficiency to unlock imperil (30) and silence (40), they really help a lot when doing high difficulty RE's.
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Apr 30 2014, 04:01
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holy_demon
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doubleposted
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