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Apr 13 2014, 04:59
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malkatmp
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just curious, what's the best strategy to get Butcher lv5 (or 4) on a weapon?
is it trying to get Butcher on the first 4lvs, & if you get something else in between (overpower/fatality/swift strike), you'll reforge & start all over again?
also, how big of a difference is Butcher lv5 vs lv4? an extra 5% dmg?
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Apr 13 2014, 05:11
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varst
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QUOTE(Caia @ Apr 13 2014, 10:11)  I got 1 Hath out of shrining one of the event coins - I thought the minimum Hath reward out of an artifact is 2 Hath. Do special rules apply to event artifacts?
Yes, you'll get less hath from that. Otherwise it's the same as the normal artifacts.
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Apr 13 2014, 05:20
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 13 2014, 09:59)  just curious, what's the best strategy to get Butcher lv5 (or 4) on a weapon?
is it trying to get Butcher on the first 4lvs, & if you get something else in between (overpower/fatality/swift strike), you'll reforge & start all over again?
also, how big of a difference is Butcher lv5 vs lv4? an extra 5% dmg?
pray (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) you need alot of luck for lvl5 potency (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) new event (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) This post has been edited by nobody_xxx: Apr 13 2014, 05:21
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Apr 13 2014, 05:35
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Apr 13 2014, 05:20)  got swift strike & fatality for the second time. reforge. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)
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Apr 13 2014, 05:39
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 13 2014, 12:59)  just curious, what's the best strategy to get Butcher lv5 (or 4) on a weapon?
is it trying to get Butcher on the first 4lvs, & if you get something else in between (overpower/fatality/swift strike), you'll reforge & start all over again?
also, how big of a difference is Butcher lv5 vs lv4? an extra 5% dmg?
There's a certain period where you will keep getting the same potencies (armor seems to have it more often than weapon), so you needs to aim for those time and clear as fast possible to take advantage of it. If I don't get 2 butcher on the first 2 level, I reforge and wait a few hours to continue. If I get 2 butcher at level 2, I just keep doing as fast possible (do IWBTH IW for optimal speed), and only reforge if I don't get 3 butcher at level 4 or 4 butcher at level 6. Also, be prepared to dump a 1-2 mil worth of amnesia shard This post has been edited by holy_demon: Apr 13 2014, 05:58
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Apr 13 2014, 05:40
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LostLogia4
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 13 2014, 10:59)  just curious, what's the best strategy to get Butcher lv5 (or 4) on a weapon?
is it trying to get Butcher on the first 4lvs, & if you get something else in between (overpower/fatality/swift strike), you'll reforge & start all over again?
No strategies whatsoever, it's all luck, and plenty of Amnesia Shards. You'll need as much as 10 of them to reforge a LV10 weapon from scratch, and they aren't easy to come by. QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 13 2014, 10:59)  also, how big of a difference is Butcher lv5 vs lv4? an extra 5% dmg? Now that would be a lot. A Butcher LV5 is gonna sell a lot either way, but unless if it's a Peerless weapon, it wouldn't worth spending 100 Amnesia Shards to get. If I managed to open a legendary equipment shop, I'll make sure to charge an extra 2 Megacredits for equips with Lv5 traits. This post has been edited by LostLogia4: Apr 13 2014, 05:49
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Apr 13 2014, 06:37
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zen_zen
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 12 2014, 19:59)  just curious, what's the best strategy to get Butcher lv5 (or 4) on a weapon?
is it trying to get Butcher on the first 4lvs, & if you get something else in between (overpower/fatality/swift strike), you'll reforge & start all over again?
also, how big of a difference is Butcher lv5 vs lv4? an extra 5% dmg?
There's about 2% difference between each level of potency. Do your IW runs at Nintendo at the beginning because you will only level up 1 level and if it 's not what you are looking for it will cost you just 1 shard instead of 2 to start over.
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Apr 13 2014, 06:49
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Usagi =
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QUOTE(varst @ Apr 13 2014, 11:11)  Yes, you'll get less hath from that. Otherwise it's the same as the normal artifacts.
Varst you should report this as bug to TenB When shrinng it says I'll get "some hath" Some = plural = more than 1 = at least 2 So I'll only get 1 easter present no matter how many coins I shrine? Any extra coins I shrine will just be like shrining a normal artifact ?
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Apr 13 2014, 07:01
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n125
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Apr 12 2014, 21:49)  Varst you should report this as bug to TenB
When shrinng it says I'll get "some hath" Some = plural = more than 1 = at least 2
So I'll only get 1 easter present no matter how many coins I shrine? Any extra coins I shrine will just be like shrining a normal artifact ?
Yes, no matter how many coins you turn in to the Shrine, you will only get one reward, will which likely be a package of special trophies and artifacts. As long as you turn in one of each coin, you will qualify for the best reward. Turning in an incomplete set will likely yield a lesser reward.
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Apr 13 2014, 07:23
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Mavulus
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Need advice please. A veteran argued that duel wielding is better than 2H. Something along the lines of how 1H + Shield and Power Armor, 1H Ethereal + Force Shield and Shade, or Dual Wield and Shade are the best classes right now while any 2H is garbage because of the stats.
I'm a warrior with a 2H mace of balance (plan on spending 300k+ for slaughter later) and I have to ask if this is true or not. I cannot fathom using duel wielding when you have 6 monsters attacking you at the same time on IWBTH difficulty. Without any stun. Without any decent mitigation. And attacking 1 monster at a time only doing maybe 300% more damage to that monster than a 2H weapon. How are you supposed to survive one action sequence at levels 200+ when their attacks kill you before you can ever regen your life back up?
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Apr 13 2014, 07:33
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TygerTyger
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Should I be getting armor of protection or deflection? And what level will I be able to do item world?
This post has been edited by Mikey_Mike: Apr 13 2014, 07:37
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Apr 13 2014, 07:38
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Usagi =
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QUOTE(n125 @ Apr 13 2014, 13:01)  Yes, no matter how many coins you turn in to the Shrine, you will only get one reward, will which likely be a package of special trophies and artifacts. As long as you turn in one of each coin, you will qualify for the best reward. Turning in an incomplete set will likely yield a lesser reward.
Oh okay, thanks. Mmm....wonder if sell or shrine my extra coins: Very good stuff = energy drink good stuff = stat bonus bad stuff = 1 hath bug, crystals very bad stuff = happy pill, last elixir
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Apr 13 2014, 07:45
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(Mavulus @ Apr 13 2014, 15:23)  Need advice please. A veteran argued that duel wielding is better than 2H. Something along the lines of how 1H + Shield and Power Armor, 1H Ethereal + Force Shield and Shade, or Dual Wield and Shade are the best classes right now while any 2H is garbage because of the stats.
I'm a warrior with a 2H mace of balance (plan on spending 300k+ for slaughter later) and I have to ask if this is true or not. I cannot fathom using duel wielding when you have 6 monsters attacking you at the same time on IWBTH difficulty. Without any stun. Without any decent mitigation. And attacking 1 monster at a time only doing maybe 300% more damage to that monster than a 2H weapon. How are you supposed to survive one action sequence at levels 200+ when their attacks kill you before you can ever regen your life back up?
The difference between level 200 and 300 is huge. For instance, while 1H + Shade is a crutch for low-levels to get through PFUDOR, it becomes horribly inefficient at high level. 300+ players spend a lot of their time in SGs, that's why DW is still considered good. 2H still does okay in GF, so it's still sought after by high level. DW has more defense than 2H due to the parry from OH, and can hit more often due to the extra counter parry/counter-evade from OH. Melee relies heavily on skill, overcharge and spirit stance to deal damage, that's why the style with better OC management become more efficient, thus we have the ranking of 1H > DW > 2H. In fact, if 2H grants OC on Domino strike, it will become popular again. Heck, if parry mechanism is changed to be similar to resist, 2H could become much more viable for PFUDOR, since it won't miss as often. This post has been edited by holy_demon: Apr 13 2014, 07:52
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Apr 13 2014, 07:48
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zen_zen
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QUOTE(Mikey_Mike @ Apr 12 2014, 22:33)  Should I be getting armor of protection or deflection? And what level will I be able to do item world?
Protection is better than Deflection but more costly. You can IW any time but to do so efficiently, wait until Lv250+.
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Apr 13 2014, 08:02
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kos9494
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Apr 13 2014, 13:45)  The difference between level 200 and 300 is huge. For instance, while 1H + Shade is a crutch for low-levels to get through PFUDOR, it becomes horribly inefficient at high level. 300+ players spend a lot of their time in SGs, that's why DW is still considered good. 2H still does okay in GF, so it's still sought after by high level.
DW has more defense than 2H due to the parry from OH, and can hit more often due to the extra counter parry/counter-evade from OH. Melee relies heavily on skill, overcharge and spirit stance to deal damage, that's why the style with better OC management become more efficient, thus we have the ranking of 1H > DW > 2H.
In fact, if 2H grants OC on Domino strike, it will become popular again. Heck, if parry mechanism is changed to be similar to resist, 2H could become much more viable for PFUDOR, since it won't miss as often.
Can't deny that 1H + Power is currently the strongest style to go with. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) But about DW vs 2H, 2H "Mace" can hit often too if mobs are stunned right? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) If I'm not mistaken stunned mobs cannot evade nor parry any attacks which means Mace can also stock up a lot of OC too? Well, Id' agree with DW style having few times faster clearing than 2H though. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) This post has been edited by kos9494: Apr 13 2014, 08:05
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Apr 13 2014, 08:04
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TygerTyger
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QUOTE(zen_zen @ Apr 13 2014, 07:48)  Protection is better than Deflection but more costly. You can IW any time but to do so efficiently, wait until Lv250+.
Yeah, also I swapped over from power to protection and noticed that I do significant less damage. This post has been edited by Mikey_Mike: Apr 13 2014, 08:11
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Apr 13 2014, 08:11
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 13 2014, 16:02)  Can't deny that 1H + Power is currently the strongest style to go with. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) But about DW vs 2H, 2H "Mace" can hit often too coz if mobs are stunned right? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) If I'm not mistaken stunned mobs cannot evade nor parry any attacks which means Mace can also stock up a lot of OC too? Well, Id' agree with DW style having few times faster clearing than 2H though. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Well you still need to land the very first hit (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) DW has extra counter-parry/counter-evade, extra sustain from attack speed and parry from OH rapier to help with that. 2H has nothing. Also DW is better at shutting down dangerous mobs due to their single target damage
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Apr 13 2014, 08:23
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varst
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Apr 13 2014, 12:49)  Varst you should report this as bug to TenB
When shrinng it says I'll get "some hath" Some = plural = more than 1 = at least 2
Dude, if we just keep on reporting these minor details, we may not have another event next year... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (And TBH, Tenboro never describe what you'll get from the event, almost every bit of detail has been collected by players...) This post has been edited by varst: Apr 13 2014, 08:25
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Apr 13 2014, 08:34
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hki
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I'm going 2H (mace)/light armor, how should I distribute my stats? I'm currently doing 4:4:4:4:1:2, but I don't believe that is very efficient.
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