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post Apr 5 2014, 10:45
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QUOTE(Stulpen @ Apr 4 2014, 17:15) *

Shade and 1H isnt really effective. The high evade reduce the chance for a counterattack. You can play it, but its really slow and nothing you wanna wear at GF Arenas.


Is this based on your personal experience or theory? I am currently playing 1H Shade and it's not as bad as the discussions in this thread makes it out to be. I believe it's the counter attack while in Spirit Stance that maintains the near perpetual Overcharge conditions, I play a lot of IW at IWBTH and by about the 15th round, the mob is comprised of 8 or 9 of the upper third tier monsters. In such conditions, I can maintain Overcharge for at least 5 or 6 rounds or about 10 rounds if I don't use Fus Ro Dah at all. Sometimes I would use FRD just so that I can slip out of the Overcharge so that I can use Focus to recover Mana.

As for the issue of 1H Shade being slower than 1H Power, I am not so sure. My Shades are not anything special, neither are the Power (non-slaughter) equipment I've been acquiring and when I compare at the ADB numbers between the two types of armour, the ADB values on the Power equipments are higher but not all that significantly higher. If I had a weapon that had a significantly higher ADB than this Rapier, I think I might be able to battle in the 1st two SG levels at PFUDOR, TT&T wasn't much of a problem even with my current weapon the last time I played it.
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post Apr 5 2014, 11:13
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QUOTE(zotnios @ Apr 5 2014, 01:30) *

Create a WTB thread... I am selling a lot of scrolls/infusions...

I need 900.000+ credits for Innate Arcana 2 - while training abilities and searching equipment. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

good luck (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
imo you should focus only on one of these tasks at the moment

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i generally use ~1 herotic mana pot per 10 rounds of PF

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maybe when going against FSM? oh, that's an hentai site afterall, so it can't really be helped... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 5 2014, 09:18) *

so i'd assume you play Longsword + shade/leather?

judging from those stats and what i gave him i'd say longsword + hybrid light/shade...
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post Apr 5 2014, 11:36
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QUOTE(zen_zen @ Apr 4 2014, 21:45) *

Is this based on your personal experience or theory? I am currently playing 1H Shade and it's not as bad as the discussions in this thread makes it out to be. I believe it's the counter attack while in Spirit Stance that maintains the near perpetual Overcharge conditions, I play a lot of IW at IWBTH and by about the 15th round, the mob is comprised of 8 or 9 of the upper third tier monsters. In such conditions, I can maintain Overcharge for at least 5 or 6 rounds or about 10 rounds if I don't use Fus Ro Dah at all. Sometimes I would use FRD just so that I can slip out of the Overcharge so that I can use Focus to recover Mana.

As for the issue of 1H Shade being slower than 1H Power, I am not so sure. My Shades are not anything special, neither are the Power (non-slaughter) equipment I've been acquiring and when I compare at the ADB numbers between the two types of armour, the ADB values on the Power equipments are higher but not all that significantly higher. If I had a weapon that had a significantly higher ADB than this Rapier, I think I might be able to battle in the 1st two SG levels at PFUDOR, TT&T wasn't much of a problem even with my current weapon the last time I played it.


There is advantage and disadvantage using 1H + Power and 1H + Shade Armor here are some of them (from my experience) :

1H+Power
Advantages :
1.Killing faster, especially with very high attack power boost from 1 set of Power Armor (Use Slaughter Rapier+Shield)
2.Killing/Wipes all the mobs before the monster can retaliate
3.Monsters that retaliate can be counterattacked, HARD with stun additional chance.
[ You can FULLY maximize your Physical Defense (Protection Armor), Physical Attack(Slaughter), Max your BLOCK chance (exclusive to [b]SHIELDING PLATE Armor)[/b]
4.+atk crit chance and +atk crit damage on default
5.ATK POWER +++, so you can spam your Area of Attack to wipe all the monsters (using FDR for example, or Cannon)
Very high durability because of these stats :
:: Physical DEF, Block chance, Parry chance

5.If you are rich, you can always use Featherweight shard to mitigate the Burden/Interference load.
6.Very effective and efficient in lower level Dungeon/Arenas, where monster's HP is rather small, not so often magic/special attack.

Disadvantages :
1.Eventhough Hit Hard, you also got HIT hard. ( lower evasion, and a bit lower physical defense, except you use POWER Protection or you are VERY RICH to upgrade the physical defense all the way to maximum )
2.If you use Spirit Shield, your Spirit will be drained a LOT, especially facing Higher level Dungeon/Arenas, especially PFUDOR and IWBTH.
3.If you don't use Featherweight shard, your Burden/Interference will be very high, got added if you don't use Ethereal Weapons, it impacts into your Mana conservation (Increases spell costs by 0.5%.) and your Battle Performance ( BURDEN )
Reduces evade by 4/3%, capped at 75.
If burden > 40, decreases melee attack speed bonuses, capped at fully eliminating any bonus at 90.
If burden > 70, decreases physical crit rate by 2%, capped at 120.
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1H+Shade
Advantages :
1.Evade, evade, parry/block, evade, and/or parry,parry, block/evade and counterattack. (Use Nimble Rapier+Shield).
2.Lower mana consumption, lower mana potion consumption and higher survivability.
3.Lower Burden means you can FULLY maximize your Evasion(of Fleet), Melee Attack Speed Bonus(Agile Shade), and Physical Critical Rate (ShadowDancer) or lower Interference/higher Magic Mit/Acc (Arcanist)
4.Very High Survivability due to these very high stats :
:: Evasion Rate (can as high as 75-80%), block chance, and parry chance.
5.Shade Armor is generally cheaper than Power Armor
6.No need to spend Featherweight Shard, except for lower Interference stat.

Disadvantages :
1.Killing slower averagely, especially in PFUDOR/IWBTH.
2.Lower Defense, when you're hit, you will got hit HARDER than Power of Protection.
3.Lower attack power, except if you ARE very RICH, you can always add additional firepower into shade armor.

Ok. Feel free to add or argue (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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post Apr 5 2014, 12:01
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As you can see I use 2H with leather, and trying to put some shade in the place of it...

The actual settings can keep me going for almost 100 rounds in the hell difficult grindfest, I want to know if I'm doing it right... I'm not missing attacks, my mana is good, and agility IDK, so I'm just increasing STR and END.

I was thinking in changing to heavy, but I don't know if that would help too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

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post Apr 5 2014, 12:34
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Heavy would be slower, except for heavy power which is expensive.
I'd change that katana into a longsword too, longsword deals more damage.

If you want to keep some leather since shade isn't that cheap, you can find some exquisite+ for really low prices, even for free in the FreeShop...
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post Apr 5 2014, 12:51
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QUOTE(boulay @ Apr 5 2014, 07:34) *

Heavy would be slower, except for heavy power which is expensive.
I'd change that katana into a longsword too, longsword deals more damage.

If you want to keep some leather since shade isn't that cheap, you can find some exquisite+ for really low prices, even for free in the FreeShop...


Thanks for the reply!

Hmm I see, I think it's good to keep the leather then, since I'm broke... about the sword I think it's pretty good, and I can't find any bettter than this one, I don't think I'll change it so soon. Magnificent Katana of Slaughter
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post Apr 5 2014, 12:58
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QUOTE(Jikimitsuji @ Apr 5 2014, 11:51) *

Thanks for the reply!

Hmm I see, I think it's good to keep the leather then, since I'm broke... about the sword I think it's pretty good, and I can't find any bettter than this one, I don't think I'll change it so soon.
Magnificent Katana of Slaughter

that katana surely is nice, but really consider to switch to an ethereal longsword of slaughter: even a 2PAB (STR/DEX) could serve you good. if you want longer proc, this could also be viable

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post Apr 5 2014, 14:22
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QUOTE(zen_zen @ Apr 5 2014, 10:45) *

Is this based on your personal experience or theory?


Experience. I have played shade 1h long enough. I mean, it has probably the highest survival odds of all sets i have tested so far. But in head-to-head record power 1h is better and faster. When i play shade, i do it with 2H.
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post Apr 5 2014, 14:51
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Apr 5 2014, 08:16) *

Well, just letting you know that your best of drops will come from PFUDOR arena, and pack rat is crucial to clearing them (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

don't really remember where you wrote, but you weren't so wrong: after an update at LotD and 3 REs on PFUDOR i got a not-so-bad exq leather and my second mag drop: Magnificent Leather Gauntlets of Deflection

it doesn't seem too difficult either to win them (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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post Apr 5 2014, 16:21
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Relatively new to HV, started getting into it pretty recently. Any advice for stats/gear choices to look out for? I don't think I'm doing too bad, but in case I can change something up to do better overall would be great to know!

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post Apr 5 2014, 16:34
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lv55 and already void/shade user? not bad i'd guess (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

jokes apart, lower INT, raise END and change your main hand: at your level a shortsword could still serve good, but i think you can find better than that average...
maybe another ethereal (of slaughter), or an hallowed/demonic/elemental...

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post Apr 5 2014, 17:07
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QUOTE(Yashvir @ Apr 5 2014, 16:21) *

Relatively new to HV, started getting into it pretty recently. Any advice for stats/gear choices to look out for? I don't think I'm doing too bad, but in case I can change something up to do better overall would be great to know!

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post Apr 5 2014, 17:16
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 5 2014, 10:18) *

so i'd assume you play Longsword + shade/leather?

imo, i'll raise Str/Dex/Agi/Edu evenly. try to do Random Encounters on the highest difficulty. if you don't have that much time to play (ie your stamina is always @99). imo, i'll just take the volume approach. Do all the arenas on hell+.


Based on the gear I've been lent by dnbdave and Scremaz, yes. And I think I like the idea of it, hitting hard, but relying on hp and evade rather than defense. Kill them fast, and dodge as much as possible, so I guess shade light armor is what I should stick with.

So keeping in mind my idea of hitting hard(and not missing), relying on evasion over defense, and wanting high hp, I should stick with keeping everything equal? Is there a point at which I can focus more on STR and END?

Though at some point, I know I'm gonna wanna just focus exclusively on hitting hard, and I'm starting to like that damage bonus that of slaughter heavy armor can get.

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 5 2014, 11:13) *

judging from those stats and what i gave him i'd say longsword + hybrid light/shade...


Yeah, that gear's really coming in handy, I think I'll try to find more shade armor of fleet, though at some point I'm probably gonna switch over to Heavy armor of slaughter for the sake of more power, but for now I'm gonna stick to this set up.
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post Apr 5 2014, 17:38
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Hi, i have a quick question about Two handed weapons, do they hit multiple targets at once, or it's just my imagintion?

I think i'm hittting at least two targets with my longsword.
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post Apr 5 2014, 17:49
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QUOTE(kawaiikun @ Apr 5 2014, 17:38) *

Hi, i have a quick question about Two handed weapons, do they hit multiple targets at once, or it's just my imagintion?

I think i'm hittting at least two targets with my longsword.


Yes they do, its called Domino Strike. You can see the probability that its happend in the over right corner, of your character screen.
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post Apr 5 2014, 17:50
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QUOTE(kawaiikun @ Apr 6 2014, 00:38) *

Hi, i have a quick question about Two handed weapons, do they hit multiple targets at once, or it's just my imagintion?

I think i'm hittting at least two targets with my longsword.

Yes, 2H style has 'domino strike' which does AoE attack to enemies. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
More detailed info: http://ehwiki.org/wiki/fighting_style#Two-Handed
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post Apr 5 2014, 17:54
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QUOTE(Stulpen @ Apr 5 2014, 10:49) *

Yes they do, its called Domino Strike. You can see the probability that its happend in the over right corner, of your character screen.



QUOTE(Cats Lover @ Apr 5 2014, 10:50) *

Yes, 2H style has 'domino strike' which does AoE attack to enemies. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
More detailed info: http://ehwiki.org/wiki/fighting_style#Two-Handed


Thanks!

Also another quick question, where i can get bindings?

also is there a topic where i can learn how to use scripts?

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Also another quick question, where i can get bindings?


Gifts from you monster.

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how long would it take to people in WTB section to sell me crystal packs? T_T

Forever, just buy them for 5k more.
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