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Thanks, but what does SG mean? can't find it on the acronym page.

SG - School Girls. Yuki, Konata, Mikuru & Ryouko.

Does Burden interact at all with the crit gain from Heartseeker or the evade gain from Shadow Veil?

Then equations in wiki is wrong, because according to them, all crit/evade bonuses added multiplicatively and reduction from burden is also added as a multiplicative.
Wiki also says that burden reduces attack speed. Do you think it is also wrong?

Evade = 1 - (1 - shadow_veil) * (1- (1 - Min((Burden * 4/3%)^1.5 , 1)) * (1 - (1 - equip_bonus) * (1 - title_bonus) * (1 - AGI * 0.04%)))

Look at the equation of evade carefully. shadow_veil is independently categorized.
So if you have high enough burden to get 0 evade, shadow veil always provides at least 25% evade regardless of your burden.

And for Heartseeker, the crit chance on the character screen is already calculated including burden,
so there's no problem to add it multiplicatively to character's current crit stat by 10%.

obvious the higher the difficulty and the bigger the monster groups the better the credits income (first page arena has small monster groups... so less credits drops).
if you only like to spent 1-2h farming/grinding, then do marathons on atleast hell, SG dont drop bad credits also trophies who you could shrine... bazzar food again credits gain. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

btw, is there a minimum difficulty at which schoolgirls surely drop their trophies? and from what i see from 0.77 changelog the 1000+ round penalty affects only the drop from my monster, is it?

Evade = 1 - (1 - shadow_veil) * (1- (1 - Min((Burden * 4/3%)^1.5 , 1)) * (1 - (1 - equip_bonus) * (1 - title_bonus) * (1 - AGI * 0.04%)))

Look at the equation of evade carefully. shadow_veil is independently categorized.
So if you have high enough burden to get 0 evade, shadow veil always provides at least 25% evade regardless of your burden.

I looked carefully. I was wrong about shadow veil, but equation in wiki is still wrong. If you solve it with burden=0 then it boils down to evade=1-x*0*y, which gives you evade=1. And since 0 burden does not give you 100% evade then it is still wrong.

btw, is there a minimum difficulty at which schoolgirls surely drop their trophies? and from what i see from 0.77 changelog the 1000+ round penalty affects only the drop from my monster, is it?

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Items#Trophies
The chance to get trophy from schoolgirl is static 10%, except the final round (final round = 100%)

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Loot_Drop_Rolls#Limits
I'm not sure if the penalty affects to it, but there's:

This applies to ALL drops besides Arena/Ring of Blood clear bonus drops

This post has been edited by Cats Lover: Feb 2 2014, 15:09

btw, is there a minimum difficulty at which schoolgirls surely drop their trophies? and from what i see from 0.77 changelog the 1000+ round penalty affects only the drop from my monster, is it?

For trophies, the drop is guaranteed except in the non-final rounds of the level 225+ arena challenges where it is a static 10% chance.

So, no.

- Playing a large number of rounds at lower difficulties will now reduce the monster drop rate for a period of time.

The monster drop rate = the drop rate for monsters you kill.

This post has been edited by Dan31: Feb 2 2014, 13:36

The monster drop rate = the drop rate for monsters you kill.

alright, thanks to both

I looked carefully. I was wrong about shadow veil, but equation in wiki is still wrong. If you solve it with burden=0 then it boils down to evade=1-x*0*y, which gives you evade=1. And since 0 burden does not give you 100% evade then it is still wrong.

Um...read the blackets more carefully? The burden part should go to (1 - min(0,1)) at burden = 0 so it should give a factor of 1 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

also, is there any tricks in speeding up "End of Days" or "Eternal Darkness" runs? they generally take too long (ie ~1hr) and i just end up doing other 2nd page arena fights.

seelling is better than Salvaging in forge or?

Um...read the blackets more carefully? The burden part should go to (1 - min(0,1)) at burden = 0 so it should give a factor of 1 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Now it is official that I have an unreasonably inflated opinion about my mathematical abilities. Yes, this multiplication have only 2 factors, shadow veil factor and "the rest" factor, which includes the burden.

This post has been edited by Paarfi: Feb 2 2014, 15:03

also, is there any tricks in speeding up "End of Days" or "Eternal Darkness" runs? they generally take too long (ie ~1hr) and i just end up doing other 2nd page arena fights.

1. Raise your attack damage
2. Use your weapon skill (1H: Shield Bash -> Vital Strike, DW: Iris Strike -> Backstab -> Frenzied Blow)
3. Do not use focus
4. Raise your supportive proficiency to let buffs last longer
5. If possible, do not use debuffs. Just focus on killing enemies (not recommended unless you're tough enough)

5. If possible, do not use debuffs. Just focus on killing enemies (not recommended unless you're tough enough)

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) i am not tough enough, have to use weaken in pfudorfest. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

in terms of best way to farm Credits, i should do Arena runs, right? if i've limited time (~1-2hrs/day).

1. should i do it on the lower difficulty (ie Hard to Hell) and clear as many rounds as possible. And start from "The Trio and the Tree" then down to "First Blood" direction?

My routine:
Do PFUDOR T&T because it's the pre-schoolgirl arena with highest drop quality bonus

Do PFUDOR Dreamfall, Exile, To Kill a God, for their high monster/round ratio

Do other preschoolgirl arena on either Hell or PFUDOR (depends on how much time I have)

Do schoolgirl arena on Hell. (though sometimes I would clear End of Days on PFUDOR)

My routine:
Do PFUDOR T&T because it's the pre-schoolgirl arena with highest drop quality bonus

Do PFUDOR Dreamfall, Exile, To Kill a God, for their high monster/round ratio

Do other preschoolgirl arena on either Hell or PFUDOR (depends on how much time I have)

Do schoolgirl arena on Hell. (though sometimes I would clear End of Days on PFUDOR)

that's depressing (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

i barely able to clear the first page on PFUDOR, let alone PFUDOR anything on page2.

that's depressing (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

i barely able to clear the first page on PFUDOR, let alone PFUDOR anything on page2.

If you can't now, you will be able to around lvl 300~310. I've cleared all arenas but the last 2 on PFUDOR. I'm using Mace + Shade btw.

If you can't now, you will be able to around lvl 300~310. I've cleared all arenas but the last 2 on PFUDOR. I'm using Mace + Shade btw.

You clear PFUDOR End of Days with Mace? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

I admire your patience (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by holy_demon: Feb 2 2014, 18:30

You clear PFUDOR End of Days with Mace? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

I admire your patience (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Perhaps he is using a fully forged LEG mace.

You clear PFUDOR End of Days with Mace? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

I admire your patience (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

i'm using a 2H mace too, so is there any other 2H weapon to use? or just use 1H & shield?

i'm using a 2H mace too, so is there any other 2H weapon to use? or just use 1H & shield?

2H on SG is slow, period. Estoc is a bit faster, but nowhere as fast as 1H or DW. For me, I've always found 1H to be faster than DW, but some people report that DW is faster, so it's your choice.

Just to let you know, it's extremely easy, and reasonably fast to clear PFUDOR arena with 1H (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by holy_demon: Feb 2 2014, 19:03