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So im trying to go down the mage route....ive re-done my abilities a few times trying to get the right balance but havent found it yet. so i figured id come here and ask all of you before i wind up wasting more money and time (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=682948b666
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=d021bf135c
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=8243551797
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=4fd3455d1f
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=e0e4158a31
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=57387cd797

been using the Hentai@home program so ive had a decent flow of cash for a while. running low atm but im gonna convert GP in a few days so money wont be an issue. What do i need to change? i had cure up until the last re-do of the abilities and noticed it after it was too late i plan on getting that ASAP.

do i need to have high a magic prof and elemental rating for its respective infusion to be effective?

Nope, your stats have no effect on how elemental infusions work.

So im trying to go down the mage route....ive re-done my abilities a few times trying to get the right balance but havent found it yet. so i figured id come here and ask all of you before i wind up wasting more money and time (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=682948b666
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=d021bf135c
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=8243551797
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=4fd3455d1f
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=e0e4158a31
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=57387cd797

been using the Hentai@home program so ive had a decent flow of cash for a while. running low atm but im gonna convert GP in a few days so money wont be an issue. What do i need to change? i had cure up until the last re-do of the abilities and noticed it after it was too late i plan on getting that ASAP.

First and foremost I'd honestly recommend against trying to be a mage at your level. You haven't got access to all the elemental trees yet, and your credit income is too low to be able to afford the increased cost of mana consumables compared to a pure melee character. Plus, you'll want to have good mage gear, which you presumably can't afford. Stick with melee for now, imo.

However, if you're serious about mage, here's some advice for that route.

Stats:
IMO, you shouldn't focus so heavily on INT and WIS. END is very important because it raises your Shield Rating, which has one of the biggest effects on your incoming damage. I never raise any of my stats above my level (so that my other stats can remain more balanced), though some folks like to boost END above their level by some amount.

Abilities:
First, be sure to get into the habit of always filling out the right-most abilities first when you reset your abilities page. I personally don't ever use Barrier (which is on Tier 6), so I skip that one, but you'll always want everything else in that column, so you can't afford to forget them.

Don't put any points into elemental Ratings abilities, yet. Those have a relatively small effect on your power as a mage, compared to their 5 AP cost. Mages don't tend to get those until they have AP to spare, which you currently do not. So, I'd take all AP out of Flame Tongues and Cold Snap, and fill out Lightning and Thunderstorm. Use that extra point from Coldsnap to grab Cure again.

The EXP bonus abilities aren't worth the AP at your level. You should switch those AP into Weaken, and put the next two AP you earn into Weaken to fill it out. Weaken is very useful against minibosses in arena, as it lets you pretty much ignore the miniboss until you've cleared out the rest of the monsters. It's also your cheapest Deprecating spell, which will let you increase your Deprecating Proficiency quickly and easily.

After you fill out Weaken, fill out the Tier 1 HP Tanks, and then put 2 AP into the Tier 2 MP tanks. That should take you to level 28. You should save your level 29 AP, and then when you hit lvl 30 and unlock Tier 4, take Item Slots II and Shield.

Shield is your first supportive spell, so you can start working up your Supportive Prof with it. Once you've got a decent bit of Supp Prof, Shield becomes more mana efficient than Cure, since it prevents more damage per mana than Cure restores. I suggest that you keep it up all the time in arena, and in the later rounds of Grindfest and Item World.

What do you need in order to take on Real Life as a magic user?
I'm currently all cloth and staff.

I think everyone that cleared Real Life with spells was using a rapier for PA and Soul Reaper.

Personally I recommend just stabbing it to death with a high PA rapier and an eth main hand. Or you can borrow my eth estoc. Its not the greatest thing since sliced bread, but it worked well enough to clear RL with some godly mana draughts and mana elixirs when I hit 100.

Edit: ah found the items I used

4x Godly Mana Draught
5x Mana Elixir
1x Soul Stone


This post has been edited by marcho: Jan 8 2010, 02:25

an eth main hand.

Because EVERYONE has one of these, and a fancy Prism one, at that.

Well, thats why I offered ta lend out my estoc. Or I do have a spare eth 1h axe if that works out better, which it probably would if he has a very nice rapier. Even has a decent bit of bleed on it.

So the only hope for people like me is an Etheral Staff?

I doubt that would help. Mostly it's all about PA letting you do some actual damage, be it magic or melee.

I used, roughly, the same armor set up I think you have, all cloth. Just swapped the staff for an eth estoc (PA makes your spells hit much harder) although mana efficiency-wise I mostly stuck to stabbing, and mana went to regen, poison, weaken etc.

A mage with a rapier or estoc will do much more damage (yes, casting spells) than a mage with a staff, you just lose the mana efficiency of coa and ether theft.

OK, I've been reading this thread (wish I'd read it 3 months ago) and am now in the same position as Thanos (way too much interference to use any spells, tired of just whacking the hell out of things). I gather the first thing is to go to a mix of heavy/cloth armor and try to keep my interference under 25. So here is the config I have been playing with:



Equipment:

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=1c8fe3590b (no proc)
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=7bcb507329
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=cfa73d5491
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=0465cf9181
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=6a8e23d208
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=02af08316c
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=3bc124a1a4

Obviously got all this from the shop (before there was a WTS) based on advice to buy high rather than keep rebuying as you go. This is great for IW and grindfest but doesn't really work for arena (all right, I can get through Blazing Field on normal with greater potions but don't like my chances for anything really hard).

So here is the best I can get with my recent equipment drops and 1 or 2 purchases (it's pretty hard to find fine or better equipment even in the WTS):



Equipment list:

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=0e538d436d
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=6ad1063350
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=5fcee670d4
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=b74c8a731d
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=db8d3094b7
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=a594998540
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=c005b42ba4

Also notice I am switching from sword & board (universally condemned it seems) to DW. Unfortunately the best parry I have is only 10%. Naturally I will need to completely redo my ability tree which currently has lots of tanks but virtually no magic except the supportives:



I have heard you need a lot of the deprecating magics for this approach, I also expect I need to put more credits into more ability points (see below).



And finally the auras (btw, anyone want to tell me what to do with the refined aura I'm training right now?).



Obviously I have been neglecting montage and will need to use that to increase magics for a while as well. All advice appreciated.

OK, I've been reading this thread (wish I'd read it 3 months ago) and am now in the same position as Thanos (way too much interference to use any spells, tired of just whacking the hell out of things). I gather the first thing is to go to a mix of heavy/cloth armor and try to keep my interference under 25. So here is the config I have been playing with:



Equipment:

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=1c8fe3590b (no proc)
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=7bcb507329
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=cfa73d5491
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=0465cf9181
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=6a8e23d208
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=02af08316c
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=3bc124a1a4

Obviously got all this from the shop (before there was a WTS) based on advice to buy high rather than keep rebuying as you go. This is great for IW and grindfest but doesn't really work for arena (all right, I can get through Blazing Field on normal with greater potions but don't like my chances for anything really hard).

So here is the best I can get with my recent equipment drops and 1 or 2 purchases (it's pretty hard to find fine or better equipment even in the WTS):



Equipment list:

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=0e538d436d
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=6ad1063350
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=5fcee670d4
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=b74c8a731d
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=db8d3094b7
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=a594998540
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=c005b42ba4

Also notice I am switching from sword & board (universally condemned it seems) to DW. Unfortunately the best parry I have is only 10%. Naturally I will need to completely redo my ability tree which currently has lots of tanks but virtually no magic except the supportives:



I have heard you need a lot of the deprecating magics for this approach, I also expect I need to put more credits into more ability points (see below).

At the minimum you are going to want to get weaken and bewilder from the depr. spells. You will need to train your depr and supp proficiencies (make sure to use all your remaining mana at the end of each arena, it is refilled for free)

You are going to want to replace that shortsword with a new weapon. A strong main hand weapon willl make life much easier.
If you're going to ditch absorb and mitigation for low interference and high evade, you are going to want more evade. atleast 20%+.
Nothing wrong with 1h-s. I just like to gripe about it. With high grade equipment I still believe dw is stronger, but 1h-s is perfectly usable. Also, one of the big advantages of dw is you can use 2 different procs. Prolly want to find yourself a nice rapier. You're really going to want PA once you hit the boss arenas.

ya your evasion is low for a the amount of cloth you have, there's also really no reason to use gossamer gear if your not a mage, and no reason to use an of the focus weapon either. There really isn't anything wrong with 1h + shield especially with counter now. Your big problem is probably the quality of your shield and weapon. You probably want to look for a 25+ block shield, I'd guess your is about 22. and there is no reason to use a weapon without a proc. Get either a high bleed axe or a good PA rapier. There is also no reason to spirit tanks if your not gonna get the overcharge, so your basically just wasting 9 AP.

OK, well let's consider the 1HS option. I have a shield that is currently 23 and will eventually (2 years from now) be a 29. I hear my weapon quality sucks but I can pick up a good axe with about a 3/100 bleed, the best rapier I can find right now is 12/2 turns but I'm not sure how much damage PA causes, which would you recommend if I go that way at this point?

Also, it looks like that would bring my interference up to about 35. I would expect it to be less with all the cloth and a chainmail body armor but I don't know how to reduce it. I see some people with quite a bit more plate with interference around 10 so there must be some way to reduce it.

Re: gossamer it's just the best thing i have at that spot now (cloth-wise) and it's hard to find silk in the stores as well.

Not sure about the spirit tank comments, I use the spirit attack regularly against single mini-bosses, of course since I don't have any deprecating the alternative is to whack them for a while. I guess you're saying put those AP elsewhere for a better return (where do you suggest)?

Also, was not sure about this:

If you're going to ditch absorb and mitigation for low interference and high evade, you are going to want more evade. at least 20%+.

How do I increase my evade?

There is an edit function ya know. lol.

Anyways, you increase evade by getting better equipment. Also, agi and auras increase it slightly.

other than int/wis/end should i bother leveling up str and agi as a mage ?

All the stats are important for all builds. It's best to keep them relatively balanced. For instance, even a mage will want a decent amount of STR, because it provides a good chunk of Shield Rating, which determines how much damage you take from monster attacks.

My suggestion. for a mage, would be to keep END and INT at least at your level, WIS and STR near your level, and DEX and AGI slightly behind WIS and STR.

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as all of you senpai-tachi can see my stat are much go to melee attack, i wonder what else that i should increase.
well i was thinking of something that like artillery cannon. where i increase my attack, endurance and dex. but i dont know the golden ratio that would be the best to be used for my char. well my equipment was much buy from market by myself since when i play so far, i ONLY ONCE get item(so far my catch 1 crude cotton cap, and 1 other item that can be throwed at the shrine. I NEVER EVER got any other eq until the day i make this post, most of my catch are potion (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) ).
so for eq i will upgrade it one by one and over time, but what kind of weapon would be the best for this kind of attacker? i was thinking of using a weapon that increase my stat either on dmg or accuracy, but would it gonna work?

What is karma used for ??

as all of you senpai-tachi can see my stat are much go to melee attack, i wonder what else that i should increase.
well i was thinking of something that like artillery cannon. where i increase my attack, endurance and dex. but i dont know the golden ratio that would be the best to be used for my char. well my equipment was much buy from market by myself since when i play so far, i ONLY ONCE get item(so far my catch 1 crude cotton cap, and 1 other item that can be throwed at the shrine. I NEVER EVER got any other eq until the day i make this post, most of my catch are potion (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) ).
so for eq i will upgrade it one by one and over time, but what kind of weapon would be the best for this kind of attacker? i was thinking of using a weapon that increase my stat either on dmg or accuracy, but would it gonna work?

There are lots of choices for melee weapons, it depends on what you want in terms of damage, accuracy, and defense. Pretty much anything except a staff would work to some degree with a shield.

You should probably balance out your stats a little, or at least more than they are now. Even if you don't use much magic, INT and WIS can still help you take less damage from it.

And as soon as you get some credits, get better equipment. I can tell you're just starting out, but better gear will make your life much easier.



Edit:

@ echimaru: Check your Mooglemail. It's the flashy thing.

@ Dante: Karma info. In short, if someone does something good, you reward them by giving them green/positive karma. If you don't like something that someone does, you can give them red/negative karma. That's more or less how it works. In theory. Just don't assume that everyone with huge red numbers are jerks.

...or small red numbers, for that matter.


This post has been edited by dap00: Jan 9 2010, 11:41