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1)What should I prioritize? ie stats, suffix

Small note: Don't sacrifice whole PABs for ADB, it is as a rule not worth it(ex average STR/DEX PAB giving more than the difference between subpar and best roll in it).

Okay, thanks for the tips. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I'll work on a set of shade armor. I have a set of leather of protection already, but not really a big fan of it...
I'll work on that too. Would an estoc be out of the question with light armor?

Leather is not very protective...if you don;t like what you have already, that's not surprising, you probably already expect better results out of your play. Lement raises an important point about ADB since Shade introduces it. It needs to be balanced along with Evade, PMI and PABS for the best stats, everything else can be secondary. That's alot of stats to try and get good numbers for...the good news is that you can't easily do so, so just do the best you can. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

It would be surprising if an estoc worked well with your light set in difficult fights...if you use heavy and estoc, and you already don't enjoy it...then going light will probably be a lot less enjoyable. It means you must get a mace. If you can't afford one, try swapping the estoc you have to try one out, someone should be happy to do so for a bit so you can see what it's like. I don't have any ethereal mace worth trying anymore, my best is already loaned to someone.

Sorry...should have added that your mace should really be ethereal too if possible. Light gear relies on evade...evade is reduced by any burden...so if your weapon has it, then it starts to hurt your main gear strength. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Leather of protection + Estoc is not a bad choice IMO.
The protective power of leather of protection is higher than plate of protection at my level. (It is level dependent).
However, the low output damage make the fight getting longer that defeat the purpose of using 2H over DW/1H.

My test result tell me that an estoc with leather of protection allow me to go deeper than full plate and plate/power mix.
But it is slower than plate/power mix with 1H, with an axe that ~500 damage lower than the estoc.

This post has been edited by Colman: Dec 30 2013, 09:10

Leather of protection + Estoc is not a bad choice IMO.
The protective power of leather of protection is higher than plate of protection at my level. (It is level dependent).
However, the low output damage make the fight getting longer that defeat the purpose of using 2H over DW/1H.

My test result tell me that an estoc with leather of protection allow me to go deeper than full plate and plate/power mix.
But it is slower than plate/power mix with 1H, with an axe that ~500 damage lower than the estoc.

At my level, I find that when there are four or more monsters that 2h (Ethereal Mace) does a better job than DW (Ethereal Club + Hallowed Short Sword). I've considered getting an axe for my off-hand, but I can't find one I like better (for a price I can afford!): http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=55caca6319

mustardpie has an awesome legendary estoc, so I'm sure it'll work out.
I switched from estoc heavy to estoc light too! Using mostly shades.

I started with 89 prof and maxed it within 4-5 days of full arenas. Unforged armor, defensive stats are 61.9% PMI, 56.5% MMI 42.8% evade 27.9% parry 64% resist. IWBTH is reasonable but I do have to pay attention on PFUDOR, with my connection speed its not too feasible.

Let me know how your numbers compare mustardpie!

mustardpie has an awesome legendary estoc, so I'm sure it'll work out.
I switched from estoc heavy to estoc light too! Using mostly shades.

I started with 89 prof and maxed it within 4-5 days of full arenas. Unforged armor, defensive stats are 61.9% PMI, 56.5% MMI 42.8% evade 27.9% parry 64% resist. IWBTH is reasonable but I do have to pay attention on PFUDOR, with my connection speed its not too feasible.

Let me know how your numbers compare mustardpie!

I guess I'll give estoc + shade a chance. But I need to work on my proficiency for light armor first...

I guess I'll give estoc + shade a chance. But I need to work on my proficiency for light armor first...

Get good light armor, a crappy 2h weapon (not a Mace, you don't want stunned monsters!) and use silence & weaken a lot. Don't use Haste or Shadow Veil. Do the early Arenas on Normal difficulty with that... but don't forget to do your other runs in your normal gear to keep your XP up.

Also, don't forget your proficiencies!

Depends on whether you use Estoc or Mace. Estoc+light is too risky if you don't have mag/legmax evade. You should be wearing atleast full mag if you want to attempt the marathons. I guess 65~% PMI/MMI and ~6% evade, or around 75% PMI/MMI with 0% evade is enough for IWBTH (evade % without feathering). Your base damage should be atleast 5000, a bit less can work with mace. Parry doesn't fluctuate much with 2H so I can't say anything about that. Ofcourse, an ethereal weapon is almost a must.

Be sure to feather (if going heavy) and cast all buffs you have.

Right now my PMi is floating around 56 %, MMI is a bit lower 54 % (fleet/shadowdancer). We still talk about raw gear ( not forged ). I have ethereal estoc, but it's probably not what I want for IWBTH :<. My heavy set has similar DPS (~ 3.5k) and only a bit higher PMI 62 % and 56 % MMI ( not forged).

With a good mace, the stats erwtsnert mentioned could work, they wouldn't have to be very good as the mace does a lot of the work. But it will be slow. Your gear would have to be very good for an estoc to be even worth trying.

If you want brainless, give 1H a try. Good Barrier shield with block and your best rapier. You can put on your heaviest power, and then ride the Spirit Stance as long as you like. It's quite brainless, the hardest part is developing a way of cycling up...and down...and up...the mobs. Probably better than the mace, as the mace will take much longer finishing off the strongest individuals in a given mob.

Yeah, 1h is way to go even for PFUDOR, but it takes quite some time to kill off all 8 monsters (especially chaosed ones).
Is it worth to sacriface stats for higher block chance ?

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=e01883b02b (33 % block for me)
vs.
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=341db200b7 (37 % block for me)

How does 1H/Shade armor compare to 1H/Heavy? I'm thinking of giving it a try, but my Light proficiency is at half of my level.

How does 1H/Shade armor compare to 1H/Heavy? I'm thinking of giving it a try, but my Light proficiency is at half of my level.

Safety level: 1H/leather > 1H/shade > 1H/heavy(power)
Speed: 1H/leather < 1H/shade < 1H/heavy(power)

Safety level: 1H/leather > 1H/shade > 1H/heavy(power)
Speed: 1H/leather < 1H/shade < 1H/heavy(power)

なるほど, thanks. I guess I'll wait until I've gotten some better Shade equips, I have a good Exquisite/Magnificent set but it's all Negation.

I just noticed that when I increase in point of STR, it only gives me 1 extra ADB? Shouldn't it be giving 2 like the wiki says?

And here is my level 260 screenshot for commentaries on my progress:

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This post has been edited by LOL50015: Dec 30 2013, 18:17

I just noticed that when I increase in point of STR, it only gives me 1 extra ADB? Shouldn't it be giving 2 like the wiki says?

Every point adds 2 to Physical Damage formula =/= giving 2 extra ADB

I just noticed that when I increase in point of STR, it only gives me 1 extra ADB? Shouldn't it be giving 2 like the wiki says?

Base physical damage = (log(3330 + STR * 2 + DEX , 1.0003) - 27039.81) + (weapon_prof * TYPE) + (equip_Attack_Damage_Bonus)

Because of the log on the fomula, your 1 STR won't add +2 damage, though it almost gives +2 at low level (at low STR and DEX exactly)

STR 0, DEX 0: DMG +0
STR 50, DEX 50: DMG +146.892432511996
STR 100, DEX 100: DMG +287.581379935667
STR 200, DEX 200: DMG +552.310340020992
STR 300, DEX 300: DMG +797.555676722544
STR 400, DEX 400: DMG +1025.989756438893
STR 401, DEX 400: DMG +1027.46132269909

Additional STR will give approximately +1.47 damage when STR and DEX are both 400.

This post has been edited by Cats Lover: Dec 30 2013, 16:32

Depends on whether you use Estoc or Mace. Estoc+light is too risky if you don't have mag/legmax evade. You should be wearing atleast full mag if you want to attempt the marathons. I guess 65~% PMI/MMI and ~6% evade, or around 75% PMI/MMI with 0% evade is enough for IWBTH (evade % without feathering). Your base damage should be atleast 5000, a bit less can work with mace. Parry doesn't fluctuate much with 2H so I can't say anything about that. Ofcourse, an ethereal weapon is almost a must.

Be sure to feather (if going heavy) and cast all buffs you have.

mustardpie has an awesome legendary estoc, so I'm sure it'll work out.
I switched from estoc heavy to estoc light too! Using mostly shades.

I started with 89 prof and maxed it within 4-5 days of full arenas. Unforged armor, defensive stats are 61.9% PMI, 56.5% MMI 42.8% evade 27.9% parry 64% resist. IWBTH is reasonable but I do have to pay attention on PFUDOR, with my connection speed its not too feasible.

Let me know how your numbers compare mustardpie!

erwtsnert seems to demand much better stats to try estoc+light than needaname...I can't figure it out.

I would also love to use an estoc and my shade, but even doing pg 2 Arenas on IWBTH is a chore. My estoc + shade stats: damage 4753, 62.8% PMI, 57% MMI 45.4% evade 30.3% parry and 53.1% resist. I have always blamed my estoc...I know it could be better but so can everything. Here's mine...tell me if I am missing something or can I continue to just blame it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Estoc

erwtsnert seems to demand much better stats to try estoc+light than needaname...I can't figure it out.

I would also love to use an estoc and my shade, but even doing pg 2 Arenas on IWBTH is a chore. My estoc + shade stats: damage 4753, 62.8% PMI, 57% MMI 45.4% evade 30.3% parry and 53.1% resist. I have always blamed my estoc...I know it could be better but so can everything. Here's mine...tell me if I am missing something or can I continue to just blame it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Estoc

erwtsnert ask for PMI while needaname ask for evade......

If you do not care killing slower, just try full set of Leg leather of protection. It should be sufficient up to PF T&T.
Or switch to 1H (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

From my experience, 2H (non-god-liked estoc) light with 75% PMI and 33% evade cannot clear PF DwD.

What priority in training should be followed considering the lack of money?

Current state:

erwtsnert ask for PMI while needaname ask for evade......

If you do not care killing slower, just try full set of Leg leather of protection. It should be sufficient up to PF T&T.
Or switch to 1H (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

From my experience, 2H (non-god-liked estoc) light with 75% PMI and 33% evade cannot clear PF DwD.

So I am not crazy. I think both are also referencing use of very good estocs too. erwtsnert asks for min 5000 damage with I guess a leather set (little to no evade), don't know how that can be achieved without a fantastic mace. And I know my Shade defensive stats are superior to what needaname proposes...so if IWBTH is beyond me, then once again the estoc is deficient.

Yes...I already use light 1H all the time, or DW club/rapier...I have pretty much given up on finding any 2H methods for clearing anything quickly at IWBTH levels, light or heavy, nothing really works without a lot of health babysitting, or a significant weapon investment.

What priority in training should be followed considering the lack of money?

Current state:

Depends on what you want, but pack rat is a must for the higher difficulties and later arena challenges. People always recommend Luck of the Draw, but it's expensive if you have a low budget. Adept Learner and Ability Boost are always good, don't overtrain ability boost though, just train for the amount you need.

First of all though, grab some good gear if you haven't already.

@erasomat

I was mainly referring to power users, with light I guess you can drop some PMI because you have evade. Base damage can be dropped a little too because light is mainly defensive.
65% PMI + 45% evade equals around 80% PMI, so that's alright.

I do mainly IWBTH/PFUDOR with 65% PMI/MMI, 6700 damage, ~6% evade, 50% parry and 15% resist.

So I am not crazy. I think both are also referencing use of very good estocs too. erwtsnert asks for min 5000 damage with I guess a leather set (little to no evade), don't know how that can be achieved without a fantastic mace. And I know my Shade defensive stats are superior to what needaname proposes...so if IWBTH is beyond me, then once again the estoc is deficient.

Yes...I already use light 1H all the time, or DW club/rapier...I have pretty much given up on finding any 2H methods for clearing anything quickly at IWBTH levels, light or heavy, nothing really works without a lot of health babysitting, or a significant weapon investment.

2H is too risky in the current patch PF, especially when you do not have VV.
BTW, the new longsword is pretty good due to it higher damage. The only problem is that you need to imperil every single SG in the 225+ arena. So you better use light rather than heavy if you want to try longsword SG hunt.

FYI, 1H heavy is much faster than 1H light.