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post Dec 13 2013, 20:40
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QUOTE(Oversoul @ Dec 13 2013, 19:53) *

I love how he keeps his weapon from 10 so he has guarantee Holy and Dark Strike lol

Wait wait wait! I have a question:
Suppose there is an Ethereal weapon, and it's MAXED. So now it has Void Strike, and another random Elemental Strike. At this situation, can it have two more different Infusion Enhancement? Meaning a total of 4 Elemental Strikes at once? Or it does become limited to one enhancement when an Elemental/Ethereal Weapon becomes MAXED? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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post Dec 13 2013, 20:53
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QUOTE(kuro009 @ Dec 14 2013, 02:40) *

Wait wait wait! I have a question:
Suppose there is an Ethereal weapon, and it's MAXED. So now it has Void Strike, and another random Elemental Strike. At this situation, can it have two more different Infusion Enhancement? Meaning a total of 4 Elemental Strikes at once? Or it does become limited to one enhancement when an Elemental/Ethereal Weapon becomes MAXED? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)


if this can be done, he would have lvl. maxed his estoc

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post Dec 13 2013, 21:39
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QUOTE(kuro009 @ Dec 13 2013, 19:40) *

Wait wait wait! I have a question:
Suppose there is an Ethereal weapon, and it's MAXED. So now it has Void Strike, and another random Elemental Strike. At this situation, can it have two more different Infusion Enhancement? Meaning a total of 4 Elemental Strikes at once? Or it does become limited to one enhancement when an Elemental/Ethereal Weapon becomes MAXED? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)



The latter.
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post Dec 13 2013, 21:43
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So is it worth it to infuse my ethereal weapon with elemental strikes or does the damage offset? I cannot tell.
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post Dec 13 2013, 21:51
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I just try infusions for the 1st time and it felt good, all those annoying high hp giants suddenly melt under my storm strike. From now on, I'm using infusions for all my battles except hourlies.

I can't believe I never tried this before, I mean at 240 credits for 30 minutes of extra 100% dmg, it's a killing, it saves you both time and sanity.

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post Dec 13 2013, 21:56
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Dec 13 2013, 17:51) *

I just try infusions for the 1st time and it felt good, all those annoying high hp giants suddenly melt under my storm strike. From now on, I'm using infusions for all my battles except hourlies.

I can't believe I never tried this before, I mean at 240 credits for 30 minutes of extra 100% dmg, it's a killing, it saves you both time and sanity.



Problem is: it's like cocaine once you start using you don't want to part with it anymore, and when it runs out you go looking all over the WTS for more hardly caring for the prices of it.

You can't overdose it or die from using it, but who knows what will come in a new hv patch...

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post Dec 13 2013, 22:26
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just to clarify, the most useful prefixes for weapons (sans staffs) goes something like:

ethereal>hallowed=demonic>tempestuous>everything else

right? asking because i have a feeling that i'll have to upgrade my club eventually to do those high difficulty marathons without crying
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post Dec 13 2013, 22:28
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QUOTE(something @ Dec 13 2013, 23:26) *

just to clarify, the most useful prefixes for weapons (sans staffs) goes something like:

ethereal>hallowed=demonic>tempestuous>everything else



Hallowed is better than demonic because of the cure bonus, demonic does nothing special.

Some weapons like daggers and some shortswords are light enough for hallowed to be better than ethereal.

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post Dec 13 2013, 22:41
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QUOTE(Oversoul @ Dec 13 2013, 21:39) *

The latter.

I see. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Dec 13 2013, 21:51) *

I just try infusions for the 1st time and it felt good, all those annoying high hp giants suddenly melt under my storm strike. From now on, I'm using infusions for all my battles except hourlies.

I can't believe I never tried this before, I mean at 240 credits for 30 minutes of extra 100% dmg, it's a killing, it saves you both time and sanity.

All battles except Hourlies? You'll become penniless in no time. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

QUOTE(Ayperos @ Dec 13 2013, 21:56) *

Problem is: it's like cocaine once you start using you don't want to part with it anymore, and when it runs out you go looking all over the WTS for more hardly caring for the prices of it.

You can't overdose it or die from using it, but who knows what will come in a new hv patch...

In the Past = 1 Hour per Infusion
At the Present = 15 Minutes per Infusion
So may be in the Future = 1 Minute per Infusion (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

QUOTE(erwtsnert @ Dec 13 2013, 22:28) *

Hallowed is better than demonic because of the cure bonus, demonic does nothing special.

Some weapons like daggers and some shortswords are light enough for hallowed to be better than ethereal.

Hollowed Daggers/Shortswords are better than Ethereal?
I'm interested in learning more of it.
Can you elaborate a little more?

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post Dec 13 2013, 23:16
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QUOTE(kuro009 @ Dec 13 2013, 12:41) *

QUOTE(erwtsnert @ Dec 13 2013, 12:28) *

Hallowed is better than demonic because of the cure bonus, demonic does nothing special.

Some weapons like daggers and some shortswords are LIGHT enough for hallowed to be better than ethereal.

Hollowed Daggers/Shortswords are better than Ethereal?
I'm interested in learning more of it.
Can you elaborate a little more?

+holy strike on eth weapon gets no cure bonus. And for fully IWed wpns, the only other difference he's talking is burden-to-evade hit. If you have eth katana and non-eth waki, the burden hit to your agi (2.8-5.6) is pretty much neglible in favor of choosing desired element.

I have an eth waki, and a min burden waki, both give +62 agi, differential in evade is (-0.9, +.3) ~ 1.2%.

The other benefit of eth is only when it's non-IW-maxed, since elementals don't have native void strike.
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post Dec 13 2013, 23:30
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QUOTE(kuro009 @ Dec 13 2013, 23:41) *

Can you elaborate a little more?


Featherweights, if your weapon has less than 7 int/burden you can just feather it. Daggers, shortswords(?) and wakis all can have below 7.
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post Dec 13 2013, 23:44
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QUOTE(etothex @ Dec 13 2013, 23:16) *

+holy strike on eth weapon gets no cure bonus. And for fully IWed wpns, the only other difference he's talking is burden-to-evade hit. If you have eth katana and non-eth waki, the burden hit to your agi (2.8-5.6) is pretty much neglible in favor of choosing desired element.

I have an eth waki, and a min burden waki, both give +62 agi, differential in evade is (-0.9, +.3) ~ 1.2%.

The other benefit of eth is only when it's non-IW-maxed, since elementals don't have native void strike.

Thought so.

QUOTE(erwtsnert @ Dec 13 2013, 23:30) *

Featherweights, if your weapon has less than 7 int/burden you can just feather it. Daggers, shortswords(?) and wakis all can have below 7.

Just that? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Anyway, does people use Shortswords these days?
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post Dec 13 2013, 23:54
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QUOTE(kuro009 @ Dec 14 2013, 00:44) *

Thought so.
Just that? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Anyway, does people use Shortswords these days?


It's either no burden/int or cure bonus+no burden/int, not to forget non-eth is way cheaper. The void strike/damage can be gotten through IW, there are really no other advantages to ethereal.

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QUOTE(kuro009 @ Dec 13 2013, 22:44) *

Just that? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Anyway, does people use Shortswords these days?



You could also see it as gaining a bit of evd (2-3% for me, which is a LOT) and saving some mana, it's not significant, but helps if you're having difficulty clearing, especially marathons.

And no, shortswords are not viable atm, I salvage those that might have end up being few hundred k worth if they were Rapier/Waki with same stats instead.
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post Dec 14 2013, 00:04
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About that, I think I need to explain better... Is not that I think MD is better than EDB... but, I used the formula of Magic Score to compare the stats of Legendary/Peerless Staffs present in Equipment Ranges and Destruction suffix has better results...

According to the formula used by Magic Score:
Hallowed Katalox of Destruction > Hallowed Katalox of Heimdall > Hallowed Oak of Heimdall

...and the same with any other Staff/Element, i.e.:
Shocking Redwood of Destruction > Shocking Willow of Destruction > Shocking Redwood of Mjolnir
So, to resume out my question: Should I still continue considering Magic Score statistic over anything else? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
Thanks again... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Well you just have to figure out what is best for you; taking into account your other gears also. It's highly unlikely you will find two perfect staffs to compare; one of destruction suffix and the other of elemental prefix+suffix. Almost every staff will have its shortcomings.
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post Dec 14 2013, 00:05
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QUOTE(kuro009 @ Dec 13 2013, 13:44) *

Thought so.
Just that? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Anyway, does people use Shortswords these days?

i woulda said no, never, but then again, the legendary eth is at 1760k in yakamoz's auction (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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post Dec 14 2013, 00:26
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i woulda said no, never, but then again, the legendary eth is at 1760k in yakamoz's auction (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)



Which got me curious too, I have absolutely no idea what people are thinking. If for MH, way too low AD. If for OH, then probably going DW with Rapier in MH, but still too low AD for MH . Wouldn't even want to pay 500k for that.
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post Dec 14 2013, 00:33
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QUOTE(Oversoul @ Dec 14 2013, 06:26) *

Which got me curious too, I have absolutely no idea what people are thinking. If for MH, way too low AD. If for OH, then probably going DW with Rapier in MH, but still too low AD for MH . Wouldn't even want to pay 500k for that.

Because it have close to axe state with extra parry. It would be perfect for low level player (250-) to clear everything on PF using 1H with a good shield. And of course, it require a full set of power armor to make it kill fast.



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QUOTE(erwtsnert @ Dec 13 2013, 23:54) *

It's either no burden/int or cure bonus+no burden/int, not to forget non-eth is way cheaper. The void strike/damage can be gotten through IW, there are really no other advantages to ethereal.

True enough. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(etothex @ Dec 14 2013, 00:05) *

i woulda said no, never, but then again, the legendary eth is at 1760k in yakamoz's auction (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Cause it's Stats are very good. Overall you don't see many Shortswords like that.

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You could also see it as gaining a bit of evd (2-3% for me, which is a LOT) and saving some mana, it's not significant, but helps if you're having difficulty clearing, especially marathons.

May be. But I wouldn't bet too much trust on it for Marathons.

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QUOTE(Colman @ Dec 13 2013, 23:33) *

Because it have close to axe state with extra parry. It would be perfect for low level player (250-) to clear everything on PF using 1H with a good shield. And of course, it require a full set of power armor to make it kill fast.




In terms of axe, Max-5, I honestly have the impression that people are actually paying for its name, Legendary Ethereal. Don't think any low level players can afford this and rapiers are pretty crucial to you guys for marathons.
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