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Jun 17 2013, 23:42
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letmegitdat
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QUOTE(T_Starrk @ Jun 17 2013, 20:47)  For crys I just doing IWBTH arenas and IW you get 5 crystals per drop instead of 2. In IWBTH Grindfest it starts at 5 and goes up one every 50 rounds (at round 50 you get 6 per drop, at round 100 you get 7, 150 you get 8, etc.). Was the best 250 hath I ever spent, lol.
I've been considering crystarium for a while now but I don't know if its worth it for me. I mean I hear stories about "you can break even in two months". but thats coming from guys who can fly through iwtbh/grindfest. so you know, gotta take it with a grain of salt. I mean has anyone done the math on this? like how many crystals/est. rounds to recoup? In my 5 months of playing, I've found roughly 4k of each crystal... granted crystal prices haven't changed drastically, and hath has lost alot of value... maybe it's worth it(easier to break even) now?
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Jun 18 2013, 03:06
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Arxdewn
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QUOTE(letmegitdat @ Jun 17 2013, 14:42)  I've been considering crystarium for a while now but I don't know if its worth it for me. I mean I hear stories about "you can break even in two months". but thats coming from guys who can fly through iwtbh/grindfest. so you know, gotta take it with a grain of salt.
I mean has anyone done the math on this? like how many crystals/est. rounds to recoup? In my 5 months of playing, I've found roughly 4k of each crystal... granted crystal prices haven't changed drastically, and hath has lost alot of value... maybe it's worth it(easier to break even) now?
It takes about 237k crystals to break even by my estimate.
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Jun 18 2013, 03:23
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Yuuki17
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Does the 5x tier bonus from noodle mean 10% chance for tier 3?
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Jun 18 2013, 04:46
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Lement
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letmegitdat: Not sure atm what crystal values are. Primary stats are 10c, because the item shop is simply overflowing with crystals(you'd need sth like 5 million every day to throttle the primaries), elementals were, last I checked, around 6-7c?
However, you can't sell those crystals exactly easily to other players, so you must analyze monster payoff rates, and that's a bit more complex now. I think it is 8-9 months now when coupled with that(as opposed to 3 months before of 1k gf a day)
@Yuuki: Yes.
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Jun 18 2013, 05:39
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ncoll
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hentaivers Thank you for confirming that: QUOTE Finally got access to Silence @40 prof in Deprecating. was looking for that information! (wiki is a little off). By the way, does anyone know the prof requirement for Disintegrate, the wiki has a guess of a 100 but I hope that might be a little high? This post has been edited by ncoll: Jun 18 2013, 05:51
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Jun 18 2013, 11:56
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hentai_fusion
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let's say monster A has:
75% physical mitigation 25% magical mitigation 50% holy mitigation
and i cast imperil which has:
-50% physical mitigation -50% magical mitigation -50% holy mitigation
how much mitigation would monster A have left?
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Jun 18 2013, 12:27
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Dan31
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QUOTE(hentai_fusion @ Jun 18 2013, 11:56)  let's say monster A has:
75% physical mitigation 25% magical mitigation 50% holy mitigation
and i cast imperil which has:
-50% physical mitigation -50% magical mitigation -50% holy mitigation
how much mitigation would monster A have left?
37.5%, 12.5% and 25% respectively, I believe. Edit: Lement says it is actually substractive, oh well. That kinda surprises me. This post has been edited by Dan31: Jun 18 2013, 13:38
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Jun 18 2013, 12:55
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n125
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Dark and Holy Imperil only go up to -30 mitigation, if I recall correctly.
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Jun 18 2013, 13:17
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hentai_fusion
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i am using 50% as an example for the sake of calculation.
so the reduction of mitigation via imperil is multiplicative or subtractive?
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Jun 18 2013, 13:24
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Lement
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I believe subtractive, up to 0. So 25% PMI, 0% MMI, 0% Holy(subtractive because of how much it increased the 400+ mage damage when it was just 25%).
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Jun 18 2013, 13:33
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hentai_fusion
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so physical and magical mitigation is up to 0. will holy mitigation go beyond 0, into the negative range?
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Jun 18 2013, 13:36
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Lement
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No idea. Fire few blasts at schoolgirl with imperil without holy enchantment, then do it with holy enchantment?
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Jun 18 2013, 14:16
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Malenk
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should i take my ethereal melee weapons to level 10? i was thinking of doing so because i've recently started using DW, but i was also thinking that it could be counter productive if i don't get a good element out of it. right now i can use two infusions and have the strike that synergizes with my spikes and also another one that depends on the situation, like holy if i'm against FSM. if i get a bad element i'm kinda screwed on that part.
should i care about this and stop leveling weapons at PL9 or just don't give a damn ant get the elemental strike anyway?
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Jun 18 2013, 14:18
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CZer
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I don't think it's my imagination but has there been a major adjustment to the equipment drop algorithm since .76?
I used to drop exquisite quality fairly regularly and magnificent occasionally but since .76 (what, a month now?) I have had 2 exq and 0 (literally) mag drops. I am now getting average quite a bit which I almost never got before. I have upped LOTD to 20 from 18 with no discernible effect.
I usually play at IWBTH for hourlies and arenas under 50 and battletoads above that. I am not fanatical about spending time on the game but probably play half a dozen hourlies and anywhere from 5-10 arenas per day.
Any advice on getting better drops? I tried switching over to IWBTH Grindfest and was rewarded with 3 Plate and 1 Gossamer (best = Superior) in nearly 100 rounds.
While I am not about to pack it in the prospect of never getting another decent drop is rather discouraging.
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Jun 18 2013, 17:10
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Malenk
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QUOTE(CZer @ Jun 18 2013, 12:18)  I don't think it's my imagination but has there been a major adjustment to the equipment drop algorithm since .76?
I used to drop exquisite quality fairly regularly and magnificent occasionally but since .76 (what, a month now?) I have had 2 exq and 0 (literally) mag drops. I am now getting average quite a bit which I almost never got before. I have upped LOTD to 20 from 18 with no discernible effect.
I usually play at IWBTH for hourlies and arenas under 50 and battletoads above that. I am not fanatical about spending time on the game but probably play half a dozen hourlies and anywhere from 5-10 arenas per day.
Any advice on getting better drops? I tried switching over to IWBTH Grindfest and was rewarded with 3 Plate and 1 Gossamer (best = Superior) in nearly 100 rounds.
While I am not about to pack it in the prospect of never getting another decent drop is rather discouraging.
i don't see a change. actually with this patch scavenger was nerfed to +25% from +100% (talking about maxed scavenger) but the base drop chance was doubled so in theory you should get more drops and so more exquisite+ drops as well. i don't play as much as i did pre patch but i still get exq and mag drops (never got a leg yet, but my LotD is just 16), i did even get two mag t3 drops after the patch. so i think you are just experiencing some bad luck. also the number of rounds you have played is way too small to be significant data.
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Jun 18 2013, 17:47
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weioh
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So I believe a while back there was someone wondering about when spark of life was unlocked, and I just unlocked it at 20 supportive proficiency.
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Jun 18 2013, 20:20
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(CZer @ Jun 18 2013, 19:18)  I don't think it's my imagination but has there been a major adjustment to the equipment drop algorithm since .76?
I used to drop exquisite quality fairly regularly and magnificent occasionally but since .76 (what, a month now?) I have had 2 exq and 0 (literally) mag drops. I am now getting average quite a bit which I almost never got before. I have upped LOTD to 20 from 18 with no discernible effect.
I usually play at IWBTH for hourlies and arenas under 50 and battletoads above that. I am not fanatical about spending time on the game but probably play half a dozen hourlies and anywhere from 5-10 arenas per day.
Any advice on getting better drops? I tried switching over to IWBTH Grindfest and was rewarded with 3 Plate and 1 Gossamer (best = Superior) in nearly 100 rounds.
While I am not about to pack it in the prospect of never getting another decent drop is rather discouraging.
play IWBTH in higher arena (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) i got 1 leg and usual random mag ( 2 ) today & still have 30 rounds - 60 rounds arenas + DwD (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) RE just to get happy pill for me (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) This post has been edited by ahenayau: Jun 18 2013, 21:42
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Jun 18 2013, 21:28
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narcissistic
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QUOTE(weioh @ Jun 18 2013, 17:47)  So I believe a while back there was someone wondering about when spark of life was unlocked, and I just unlocked it at 20 supportive proficiency.
Spark of life unlocks at character level 100.
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Jun 18 2013, 21:36
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hentai_fusion
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some spells need both prof and level to unlock.
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Jun 18 2013, 22:21
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etothex
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so about salvaging. if you put forge some stuff, and salvage it, you get some bindings /mats back, but now lose the forge exp.
what if you have someone else salvage it, or vice versa, have someone else forge it and then salvage it?
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