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Jun 14 2013, 08:55
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schiv
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QUOTE(walkleft @ Jun 14 2013, 11:20)  I am here for moar questions.
When when my lv goes up, the enemy lv goes up, too. Does that mean I have to rely on better equipment and items to win against higher battles? Do arena monsters become relatively weaker and can be beaten in IWBH without spending more effort on items?
I had one more question but I think I forgot.
OH, now I remember.
I am starting to wear power armors, but I think they are too fragile. Am I supposed to spend scrolls or upgrade before I use them?
your equipments' stats will also increase as you level up. And you'll eventually be able to beat them easily when you are at higher level (because of the abilities and the time of the spells) It's better not upgrade any equipments except they are really good. Edit : One more thing. At your level now, try to depend more on spells than just health pot especially supportive (haste, protection, regen, shadow veil). Raise your supportive proficiency so your spells can last longer. This post has been edited by schiv: Jun 14 2013, 08:57
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Jun 14 2013, 09:21
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konata5
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how many Levels/Battles are their for the Item World i went through like 50 to 60 before dying it was not really that good an item just a lowly experiment
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Jun 14 2013, 09:42
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n125
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QUOTE(konata5 @ Jun 14 2013, 00:21)  how many Levels/Battles are their for the Item World i went through like 50 to 60 before dying it was not really that good an item just a lowly experiment
25-200 rounds, depending on the equipment's quality (i.e., Average, Exquisite, Legendary, etc). The number of rounds can be approximated by Number of Rounds = 200 * (equip_quality) ^ 2, where equip_quality can be approximated by equip_quality = (PXP - 100) / 250, where PXP is the amount of PXP required to level the item from Potency Level 0 -> Potency Level 1.
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Jun 14 2013, 15:03
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schiv
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Okay, some questions for people who like doing IW : How are the number of monsters? It keeps increasing like arena?
And how is the difficulty comparison for the rarity of equipments? For example how hard is IWBTH of exquisite compare to other battle?(Like IWBTH of exquisite = BT of other battle)
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Jun 14 2013, 15:14
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Lement
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as a rule, BT of Trio&Tree=hard leg IW.
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Jun 14 2013, 16:53
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Colman
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QUOTE(schiv @ Jun 14 2013, 21:03)  Okay, some questions for people who like doing IW : How are the number of monsters? It keeps increasing like arena?
And how is the difficulty comparison for the rarity of equipments? For example how hard is IWBTH of exquisite compare to other battle?(Like IWBTH of exquisite = BT of other battle)
IW is similar to Grindfest except slightly lower damage (depended on quality of the gear) and fix number of round (up to 200). If you can do the same number of round in GF, you should have no problem in IW.
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Jun 14 2013, 22:05
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hentai_fusion
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a shitty ethereal estoc is worse then a decent non-ethereal non-elemental prefix estoc.
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Jun 15 2013, 01:34
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DarkDespair5
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Especially since you can void shard and infuse them.
This post has been edited by DarkDespair5: Jun 15 2013, 01:35
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Jun 15 2013, 02:48
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konata5
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QUOTE(n125 @ Jun 13 2013, 23:42)  25-200 rounds, depending on the equipment's quality (i.e., Average, Exquisite, Legendary, etc).
The number of rounds can be approximated by Number of Rounds = 200 * (equip_quality) ^ 2, where equip_quality can be approximated by equip_quality = (PXP - 100) / 250, where PXP is the amount of PXP required to level the item from Potency Level 0 -> Potency Level 1.
ok thanks so the basics is kinda like Disgaea's Item world with quality that helps a lot
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Jun 15 2013, 04:04
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blueeyedcolossus
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How should I do the schoolgirls arena as a mage now? There's no way to proc Coalesced Mana without using mana and essentially seems like I'm just bleeding mana while going through each round really really slowly.
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Jun 15 2013, 04:36
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n125
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QUOTE(blueeyedcolossus @ Jun 14 2013, 19:04)  How should I do the schoolgirls arena as a mage now? There's no way to proc Coalesced Mana without using mana and essentially seems like I'm just bleeding mana while going through each round really really slowly.
Lower the difficulty until you can clear them without running out of potions. Alternatively, proc and stack Ether Tap when you can and is safe to do so. Also utilize your Overcharge by enabling Spirit Stance to save MP or by using Focus to gain back MP. If you do these things diligently, then you might not even have to use a potion at all, but the arena will take a little more time.
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Jun 15 2013, 05:11
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blueeyedcolossus
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QUOTE(n125 @ Jun 15 2013, 05:36)  Lower the difficulty until you can clear them without running out of potions.
Alternatively, proc and stack Ether Tap when you can and is safe to do so. Also utilize your Overcharge by enabling Spirit Stance to save MP or by using Focus to gain back MP. If you do these things diligently, then you might not even have to use a potion at all, but the arena will take a little more time.
I don't see how Ether Tap would work: can't really keep that up all the time and it barely pays for tier 1 spells. And this is on the lowest difficulty: all the monsters die instantly anyway except the schoolgirls since I'm an elemental mage. The schoolgirls take forever to kill meaning that whenever I can Ether Tap I will. The problem is that the Ether Tap seems to not even pay for the mana cost of allt he T1 spells it takes to get them. Before I could Magic Missile them until they had Coalesced Mana so I could get Ether Tap up but now every spell costs mana. But Focus is a good idea, thanks, I did not know that!
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Jun 15 2013, 05:34
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n125
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QUOTE(blueeyedcolossus @ Jun 14 2013, 20:11)  I don't see how Ether Tap would work: can't really keep that up all the time and it barely pays for tier 1 spells. And this is on the lowest difficulty: all the monsters die instantly anyway except the schoolgirls since I'm an elemental mage. The schoolgirls take forever to kill meaning that whenever I can Ether Tap I will. The problem is that the Ether Tap seems to not even pay for the mana cost of allt he T1 spells it takes to get them. Before I could Magic Missile them until they had Coalesced Mana so I could get Ether Tap up but now every spell costs mana.
But Focus is a good idea, thanks, I did not know that!
You're casting Imperil on the schoolgirls, right? Also, what kind of equipment are you using? Schoolgirls taking forever on Normal difficulty doesn't sound right to me, but then again, it's difficult for me to relate to lower level experiences since the patch changed everything. Ether Tap can work, but you need a high base MP and a decent Mana Conservation to get enough of a return to keep your MP afloat. That's might be where the problem is. I'm not sure what to suggest for that other than trying to get as much Economizer as you can (which should be a given) and using an Aether Shard or two. The schoolgirl arenas stood out to me as a problem for elemental mages since this patch. They're doable, but I think the bar is higher for elemental mages.
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Jun 15 2013, 06:13
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blueeyedcolossus
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QUOTE(n125 @ Jun 15 2013, 06:34)  You're casting Imperil on the schoolgirls, right? Also, what kind of equipment are you using? Schoolgirls taking forever on Normal difficulty doesn't sound right to me, but then again, it's difficult for me to relate to lower level experiences since the patch changed everything.
Ether Tap can work, but you need a high base MP and a decent Mana Conservation to get enough of a return to keep your MP afloat. That's might be where the problem is. I'm not sure what to suggest for that other than trying to get as much Economizer as you can (which should be a given) and using an Aether Shard or two.
The schoolgirl arenas stood out to me as a problem for elemental mages since this patch. They're doable, but I think the bar is higher for elemental mages.
Well, it takes forever because I deal no damage to them. Konata's pretty much the only killable one. I might as well be meleeing them essentially - and now I can because you taught me about Focus restoring mana. Regen + Silence and I can just melee them to death, it might take longer in turn count but it's a bit quicker as I don't have to juggle different spells. It's perfectly fine now because I don't have to be afraid of not having enough mana later on as doing them essentially gives infinite mana because it takes forever to kill. So you already solved my problem.
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Jun 15 2013, 07:18
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mastaninja
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So i switched to dw light and i have to say, its sooooo much better than heavy 2h, i still need to try light 2h, but im currently sitting at a full set of superior plate of protection for my heavy set all 3 pabs and a set of superior-exq leathers for light all with 3pabs i think, for my weapons im using a fiery scythe of slaughter and for dw, a arctic club of slaughter and a fiery rapier of balance all superior-exq
i also have 50k credits or so left after 2 rounds of packrat and some LOTD
so my question is where should i go from now, drop it all into training?, start buying some decent shade armor (should i get shadowdancer or fleet) or should i buy some ethereal weapons for lowering my interference instead, maybe level them up? i heard at 100 dw gets even better with the aoe skill
im currently farming hell difficulty at 46.4 pmi 32.4 mmi 7.5 evade 27.1 parry 31.3 resist with 59.5 interference and 43.4 burden
Thanks for your help in advance sorry for no pictures, bad internet
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Jun 15 2013, 09:21
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m118w11
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QUOTE(mastaninja @ Jun 15 2013, 07:18)  So i switched to dw light and i have to say, its sooooo much better than heavy 2h, i still need to try light 2h, but im currently sitting at a full set of superior plate of protection for my heavy set all 3 pabs and a set of superior-exq leathers for light all with 3pabs i think, for my weapons im using a fiery scythe of slaughter and for dw, a arctic club of slaughter and a fiery rapier of balance all superior-exq
i also have 50k credits or so left after 2 rounds of packrat and some LOTD
so my question is where should i go from now, drop it all into training?, start buying some decent shade armor (should i get shadowdancer or fleet) or should i buy some ethereal weapons for lowering my interference instead, maybe level them up? i heard at 100 dw gets even better with the aoe skill
im currently farming hell difficulty at 46.4 pmi 32.4 mmi 7.5 evade 27.1 parry 31.3 resist with 59.5 interference and 43.4 burden
Thanks for your help in advance sorry for no pictures, bad internet
Try get your burden as low as possible but don't spend too much on lower level gear (look at around 10K per piece, you don't have to rush things). If you shop around, you should be able to get really good bargains. At the moment, don't look for the multiple PABs as they come with a high premium. The reason why dw is easier than 2h may be because you have low proficiency, At higher levels, you get a much higher chance (80+%) to hit multiple targets which greatly increases your clear speed. I've heard that in the new patch, light armor is viable so I would recommend either choosing pure evasion (fleet, look for evasion first over other stats), or pure damage (shadow dancer, looking for damage first), later on you can get both but at the moment choose one (I would recommend defense over offense as it makes grinding more mindless, but it is up to you).
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Jun 15 2013, 09:43
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kserox
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It still happens huh?
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