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May 4 2013, 09:08
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k1r4y4m4t0
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QUOTE(xmagus @ May 4 2013, 13:03)  Actually, it does. You just have to make the logical conclusions. Logical follow-on: Whatever stats currently NOT available on the equipment, as well as ADB (Butcher) and Atk Speed (Swift Strike) are the only ones that IW can unlock. Logical follow-on: Melee weapons can only have 4 PABs.
So, if you have a melee weapon that has natural 4 PABs, then the only 2 potencies that can be unlocked are Butcher and Swift Strike.
Thank you very much. that is the thing that i want to know. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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May 4 2013, 15:26
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Ser6IjVolk
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I remember way back when, you used to do higher damage with normal attacks at higher overcharge levels. Is this still present? And if yes, would collecting a high overcharge and just keeping it high be an alternative to using skills or spirit stance?
If the answer is no, it only effects the power of skills, then is there a reason to have a gauge over 180? (180 is what you need for using all three skills with spirit stance).
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May 4 2013, 16:25
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Amaduyu Mitsumi
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Your Spirit Stance now depletes overcharge, while giving you x2 melee damage and 25% reduced mana cost to all spells. Also, extra overcharge increases the damage inflicted by your skills. Details: http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Overcharge
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May 4 2013, 16:25
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Nightwishman
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May 4 2013, 17:57
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Apocalypse Horsemen
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How does one go about completing the marathon (100 round) arenas without any upgrades/enchantments/shards on IWBTH for both melee & mages alike?
Are there any strategies behind it?
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May 4 2013, 18:01
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Slobber
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QUOTE(Apocalypse Horsemen @ May 4 2013, 09:57)  How does one go about completing the marathon (100 round) arenas without any upgrades/enchantments/shards on IWBTH for both melee & mages alike?
Are there any strategies behind it?
It's an endurance battle. ie you need to be built to last. Mages ET/Focus like crazy once the schoolgirl is by herself and Melees focus like crazy I think
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May 4 2013, 18:10
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xmagus
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QUOTE(Slobber @ May 5 2013, 02:01)  It's an endurance battle. ie you need to be built to last. Mages ET/Focus like crazy once the schoolgirl is by herself and Melees focus like crazy I think
That, and most melee types use either DW (by far and away the fastest) or 2H (was faster than currently before TenB nerfed Great Cleave). There's a reason it's called a marathon. It's eminently survivable, but prepare to spend hours and hours each. Even if you use all the battle-enhancing stuff it's gonna take that long.
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May 4 2013, 18:12
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Jeanne d'Arc
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QUOTE(Slobber @ May 4 2013, 18:01)  It's an endurance battle. ie you need to be built to last. Mages ET/Focus like crazy once the schoolgirl is by herself and Melees focus like crazy I think
makes you sleepy, all this ET/Focus pew pew (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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May 4 2013, 18:27
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Zero Angel
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QUOTE(ahenayau @ May 5 2013, 00:25)  i'm so jelous with danixxx that can storming IWBTH DwD just around 10-15 minutes (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) He can probably do it in even less time since he says he doesn't need to ET. I myself can do it in like 25-30mins and I don't have max-forged godly gear.
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May 4 2013, 18:37
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(Rei-Tenshi @ May 4 2013, 23:27)  He can probably do it in even less time since he says he doesn't need to ET. I myself can do it in like 25-30mins and I don't have max-forged godly gear.
the fastest i can IWBTH schoolgirl is nearly 1 hour in beyond the clouds (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) DwD maybe need nearly 2 hours (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) ( the highest my IWBTH is eternal darkness ) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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May 4 2013, 18:42
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Apocalypse Horsemen
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QUOTE(Slobber @ May 5 2013, 00:01)  It's an endurance battle. ie you need to be built to last. Mages ET/Focus like crazy once the schoolgirl is by herself and Melees focus like crazy I think
QUOTE(xmagus @ May 5 2013, 00:10)  That, and most melee types use either DW (by far and away the fastest) or 2H (was faster than currently before TenB nerfed Great Cleave).
There's a reason it's called a marathon. It's eminently survivable, but prepare to spend hours and hours each. Even if you use all the battle-enhancing stuff it's gonna take that long.
So basically, one must continuously strive to obtain the best possible base gear (within one's means & also subjected to market availability). :sigh: My main weakness is always running out of potions & I already have my rack pack max.
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May 4 2013, 18:47
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(Apocalypse Horsemen @ May 4 2013, 23:42)  So basically, one must continuously strive to obtain the best possible base gear (within one's means & also subjected to market availability). :sigh:
My main weakness is always running out of potions & I already have my rack pack max.
you will learn how valuable focus when do schoolgirls marathon in high difficulty ( BT & IWBTH ) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) melee need to build OC to kill schoolgirls while mages don't need OC , just imperil (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) that make huge difference in time killing (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) This post has been edited by ahenayau: May 4 2013, 18:48
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May 4 2013, 19:25
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Apocalypse Horsemen
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QUOTE(ahenayau @ May 5 2013, 00:47)  you will learn how valuable focus when do schoolgirls marathon in high difficulty ( BT & IWBTH ) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) melee need to build OC to kill schoolgirls while mages don't need OC , just imperil (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) that make huge difference in time killing (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) I'm practising using Focus already, but on a lower difficulty atm. btw, would using an aether shard on a xxx staff of focus still give the additional 10% mc?
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May 4 2013, 19:56
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Malenk
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QUOTE(Apocalypse Horsemen @ May 4 2013, 17:25)  I'm practising using Focus already, but on a lower difficulty atm. btw, would using an aether shard on a xxx staff of focus still give the additional 10% mc?
well... i wouldn't use focus suffix to get mana conservation, that's what economizer is for. but yes, you get extra MC using an aether shard on top of that, but the MC stacks multiplicatively, not additively. so if you have a 25MC staff the 10% from an aether shard is applied to thealready reduced mana cost, making it an effective 32.5% reduction to the total mana cost. This post has been edited by Malenk: May 4 2013, 19:59
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May 4 2013, 20:10
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Apocalypse Horsemen
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QUOTE(Malenk @ May 5 2013, 01:56)  well... i wouldn't use focus suffix to get mana conservation, that's what economizer is for. but yes, you get extra MC using an aether shard on top of that, but the MC stacks multiplicatively, not additively. so if you have a 25MC staff the 10% from an aether shard is applied to thealready reduced mana cost, making it an effective 32.5% reduction to the total mana cost.
Sadly, I haven't much luck in trying to get the full economizer for my staffs, & have had to rely on focus staffs to keep going / go deeper in the long arenas / IWs.
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May 4 2013, 20:59
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Malenk
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QUOTE(Apocalypse Horsemen @ May 4 2013, 18:10)  Sadly, I haven't much luck in trying to get the full economizer for my staffs, & have had to rely on focus staffs to keep going / go deeper in the long arenas / IWs.
i had to reset this staff something like 10 times before i succeeded at getting economizer at level 1. luckily i've managed to get economizer 4 by level 4 and after a scary endurance 1 at level 5 i've got the final point into economizer at level 6. it was a pain in the ass but it was worth it.
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May 4 2013, 21:08
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(Apocalypse Horsemen @ May 5 2013, 00:25)  I'm practising using Focus already, but on a lower difficulty atm. btw, would using an aether shard on a xxx staff of focus still give the additional 10% mc?
are you melee or mages ? if mages , i think it's better to use ET to gain mana (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) just wondering , how much credit drop from IWBTH DwD ?? IWBTH eternal darkness net me around 30k (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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May 4 2013, 21:12
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Slobber
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When you mage you do both because you need to attack to proc ET (gathers OC for the mage). But since the Mage is glassy as hell, they also need to Soul Reap like a mad man whereas the Melee should be covered (carry more spirit potions since they shouldn't have many mana problems)
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May 4 2013, 21:18
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(Slobber @ May 5 2013, 02:12)  When you mage you do both because you need to attack to proc ET (gathers OC for the mage). But since the Mage is glassy as hell, they also need to Soul Reap like a mad man whereas the Melee should be covered (carry more spirit potions since they shouldn't have many mana problems)
i don't use any spirit potion in IWBTH eternal darkness ( sometimes use one pot ) but burn alot of my mana pot even using focus per 2-3 rounds (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) maybe i need to upgrade my IA (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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