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Now show them PA+spirit stance to show why estoc is king (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) .

38 4 Void Strike hits Sakurai Kei for 6603 void damage.
38 3 Holy Strike hits Sakurai Kei for 3375 holy damage.
38 1 You hit Sakurai Kei for 13940 void damage.

Yup, Estoc is king.

This post has been edited by aurabolt: Apr 18 2013, 01:23

Estoc is king.

Find me a cheap estoc that's better than my current setup and then I'll switch.

Maybe estoc is king when you can afford it, but what would be king when you can't? That is the question that I'd like to know. Currently DW goes well enough and I'll stick with that until I can grind up enough for a estoc.

Find me a cheap estoc that's better than my current setup and then I'll switch.

Maybe estoc is king when you can afford it, but what would be king when you can't? That is the question that I'd like to know. Currently DW goes well enough and I'll stick with that until I can grind up enough for a estoc.

Don't worry, rapier is the estoc of one-handed weapons. You just don't get domino strike. And you don't have to pick the most powerful and easiest weapons out there. If you put enough effort into your build you can make it work (unless it's something really fucking weird like the gossamer of the priestess melee style that one guy did, lol). Shit, I do shade/dw at level 343 and I love it, you don't have to be a power whore (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) .

This post has been edited by T_Starrk: Apr 15 2013, 00:31

I just want to get to a point where I can do IWBTH without running out of mana pots on the 20th round.

Apparently heavy DW doesn't do well on mana consumption.

depends on your gear but heavy in general doesn't do that well on mana consumption. that's supposed to be one of their drawbacks.

Yep. Makes me want to invest in IA to reduce that somewhat. Maybe it'll make harder difficulties more manageable.

Is it true that divine prof increases cure's heal amount? does it affect regen as well?

Is it true that divine prof increases cure's heal amount? does it affect regen as well?

No, Divine prof doesn't affect cure and regen, Holy EDB does affect on amount of cure spell.

This post has been edited by purng: Apr 15 2013, 02:07

Don't worry, rapier is the estoc of one-handed weapons. You just don't get domino strike. And you don't have to pick the most powerful and easiest weapons out there. If you put enough effort into your build you can make it work (unless it's something really fucking weird like the gossamer of the priestess melee style that one guy did, lol). Shit, I do shade/dw at level 343 and I love it, you don't have to be a power whore (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) .

That fighting style isn't too bad. I have use it to grind my cloth proficiency from 100 to 300. Although its defend is shit, Regen2 can heal 1/5 of my HP and I have infinite MP to cast heal.

So...tell me again why Estoc is so much better then Mace?


144 9 You gain 1051 Credits!
144 8 You gain 49818 EXP!
144 7 Arena Token Bonus! [Token of Blood]
144 6 Arena Clear Bonus! [Fine Shortsword of Slaughter]
144 5 Flying Spaghetti Monster dropped [Noodly Appendage]
144 4 You are Victorious!
144 3 Regen II restores 523 points of health.
144 2 Flying Spaghetti Monster has been defeated.
144 1 You crit Flying Spaghetti Monster for 11066 void damage.

With an Etheral Estoc...it took ..30 less turns to kill FSM then a Mace....

seems like Estoc just isn't worth it? Oh, and that is with Heartseeker always active...

So...tell me again why Estoc is so much better then Mace?
144 9 You gain 1051 Credits!
144 8 You gain 49818 EXP!
144 7 Arena Token Bonus! [Token of Blood]
144 6 Arena Clear Bonus! [Fine Shortsword of Slaughter]
144 5 Flying Spaghetti Monster dropped [Noodly Appendage]
144 4 You are Victorious!
144 3 Regen II restores 523 points of health.
144 2 Flying Spaghetti Monster has been defeated.
144 1 You crit Flying Spaghetti Monster for 11066 void damage.

With an Etheral Estoc...it took ..30 less turns to kill FSM then a Mace....

seems like Estoc just isn't worth it? Oh, and that is with Heartseeker always active...

I don't know what others said but you're doing it wrong.

If you're melee, you want to DW FSM because DW has massive single target damage while 2H does great against big groups.

Mace takes longer to kill monsters but in turn it provides more survivability by stunning them while estoc does more damage thus ending a round faster. So, it all depends on what you can do but most people want to finish rounds as quickly as possible.

With an Etheral Estoc...it took ..30 less turns to kill FSM then a Mace....

seems like Estoc just isn't worth it? Oh, and that is with Heartseeker always active...

You're still killing FSM on normal? I find it more profitable to kill it on IWBTH. I've gotten 3 exquisite, and a magnificent from the arena drops and never anything below superior.

Oh well, to each his own.

And I'm not sure estoc and mace would have a big difference on FSM considering they're more suited for groups.

Edit: What SPoison said.

This post has been edited by calibur: Apr 15 2013, 05:01

You're still killing FSM on normal? I find it more profitable to kill it on IWBTH. I've gotten 3 exquisite, and a magnificent from the arena drops and never anything below superior.

Oh well, to each his own.

And I'm not sure estoc and mace would have a big difference on FSM considering they're more suited for groups.

Edit: What SPoison said.

My DW prof is shit, and I have no plan to change that right now.

Can someone do a quick confirm on the PMI formula for monsters:

Assuming a max stat monster (FSM) at level 300.
Scaled stats = .1 * 25 * 300 + (300^1.1 - 10) * .293 = 902
PMI = 1 - (1200 / (1200 + 902 + 902/2)) = 53%
If it was fully chaos buffed, PMI = 1 - (1 - .53) * (1 - .2) = 62%
if it was a fully chaosed 22 stat monster, PMI = 60%

This means that the first application of PA increases damage by 50%, the second by 33%, and the third by 25%.
Some quick math using averages shows that if it takes about 5 or 6 hits to kill a monster, PA will have increased the damage done by almost exactly 33%.

30 fewer turns against FSM with estoc doesn't really mean much without also describing your estoc and mace strategies.

So...tell me again why Estoc is so much better then Mace?
144 9 You gain 1051 Credits!
144 8 You gain 49818 EXP!
144 7 Arena Token Bonus! [Token of Blood]
144 6 Arena Clear Bonus! [Fine Shortsword of Slaughter]
144 5 Flying Spaghetti Monster dropped [Noodly Appendage]
144 4 You are Victorious!
144 3 Regen II restores 523 points of health.
144 2 Flying Spaghetti Monster has been defeated.
144 1 You crit Flying Spaghetti Monster for 11066 void damage.

With an Etheral Estoc...it took ..30 less turns to kill FSM then a Mace....

seems like Estoc just isn't worth it? Oh, and that is with Heartseeker always active...

change your difficulty to IWBTH or at least BT than post your comment (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

And Penetrated Armor more than quadruples triples it.

Nope, not at lower levels.

In order to get triple damage from PA, yonder mob's PMI has to be ~67%. And then you need to make sure your rapier* has got decent ADB, STR, proc % and duration... I'd rather not spend so much time, effort and money on it, quite frankly.

*because we're not referring to 2H/Niten here, obviously

You're supposed to use a Rapier with One-Handed and Dual Wielding. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Why? There are all these other weapons out there. TenB wants people to give them all a try, surely.

Maybe I *should*, but *supposed to* is a bit strong...

You just missed your chance to come back with, "But what about for people who don't use a Rapier for One-Handed/Dual Wielding." Same thing you said—who, in the right mind, isn't going to use a Rapier?

Not at all the same thing. I haven't heard of too many people using Niten - whether this is because they're in their right mind or not was not the focus of my question.

For one, I use a Club. Yes, it's slow, but damn! I'm close to invincible if I play right.

@Arxdewn: Ceteris paribus, PMI reduces damage up to % of PMI you have. Therefore, the total damage getting through to the monster (assuming Void, therefore PMI is the only thing getting in your way) is (dmg)*1-PMI.

If I'm facing a monster with ~67% PMI, then the % of damage I'm doing is 100-PMI=32%. If I fully stacked PA, the total % of damage I'm doing is 100-0=100%, which is ~3x the damage I was doing without PA.

If the monster had 80% PMI, I would do 5x the damage I was doing without PA.

So doing your calculations is a bit tricky, because it depends on how fast I can proc a fully stacked PA, and how much PMI the mob I was facing had.

Which is why aurabolt is advocating the use of skills to proc PA at the beginning of the round. But given that skill procs activate prior to damage calculations, I would still advocate the use of SS to use a PA-proc Skill.

30 fewer turns against FSM with estoc doesn't really mean much without also describing your estoc and mace strategies.

cast hasten, cast regen II, cast heartseeker, cast silence.

recast regen/haste and silence as needed.

wail away. Activate spirit stance at 200%; wail away. repeat.

Nope, not at lower levels.

He's 188—high enough to steamroll through Battletoads. What's your definition of low?

For one, I use a Club. Yes, it's slow, but damn! I'm close to invincible if I play right.

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You Autumn 2012 guys, barring fishinsea, still look like Level 100 to me. (You guys leveled up too fast, without learning anything, no thanks to recent patches.)

This post has been edited by aurabolt: Apr 18 2013, 02:08

He's 188—he should be steamrolling his highest Arena challenge on Battletoads at that level. What's your definition of low?

Steamroll battletoads? Sure, after I get passed Nintendo..