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post Apr 11 2013, 04:21
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QUOTE(Nightwishman @ Apr 10 2013, 19:18) *

Does Pierce Armor increase the amount of damage an Ethereal Estoc will already do to monsters? Or does the Void damage already deal the max?


Yes it does.

Void bypasses specific mitigation; i.e., slashing, crushing, and piercing resistance. Penetrated Armor reduces physical mitigation.
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post Apr 11 2013, 04:35
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QUOTE(n125 @ Apr 11 2013, 04:21) *

Yes it does.

Void bypasses specific mitigation; i.e., slashing, crushing, and piercing resistance. Penetrated Armor reduces physical mitigation.

Ok, thanks.

I always thought Slashing/Crushing/Piercing were just sub-catagories of physical damage,..errr...something.
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post Apr 11 2013, 04:42
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QUOTE(Nightwishman @ Apr 11 2013, 12:35) *

Ok, thanks.

I always thought Slashing/Crushing/Piercing were just sub-catagories of physical damage,..errr...something.

They are sub-categories of physical resistance - you can't deal magical damage that is slashing/crushing/piercing (except for Magic Missile and Arcane Blow, but those're almost physical attacks anyway).

It's just that Void damage bypasses them and not PMI. To bypass (some) PMI, you need either Imperil or PA. And neither Imperil nor PA bypass the specific physical mitigations (although Imperil will bypass elemental mitigations).
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post Apr 11 2013, 04:48
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Using the word "bypass" to describe Void is wrong, I think. I think Void is a damage type just like any other, but it's unique in that nothing has any resistance against it or weakness to it.

I couldn't be assed to fix my first post.
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post Apr 11 2013, 05:09
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QUOTE(n125 @ Apr 11 2013, 12:48) *

Using the word "bypass" to describe Void is wrong, I think. I think Void is a damage type just like any other, but it's unique in that nothing has any resistance against it or weakness to it.

I couldn't be assed to fix my first post.

That's a matter of perspective. Since Void will never have a mitigation value to it (either +ve or -ve), you could argue it either way.

In terms of coding, you're most likely correct. It's an enumerated damage type that both players and monsters have 0 mitigation towards.

In terms of *effect*, though, it can be said to 'bypass' specific mitigations the same way that the sun can be said to 'rise' and 'set'.
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post Apr 11 2013, 06:35
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Is it possible to get an estimate of the value of this staff?

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=0ebb62cd54

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post Apr 11 2013, 06:48
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QUOTE(xmagus @ Apr 10 2013, 20:09) *

That's a matter of perspective. Since Void will never have a mitigation value to it (either +ve or -ve), you could argue it either way.

In terms of coding, you're most likely correct. It's an enumerated damage type that both players and monsters have 0 mitigation towards.

In terms of *effect*, though, it can be said to 'bypass' specific mitigations the same way that the sun can be said to 'rise' and 'set'.


Using your explanation, Slashing type damage bypasses crushing and piercing mitigation. Keep that up and everyones gona be confused.
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post Apr 11 2013, 07:17
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Using your explanation, Slashing type damage bypasses crushing and piercing mitigation. Keep that up and everyones gona be confused.

Which it does; we have people being advised to either get an Ethereal Mace or switch to some other kind of weapon because of all the mobs with high crushing mitigation. Which is exactly the same as saying that a Slashing (or Piercing) weapon bypasses crushing mitigation. It just so happens that most people don't use that phrasing. Your point?

And I can't help people getting confused. We all get confused, sometimes over the most trivially obvious things as well; if you don't believe me, just saunter through this thread.

Language, especially the English language, is used colloquially and very frequently imprecisely. We''re not all lawyers. Deal with it - I'm annoyed by it too, but it happens.
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post Apr 11 2013, 08:09
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ok i have 3 questions:

1.- soon im gonna get a black or white aura (im a melee warrior 2HD so suggest me which one i must get), but i want to know if the effect of the aura is the same as the stamina over 80?

2.- is the same power as the damage refered in the stamina over 80 (in the descrition it says 25% more damage, in the stamina over 80, but the aura says 25% mre power... is the same?)

3.- the aura add +3 in 3 diferent stats, but it does only once or per level?

Answer me asap please (as i dont come here often, PM me please... i give anyone to answer this 3 question, 100% sure of the info, something nice). (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Apr 11 2013, 12:34
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QUOTE(piyin @ Apr 11 2013, 14:09) *
ok i have 3 questions:

1.- soon im gonna get a black or white aura (im a melee warrior 2HD so suggest me which one i must get), but i want to know if the effect of the aura is the same as the stamina over 80?

2.- is the same power as the damage refered in the stamina over 80 (in the descrition it says 25% more damage, in the stamina over 80, but the aura says 25% mre power... is the same?)

3.- the aura add +3 in 3 diferent stats, but it does only once or per level?

Answer me asap please (as i dont come here often, PM me please... i give anyone to answer this 3 question, 100% sure of the info, something nice). (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

1) no, it add to the total aura exp bonus.
i.e.: exp = base exp * (1+ability bonus + post bonus) * (1+ aura bonus) * (1 + stamina bonus)

2) no
Aura increase mod power in gallery, not HV.

3) once only
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post Apr 11 2013, 14:09
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The black and white aura's most significant effect,when it comes to HV, is that they act like a level 5 juggernaut and capacitor. Though some would argue about that.

Some get maxed trainings before the auras (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif). Rainbow is where it's at.
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post Apr 11 2013, 14:37
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i hate this game...
after so many resets i finally manage to get economizer at level 1 on this staff:
Exquisite Ethereal Katalox Staff of Heimdall
level 2 -> economizer
level 3 -> economizer
level 4 -> economizer

i'm so happy, i'm starting to believe in god again...

level 5 -> endurance

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i still have 4 more chances but it sucks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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post Apr 11 2013, 14:38
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Random number god is fickle.

I think about half the cases where it gets econ3 on level 3 it gets 5 by level 5?

Well, END for mages isn't exactly horrendous.

But I believe this kind of thing belongs in ponyverse chat.

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post Apr 11 2013, 14:43
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QUOTE(Lement @ Apr 11 2013, 12:38) *

Random number god is fickle.

I think about half the cases where it gets econ3 on level 3 it gets 5 by level 5?

Well, END for mages isn't exactly horrendous.


i have nothing against end.
end is more health and more mitigation.
i would have liked archmage more but to tell the truth i just want level 5 economizer on this staff.
i'm not going to reforge it again even if i don't manage to get it now that i reached level 4, let's just hope i get the 5th one in the next 4 levels (at this point i think i will IW it all the way and get the elemental strike too).
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post Apr 11 2013, 15:05
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QUOTE(Malenk @ Apr 11 2013, 20:43) *
i have nothing against end.
end is more health and more mitigation.
i would have liked archmage more but to tell the truth i just want level 5 economizer on this staff.
i'm not going to reforge it again even if i don't manage to get it now that i reached level 4, let's just hope i get the 5th one in the next 4 levels (at this point i think i will IW it all the way and get the elemental strike too).

That's what i hoped as well. In the end, mine only stop at lv4 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) .

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post Apr 11 2013, 15:56
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how much would cost a legendary heaven sent piece of clothing with good rolls?
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post Apr 11 2013, 16:01
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For pricing questions use search function.
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post Apr 11 2013, 16:58
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thanks god (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Unlocked innate potential: Economizer Level 5
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post Apr 11 2013, 17:09
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QUOTE(Nightwishman @ Apr 11 2013, 06:35) *

Is it possible to get an estimate of the value of this staff?

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=0ebb62cd54



I went and compared it to base stats and I think it is a pretty good staff; though not the best..I hope its worth something:

It has almost max Mag damage (missing out by less then 1 point,) over known max magic accuracy by 3 points and decent critical with the desired 20-25% conservation and a bit more then 1 point less than max counter-reist, and a very low burden.
It has decent supporting prof; but high divine and elemental prof. And has decent INT and high WIS.
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post Apr 11 2013, 17:36
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Just managed to clear A Rolling Stone on IWBTH barely. Cost me 6 godly mana and 2 godly health. Feels like I am burning through mana unusually fast now.
Should I be running all mana pots with a spirit or two? Godly healing were good at low levels but now it just feels like they are a cure 1.5 + regen 1 with a 50 turn timer potion and 2/3 of my total mana seems like a better choice.
It could also just be that I somehow managed to get no gem drops the entire run.
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