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post Apr 4 2013, 05:25
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QUOTE(kakashi524 @ Apr 3 2013, 19:04) *

OC. OC. OC. Oh, my! I totally forgot about those ability points. D: I have none spent in OC Boost.

Btw, which spells should I use?

EDIT: Resets tree.
EDIT: How many ability points should I spend in Overcharge boost?


Umm... well, as many as you can spare really. The more OC the better. You'll want it maxed at 280 eventually. Main strategy for estoc is building up your OC all the way then activating spirit stance and hacking away. This is the fastest way to kill really.

Melee spells? Heartseeker definitely, spirit shield, weaken is a good deprecating spell for two-hand. The other important ones I assume you already have since they apply to mage and melee (spark of life, regen II, protection, shadow veil, haste). Those are the main buffs that will help with melee.

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post Apr 4 2013, 05:29
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QUOTE(T_Starrk @ Apr 3 2013, 21:25) *

Umm... well, as many as you can spare really. The more OC the better. You'll want it maxed at 280 eventually.

Melee spells? Heartseeker definitely, spirit shield, weaken is a good deprecating spell for two-hand. The other important ones I assume you already have since they apply to mage and melee (spark of life, regen II, protection, shadow veil, haste). Those are the main buffs that will help with melee.

I do have those, and OC I got it somewhere near 200. I guess all I need now is the gear and the proficiency. Thanks for all the advice (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

EDIT: LOL; that was fun. Full overcharge + Great Cleave + SPIRIT.

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post Apr 4 2013, 05:43
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Is it a good weapon for drak mage?
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post Apr 4 2013, 05:56
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QUOTE(Colman @ Apr 3 2013, 21:43) *

Is it a good weapon for drak mage?

Looks decent enough.
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post Apr 4 2013, 05:56
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You want to summon draks ?

The magic damages seems low, a bit.
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post Apr 4 2013, 10:41
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What are some good ways to get DW and two-handed proficiencies up? It's tempting to just go Niten since it has an AOE attack but I want to get the proficiencies to get the best out of it first. Currently using this to level it

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=df994fa90a

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post Apr 4 2013, 10:55
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QUOTE(LeFlame-Befoe @ Apr 4 2013, 03:41) *

What are some good ways to get DW and two-handed proficiencies up? It's tempting to just go Niten since it has an AOE attack but I want to get the proficiencies to get the best out of it first. Currently using this to level it

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=df994fa90a

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/HentaiVerse_Advice#...g_Proficiencies
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post Apr 4 2013, 11:08
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QUOTE(the REAL tazmanian @ Apr 4 2013, 04:55) *

I read it a couple of days ago. I suppose I'm still wondering: Does difficulty affect the amount of proficiency gained or is it only for the higher monster HP, thus more usage of the weapon? I've been doing IW on Nightmare and Hell with my longsword at a rate of 1 point per clear. Is that the normal amount?
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post Apr 4 2013, 11:14
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QUOTE(LeFlame-Befoe @ Apr 4 2013, 19:08) *

I read it a couple of days ago. I suppose I'm still wondering: Does difficulty affect the amount of proficiency gained or is it only for the higher monster HP, thus more usage of the weapon? I've been doing IW on Nightmare and Hell with my longsword at a rate of 1 point per clear. Is that the normal amount?

Difficulty does not affect prof gain rate. It's just the increase in monster HP.

1 point of prof ain't half bad. If you did it on IWBTH, it would be even higher. And unless you really want to clear the IW, you can always just flee after nearly killing the last mob on Round 1.
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post Apr 4 2013, 11:27
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QUOTE(xmagus @ Apr 4 2013, 05:14) *

Difficulty does not affect prof gain rate. It's just the increase in monster HP.

1 point of prof ain't half bad. If you did it on IWBTH, it would be even higher. And unless you really want to clear the IW, you can always just flee after nearly killing the last mob on Round 1.

Alright. I'm doing lower difficulties since the most I can do in IWBTH atm is 3-4 rounds, and I'm curious how this crude weapon will turn out, or maybe I'm just wasting my time doing this. Like polishing a turd.

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=0830e9f23b

And one more question. What's a mob? When you say "flee after nearly killing the last mob on Round 1" it seems like one monster is a mob.
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post Apr 4 2013, 12:11
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QUOTE(LeFlame-Befoe @ Apr 4 2013, 19:27) *

Alright. I'm doing lower difficulties since the most I can do in IWBTH atm is 3-4 rounds, and I'm curious how this crude weapon will turn out, or maybe I'm just wasting my time doing this. Like polishing a turd.

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=0830e9f23b

And one more question. What's a mob? When you say "flee after nearly killing the last mob on Round 1" it seems like one monster is a mob.

You can't make it much better than it is right now with IW, no. I'm actually surprised a Crude has PABs, but well, obsolete equips.

You can polish a turd; Mythbusters proved that. But in this case, that Burden is ridiculous.

And yes, a mob is a monster. I suspect it has to do with the fact that you can shorten 'monster' to 'mon', and the 'B' key is right next to the 'N' key, but that's strictly a guess on my part.
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post Apr 4 2013, 12:59
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QUOTE(xmagus @ Apr 4 2013, 06:11) *
yea

Thanks for the help. Meanwhile I'm trying to figure out whether I should sell some things to the bazaar or not, and whether to rely on this HV Shop System script now that its creator left it for a couple of months now.

Are these even close to what their real prices would be?

Fine Mace of the Vampire (Weapon - Two-handed Weapon) Price: 256
Fair Cotton Robe of the Wind-waker (Body - Cloth Armor) Price: 40
Fine Leather Boots of the Wind-waker (Feet - Light Armor) Price: 143

Fine Club of Balance (Weapon - One-handed Weapon) Price: 1255
Fine Longsword of Slaughter (Weapon - Two-handed Weapon) Price: 2320
Superior Longsword of Slaughter (Weapon - Two-handed Weapon) Price: 2720
Superior Redwood Staff of Focus (Weapon - Staff) Price: 2090
Average Gossamer Robe of the Elementalist (Body - Cloth Armor) Price: 3450

I still don't know how things are priced in here. From what I've seen in the shops and looking specifically at items that sold, those with 10+ points on 3-4 PABs tend to be what people are looking for, and burden and interference at a max of 10-18 each as an ideal, if any, notwithstanding ethereals. And then priced at a minimum of 5k if they have these.

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post Apr 4 2013, 14:34
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HVShop system pricing is based on bazaar price.

It is not a good way to price things at all. This is because quality only correlates with how much sth is worth to players, whereas things like gossamer of curse-weaver and heaven-sent are priced equally in the shop.

Another thing, don't forget: just because something might sell in shop for a bit it doesn't mean it is worth the time over bazaar price to do so. What sells well are Fenrir/heimdall phase with high EDB/INT/WIS in that order(even fairs with those will sell despite their awful shop price), lot of prefixed stuff(which again has no impact on shop pricing), popular things with high rolls in what make them work in general.

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post Apr 4 2013, 20:18
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QUOTE(Lement @ Apr 4 2013, 06:34) *

HVShop system pricing is based on bazaar price.

It is not a good way to price things at all. This is because quality only correlates with how much sth is worth to players, whereas things like gossamer of curse-weaver and heaven-sent are priced equally in the shop.

Another thing, don't forget: just because something might sell in shop for a bit it doesn't mean it is worth the time over bazaar price to do so. What sells well are Fenrir/heimdall phase with high EDB/INT/WIS in that order(even fairs with those will sell despite their awful shop price), lot of prefixed stuff(which again has no impact on shop pricing), popular things with high rolls in what make them work in general.


Basically, there is no correlation at all between bazaar sell price and actual value.
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post Apr 4 2013, 20:22
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QUOTE(Colman @ Apr 3 2013, 21:43) *

Is it a good weapon for drak mage?


it's good
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post Apr 4 2013, 20:30
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@mrttao: False. Bazaar price depends solely on items' quality and tier. These factors are more often than not what make for expensive things to players as well - plate may be popular but the rest of t1 is not.
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post Apr 4 2013, 23:01
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current weapon

Exquisite Shocking Ebony Staff of Mjolnir

got these two from noodle appendage

Superior Ethereal Katalox Staff of Fenrir

Legendary Tempestuous Willow Staff of Destruction

should I change it or just worth for salvage?
if I keep the legendary, what use is good for it?

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post Apr 4 2013, 23:23
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Id personaly take the legendary...but I have no clue if it is better then what you have, or not.


Anyway,

At what level should I switch to Estoc (as a Heavy Plate) and is Mace viable at high levels anyway?
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post Apr 4 2013, 23:41
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QUOTE(LeFlame-Befoe @ Apr 4 2013, 06:59) *

I still don't know how things are priced in here. From what I've seen in the shops and looking specifically at items that sold, those with 10+ points on 3-4 PABs tend to be what people are looking for, and burden and interference at a max of 10-18 each as an ideal, if any, notwithstanding ethereals. And then priced at a minimum of 5k if they have these.


Pricing gear is not a science...it's entirely about what people will buy or sell at. That being said, here's a previous post in this forum that will give you a quick rundown of what people consider valuable equipment. There will always be exceptions, but it's pretty accurate for all levels.

QUOTE(PK678353 @ Jan 30 2013, 02:01) *

There is no fast standard.

You can quickly tell what isn't worth much, but determining what is requires knowledge of the metagame.

That said, I can give some pointers. . .

1H Weapons
Ethereal Clubs of Slaughter and Ethereal Rapiers of Balance are most valued, with Eth Axes of Slaughter and Eth Rapiers of Slaughter close behind. Hallowed or Demonic is valuable too, with the other prefixes less so.

2H:
Ethereal whatever of Slaughter, except Longswords, are valuable. Battlecaster and Illithid live off in a side niche, less popular but still valuable to some. Ex+ Ethereal Estoc of Slaughter is still the holy grail here. More than anywhere else, Ethereal is very valued in 2H weapons.

Staves:
Katalox is good, particularly Destruction (though good examples of any can be valuable). Redwood, Oak and Willow just changed dramatically, so most of the old knowledge on them is dead (they used to be almost universally shit). Redwood is the new Ebony, so good specific Element and Elementalist can be good, not sure about Redwood Destruction. Oak and Willow depend on how the market values Counter Resist.

Cloth:
Gossamer of Elementalist, Heaven Sent and Demon Fiend are worth a bit (not much unless it's good), and Phase is worth a bit (elemental not much unless it's good, heimdall and fenrir worth a LOT if it's good).

Light
Kevlar and Shade are separate markets. Kevlar of Protection is most valuable, Shade wants to be Fleet or Shadowdancer (Arcanist is niche).

Heavy:
Plate of Protection, Shield of Barrier or Protection, Power of Slaughter, Balance or Protection is valued.

The most valuable stuff by far is Ethereal Estocs of Slaughter, Power of Slaughter, Phase of Heimdall/Fenrir, Shadowdancer Shade, and Katalox of Destruction. But again, all of these can be worth shit if the rolls are bad, but they're also the area where good Superiors can crest 100k. Almost anything Fine or below is going to be worthless, the exception is some Ethereal weapons, Slaughter Power and Phase (where EDB and PABs are mostly divorced from quality until you hit Ex+).



Also. Check out the link to the HV wiki page showing the equipment ranges in my signature...it will give you the minimum and maximum values for all known stats for all equipment, which will allow you to do a little research to find out how good your gear really is or not. Unfortunately, it is a lot more complicated then what you suggested above...but with a little effort, you'll figure out what you need. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Apr 5 2013, 00:03
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QUOTE(xanagu @ Apr 4 2013, 14:01) *

From just eyeballing it, your Ebony is better than your Katalox, and that Willow is far better than your Ebony.

But if you're going to use that Willow, you'll have to change your main spell from Elec to Wind. (Elec to Dark should be just as good too, but that staff's technically better for Wind from what I can see.)

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