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post Apr 3 2013, 21:48
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Could someone explain to me how Amnesia Shards work?

I have a staff I've been trying to lvl atm it's lvl4, but so far I have gotten is Endurance x4. I was thinking on using amnesia shards to try again but I was wondering if I can remove only 1 lvl or must it be the 4 in one go?
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post Apr 3 2013, 22:00
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QUOTE(kakashi524 @ Apr 3 2013, 12:48) *

Could someone explain to me how Amnesia Shards work?

I have a staff I've been trying to lvl atm it's lvl4, but so far I have gotten is Endurance x4. I was thinking on using amnesia shards to try again but I was wondering if I can remove only 1 lvl or must it be the 4 in one go?


It has to be all levels in one go.
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post Apr 3 2013, 22:09
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QUOTE(n125 @ Apr 3 2013, 14:00) *

It has to be all levels in one go.

D: *cries* Better do it now. It doesn't look like I'll be getting anything other than END.

Thanks.

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post Apr 3 2013, 22:50
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Oh I use a rapier. It's the only weapon besides estoc which gives melee decent kill speed once monster PMI gets to a certain level. I was talking about the choice of suffixes. Basically if you can get your evade to a certain level you will already have plenty of defense for all of the arenas on IWBTH. At that point it's better to go with something that will make you kill faster. Balance will make you proc PA faster and more often. When attacking enemy after enemy one-by-one over the course of 100 rounds or so this speeds shit up greatly. This is what I use:
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=d2f06c231c

It's not leveled yet cause I'm lazy, lol. Max forge at my level will give me 86-87% off-hand strike with this. Basically extra damage and chance for PA proc on almost every hit. Also has max turns which is nice plus 4 PABs which guarantees all butcher/swift strike. I am still waiting for my legendary though...

With shade and heartseeker what's the point in having offhand strike if you get 2 hits automatically with every crit + both weapon procs?

This is IIRC.
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post Apr 3 2013, 23:09
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With shade and heartseeker what's the point in having offhand strike if you get 2 hits automatically with every crit + both weapon procs?

This is IIRC.


Crit only guarantees proc, not off-hand strike. So it's even more reason to get your crit and off-hand strike as high as possible with balance, as when off-hand triggers on a crit you automatically get PA (when only the main hand weapon lands on a crit, you only get the main-hand proc). I have 60.1% crit and 79% off-hand strike, this pretty much always gives me PA in the first few hits, and makes reaching 2x and 3x faster.

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post Apr 4 2013, 00:28
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I've just been wondering. In Theory, if I manage to get 40 Evade, 40 Block, 20 Parry and 20 Resist, will that mean I have 100% avoidance of damage from monster? Or Is there a different calculation going on?
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post Apr 4 2013, 00:34
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QUOTE(SPoison @ Apr 3 2013, 16:28) *

I've just been wondering. In Theory, if I manage to get 40 Evade, 40 Block, 20 Parry and 20 Resist, will that mean I have 100% avoidance of damage from monster? Or Is there a different calculation going on?


Multiplicative, and only where they apply.
Physical attacks cant be resisted

40% chance to evade, then 40% chance to block, then 20% chance to parry
.6 * .6 * .8 = .288 = 28% chance to get hit (with no monster anti evade/parry)
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post Apr 4 2013, 00:35
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… different calculation …

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Damage#Anti-Avoidance
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post Apr 4 2013, 02:06
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Possible to have more then 100 evade or parry?

Without shield barrier equipment i don't think 100 block is possible anymore right?
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post Apr 4 2013, 02:57
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So, I've been thinking on going melee to lvl my mage gear. I have seen a few posts around of ppl clearing IW in IWTBH difficulty and I would like to do that. But since this will be my first time as melee I greatly doubt I can manage even hell difficulty. But I want an improvement over heroic since I don't have that much time to play.

Anyways, since I'm an uber n00b where melee is concerned I would like to request your help in deciding:

- The armor I should get. Light or Plate, and what suffixes?
- And ofc, I guess I should Dual Wield, what weapons to get and what suffixes?
- Stats, how to distribute them?

My proficiencies as melee suck BIG, BIG, BIG^BIG time, just look at the image attached. But I'm willing to give it a try.

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post Apr 4 2013, 03:23
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QUOTE(kakashi524 @ Apr 3 2013, 16:57) *

- The armor I should get. Light or Plate, and what suffixes?
- And ofc, I guess I should Dual Wield, what weapons to get and what suffixes?


Never use dual-wield for item world. Way too fucking tedious even with the best set-up. Estoc/heavy is the best set-up for clearing item world fast on high difficulty. You can use plate of protection and mix it with power of slaughter/protection or maybe even a good piece of balance. Best estoc to use would be exquisite+ ethereal slaughter with high ADB, strength, and good proc percentage.

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post Apr 4 2013, 03:33
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QUOTE(kakashi524 @ Apr 3 2013, 17:57) *
- Stats, how to distribute them?

If you balance your stats, you can shift your fighting style whenever you want to.

QUOTE(Pillowgirl @ Apr 3 2013, 17:06) *
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post Apr 4 2013, 03:36
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QUOTE(T_Starrk @ Apr 3 2013, 19:23) *

Never use dual-wield for item world. Way too fucking tedious even with the best set-up. Estoc/heavy is the best set-up for clearing item world fast on high difficulty. You can use plate of protection and mix it with power of slaughter/protection or maybe even a good piece of balance. Best estoc to use would be exquisite+ ethereal slaughter with high ADB, strength, and good proc percentage.

I don't think I'll jump straight away to IW, my proficiencies are too low. How about dual wield weapons for arena? I read a few posts back that as off-hand a rapier of balance is a good idea. How about main hand?
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post Apr 4 2013, 03:39
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QUOTE(aurabolt @ Apr 3 2013, 17:33) *

If you balance your stats, you can shift your fighting style whenever you want to.


Yeah, that's what I do too. I just keep all the stats equal so I can switch between mage and melee just by switching sets. The equipment is what tailors the attributes to your current fighting style anyway.

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post Apr 4 2013, 03:43
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QUOTE(kakashi524 @ Apr 3 2013, 17:36) *

I don't think I'll jump straight away to IW, my proficiencies are too low. How about dual wield weapons for arena? I read a few posts back that as off-hand a rapier of balance is a good idea. How about main hand?


Dual-wield works for arena, but if your ultimate goal is high difficulty item world runs you want to work on your two-hand prof. Anyway, in the main-hand use axe of slaughter for heavy and club of slaughter for light (meh, kevlar could probably use an axe too). You want to use heavy though, trust me. It's much better for item world.
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post Apr 4 2013, 03:47
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Dual-wield works for arena, but if your ultimate goal is high difficulty item world runs you want to work on your two-hand prof. Anyway, in the main-hand use axe of slaughter for heavy and club of slaughter for light (meh, kevlar could probably use an axe too). You want to use heavy though, trust me. It's much better for item world.

Eff, you are right. No much point training DW when I need TH <,<

EDIT1: So far I got these.
HV-093 Head Exquisite Power Helmet of Protection
HV-017 Body Superior Power Armor of Protection
HV-039 Hands Superior Power Gauntlets of Protection
HV-088 Legs Fine Power Leggings of Balance
HV-072 Feet Superior Power Boots of Protection

EDIT2: Of these two, which one would you recommend?

Superior Estoc of Balance
Superior Estoc of Slaughter

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QUOTE(kakashi524 @ Apr 3 2013, 17:47) *

Eff, you are right. No much point training DW when I need TH <,<

EDIT1: So far I got these.
HV-093 Head Exquisite Power Helmet of Protection
HV-017 Body Superior Power Armor of Protection
HV-039 Hands Superior Power Gauntlets of Protection
HV-088 Legs Fine Power Leggings of Balance
HV-072 Feet Superior Power Boots of Protection

EDIT2: Of these two, which one would you recommend?

Superior Estoc of Balance
Superior Estoc of Slaughter


The exquisite power helmet is definitely usable. I use a somewhat similar power piece for my head slot too. Umm, rest is meh, you never want to use heavy with no endurance, it's garbage, imo. You can probably use the Superior Power Armor of Protection for now but the PMI is low for protection. You will want to get some plate of protection though. Even I use four plates and one power for BT item world. Without the high PMI plate I get eaten alive in the late rounds. The three stats you should be most concerned about when picking plate of protection is PMI, endurance, and strength (refer to the wiki to see if the plate has good rolls).

For the estocs, use the slaughter one. But I know you can do better, especially with vanilla estocs. You want to find a good estoc, one of the best investments you'll ever make, lol.

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The exquisite power helmet is definitely usable. I use a somewhat similar power piece for my head slot too. Umm, rest is meh, you never want to use heavy with no endurance, it's garbage, imo. You can probably use the Superior Power Armor of Protection for now but the PMI is low for protection. You will want to get some plate of protection though. Even I use four plates and one power for BT item world. Without the high PMI plate I get eaten alive in the late rounds. The three stats you should be most concerned about when picking plate of protection is PMI, endurance, and strength (refer to the wiki to see if the plate has good rolls).


I'll check it out, I still have 1 week before trying it. I miss some abilities and I'll need to get some points for it.

EDIT: Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!! That was a wild ride. I tried the random encounter in IWTBH and spark of life procced 5-6 times, I was receiving a lot of dmg too.

BTW, I used the special attack from stock and a new buff appeared. It said: tier 2 chain attacks are unlocked. What's that? EDIT: Oh, nvm I think I figured it out.

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EDIT: Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!! That was a wild ride. I tried the random encounter in IWTBH and spark of life procced 5-6 times, I was receiving a lot of dmg too.

BTW, I used the special attack from stock and a new buff appeared. It said: tier 2 chain attacks are unlocked. What's that? EDIT: Oh, nvm I think I figured it out.


Lol, well that's to be expected with that gear and no heavy prof. You need some good plates to get your PMI to a decent level and you need the prof to get your specific mitigations up. Your estoc needs higher damage too. Really if you want to do high level easily you need all mag/leg with a bit of forging. Still cheaper than maging though, lol.

As for tier 2 skills. Your prof isn't high enough for rending blow yet. You don't really need skills with an estoc though besides great cleave, and you only really need that for bosses/legendaries. Estoc is all about just using your OC for spirit stance and hacking away.

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QUOTE(T_Starrk @ Apr 3 2013, 20:54) *

Lol, well that's to be expected with that gear and no heavy prof. You need some good plates to get your PMI to a decent level and you need the prof to get your specific mitigations up. Your estoc needs higher damage too. Really if you want to do high level easily you need all mag/leg with a bit of forging. Still cheaper than maging though, lol.

As for tier 2 skills. Your prof isn't high enough for rending blow yet. You don't really need skills with an estoc though besides great cleave, and you only really need that for bosses/legendaries. Estoc is all about just using your OC for spirit stance and hacking away.


OC. OC. OC. Oh, my! I totally forgot about those ability points. D: I have none spent in OC Boost.

Btw, which spells should I use?

EDIT: Resets tree.
EDIT: How many ability points should I spend in Overcharge boost?

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