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post Feb 14 2013, 01:25
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You do as you want, but I only have 5.9% on my sheet, and I DO feel the difference when I'm using it (and if you want numbers, since I'm always using it, the HVstats tells me I have 11.6% evade).
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post Feb 14 2013, 02:09
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Hey folks, just passed L150 and monsters have started getting spirit attacks, is there anything special I need to be doing now, like keeping SoL up at all times? Or will just Regen II with Cures here and there be okay?
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post Feb 14 2013, 02:22
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QUOTE(hamtarofreak @ Feb 14 2013, 05:39) *

Hey folks, just passed L150 and monsters have started getting spirit attacks, is there anything special I need to be doing now, like keeping SoL up at all times? Or will just Regen II with Cures here and there be okay?


Well that depends on what difficulty you are playing. If its (normal/hard) than don't bother much. But if you are playing higher difficulties like Nightmare or higher than (SOL) is a must since they can K.O you with single hit if you are not careful. Protection/Regen 2 helpful in arenas (atleast for me)

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post Feb 14 2013, 02:29
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herp: SV's evade is not affected by burden.
hamtaro: That's kind of expensive too keep up at all times, but you'll get the occasional unavoidable death, yes.
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post Feb 14 2013, 03:03
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QUOTE(Falbala456 @ Feb 13 2013, 22:56) *

No Shadow Veil, Imperil, Cure II ?


humm you need a lot of stuff....
Slow: nice for FSM or maybe schoolgirls
Sleep: great if you fight more then 1 SG in a round and you also DW (or you want to grind prof)
Shadow Veil: I ALWAYS use that
Imperial: I ALWAYS use that on gods & SG (melee or mage)
Blind: fun to mess with sometimes
Absorb: I ALWAYS use this
Nerf: I use this on gods and use to use it on SG
X-Nerf: Very nice to have if you do IWBTH
Magnet: must have if you do DwD & is still great for gods or high level monsters
Soul Reaper: best way to get back spirit points when fighting 1 monster
Soul Harvest: best way to get back spirit points when fighting a group of monsters
Cure II & III can be nice when you get 20k-30k life since cure I would always do the job if you are taking a lot of hits each round

after you get all that stuff you may want to pick up a tier of holy/dark/soul/wind. If not fill in the exp tanks.
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post Feb 14 2013, 03:16
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QUOTE(4EverLost @ Feb 14 2013, 09:03) *

humm you need a lot of stuff....
Slow: nice for FSM or maybe schoolgirls
Sleep: great if you fight more then 1 SG in a round and you also DW (or you want to grind prof)
Shadow Veil: I ALWAYS use that
Imperial: I ALWAYS use that on gods & SG (melee or mage)
Blind: fun to mess with sometimes
Absorb: I ALWAYS use this
Nerf: I use this on gods and use to use it on SG
X-Nerf: Very nice to have if you do IWBTH
Magnet: must have if you do DwD & is still great for gods or high level monsters
Soul Reaper: best way to get back spirit points when fighting 1 monster
Soul Harvest: best way to get back spirit points when fighting a group of monsters
Cure II & III can be nice when you get 20k-30k life since cure I would always do the job if you are taking a lot of hits each round

after you get all that stuff you may want to pick up a tier of holy/dark/soul/wind. If not fill in the exp tanks.

are SH & SR magic usefull for melee like me ??
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post Feb 14 2013, 03:18
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So the dragons in DwD have silly evade stats or something?
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post Feb 14 2013, 03:40
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QUOTE(ahenayau @ Feb 14 2013, 01:16) *

are SH & SR magic usefull for melee like me ??

you cast soul reaper for 1 monster and soul harvest for a group. when you cast them you get a chance to get Ripened Soul, when you hit a monsters that has that you can get back some spirit points. But if you 2HD melee you can hit more then just one monster at a time and they could all have Ripened Soul.

QUOTE(Herp in your Derp @ Feb 14 2013, 01:18) *

So the dragons in DwD have silly evade stats or something?

ah ya, they can be a pain without magnet.

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post Feb 14 2013, 03:55
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Hmm, dominos procing ripened soul is interesting to know.
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post Feb 14 2013, 05:00
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QUOTE(4EverLost @ Feb 14 2013, 03:03) *

humm you need a lot of stuff....
Slow: nice for FSM or maybe schoolgirls
Sleep: great if you fight more then 1 SG in a round and you also DW (or you want to grind prof)
Shadow Veil: I ALWAYS use that
Imperial: I ALWAYS use that on gods & SG (melee or mage)
Blind: fun to mess with sometimes
Absorb: I ALWAYS use this
Nerf: I use this on gods and use to use it on SG
X-Nerf: Very nice to have if you do IWBTH
Magnet: must have if you do DwD & is still great for gods or high level monsters
Soul Reaper: best way to get back spirit points when fighting 1 monster
Soul Harvest: best way to get back spirit points when fighting a group of monsters
Cure II & III can be nice when you get 20k-30k life since cure I would always do the job if you are taking a lot of hits each round

after you get all that stuff you may want to pick up a tier of holy/dark/soul/wind. If not fill in the exp tanks.


Holy shit, SR and SH recover spirit points!? Why isn't that in the description, or the wiki, or wherever? That's very useful to know o_o thanks.

Also you do seen to use an awful amount of debuffs and buffs, while being a melee, I usually barelly can mantain my buffs. Where do you get so much mana from?
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post Feb 14 2013, 05:11
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Well, it is on the wiki.
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post Feb 14 2013, 05:25
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QUOTE(aloc1234 @ Feb 14 2013, 03:00) *

Holy shit, SR and SH recover spirit points!? Why isn't that in the description, or the wiki, or wherever? That's very useful to know o_o thanks.

Also you do seen to use an awful amount of debuffs and buffs, while being a melee, I usually barelly can mantain my buffs. Where do you get so much mana from?


i have 3100 mana points with estoc/power. I get +22% MP from gear and I need to reset some of it so I can get more.

I have 4 IA slots (haste, shadow, protection, spark) and I always cast Absorb, Regen II, Heartseeker. When I get IA 5 I'll keep it blank. I don't use Spirit Shield most of the time, but when I do its only late in a run or when monsters start hitting hard and regen II can't keep up.

I was doing IWBTH-SG the other day and didn't use spirit shield at all and didn't need to use any spirit pots. So its not something that is a must have but for most its best to use it along with everything else.
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post Feb 14 2013, 05:31
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True. I feel ashamed for not having seem it. But still, it should be next to the spell or something (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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i have 3100 mana points with estoc/power. I get +22% MP from gear and I need to reset some of it so I can get more.

I have 4 IA slots (haste, shadow, protection, spark) and I always cast Absorb, Regen II, Heartseeker. When I get IA 5 I'll keep it blank. I don't use Spirit Shield most of the time, but when I do its only late in a run or when monsters start hitting hard and regen II can't keep up.

I was doing IWBTH-SG the other day and didn't use spirit shield at all and didn't need to use any spirit pots. So its not something that is a must have but for most its best to use it along with everything else.


Interesting... you do prefer spark of life over spirit shield. Hmm. Do you still use spirit pots? I thought the soul harvest thing could compensante enough for the spirit points. It doesnt?
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post Feb 14 2013, 06:18
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QUOTE(aloc1234 @ Feb 14 2013, 03:31) *

True. I feel ashamed for not having seem it. But still, it should be next to the spell or something (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Interesting... you do prefer spark of life over spirit shield. Hmm. Do you still use spirit pots? I thought the soul harvest thing could compensante enough for the spirit points. It doesnt?


its not that i like one more then the other, but I always have spark on. when i melee i have spark on IA, when i mage i take it off but its always on.

if spark is triggered it will use spirit points and when i have spirit stance on i lose some.

casting SH takes turns & uses mana. i only use it if i need to and that isn't often, maybe only when doing long GF. I always have a few spirit pots with me, i just don't use them most of the time. so using a pot is faster then casting spells.
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post Feb 14 2013, 07:22
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The thing with ET was most people didn't use a high % staff or they would just hit or MM the monster while getting the mana back. The higher % staffs only needed 1-2 hits to trigger ET where the lower ones took way more. Then if all you do is melee/MM while you ET you just waist time. There are better ways to use ET while still doing damage.


Define high %. I know you had a decent 50% Redwood that you used (forget which suffix), but >40% wasn't an option on anything but Redwood (unless of course you're Hito). New Redwood is pretty blatantly for Elemental mages, while Schoolgirl marathons are pretty blatantly not our territory (except Wind). Given what I have, I'm not really moving for anything but an Arctic Redwood of the Elementalist, since Redwood Destruction just doesn't cut it.

Part of the problem is that quality and ET %/time are barely related, I see far too many otherwise good Exquisite+ staves with ET in the mid 20s. Even Legendary has no guarantee of decent ET (mine is 34%, which isn't bad but isn't amazing)
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post Feb 14 2013, 08:06
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QUOTE(PK678353 @ Feb 14 2013, 15:22) *

Define high %. I know you had a decent 50% Redwood that you used (forget which suffix), but >40% wasn't an option on anything but Redwood (unless of course you're Hito). New Redwood is pretty blatantly for Elemental mages, while Schoolgirl marathons are pretty blatantly not our territory (except Wind). Given what I have, I'm not really moving for anything but an Arctic Redwood of the Elementalist, since Redwood Destruction just doesn't cut it.

Part of the problem is that quality and ET %/time are barely related, I see far too many otherwise good Exquisite+ staves with ET in the mid 20s. Even Legendary has no guarantee of decent ET (mine is 34%, which isn't bad but isn't amazing)

Want this one?

Or, while the rest of the stats are not great, this katalox has 40% ET.

I don't think this oak (which also has 40% ET) is entirely horrible, either. At least not for Holy mages.

It's probably, as you say, a function of the rolls. I've seen (hell, I own) magni rapiers (ethereal slaughter, no less!) with truly horrible PA proc percentages and durations.
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post Feb 14 2013, 08:17
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When I had reason to do schoolgirl marathons on high difficulty, I found it easier to just fill my MP up by attacking with my staff during one ET and unloading the Overcharge during the next ET. I did experiment with other actions during ET, like doing damage with spells, but the problem I ran into with that is that my MP would, on average, break even. So if I had low MP going into the next round, I'd be forced to use a potion.

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Define high %. I know you had a decent 50% Redwood that you used (forget which suffix), but >40% wasn't an option on anything but Redwood (unless of course you're Hito). New Redwood is pretty blatantly for Elemental mages, while Schoolgirl marathons are pretty blatantly not our territory (except Wind). Given what I have, I'm not really moving for anything but an Arctic Redwood of the Elementalist, since Redwood Destruction just doesn't cut it.

Part of the problem is that quality and ET %/time are barely related, I see far too many otherwise good Exquisite+ staves with ET in the mid 20s. Even Legendary has no guarantee of decent ET (mine is 34%, which isn't bad but isn't amazing)


Why Elementalist? Is it because the MDM on redwood staves is underwhelming, or do you have another reason? I stopped thinking about these things once I bought my legendary. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Feb 14 2013, 08:48
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Why Elementalist? Is it because the MDM on redwood staves is underwhelming, or do you have another reason? I stopped thinking about these things once I bought my legendary. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


Exactly that, the MDB is not up to par with Ebony or Katalox Destruction. Meanwhile, Redwood Elementalist can post very high Prof bonuses, better than Ebony could reach. May as well play to its strength. With an Arctic prefix I can almost hit the EDB levels of my current staff as well. I haven't run a full numbers workup (but my computer with Excel is back in commission, so I could actually go do that now without going insane).

I've honestly never been too much of a fan of Destruction staves, especially in Elemental where Elementalist does a lot of the same things. I only see them as being good with near-max MDB numbers, and solid rolls everywhere else. If they don't have that, you can usually find an EDB or Prof staff at higher overall quality for cheaper that does the job just as well. I've got an Exq. Katalox Destruction sitting around, but my Mag Fenrir actually posts better Holy numbers (this will stop once my profs come up more). Since I was never able to find/afford a Legendary Arctic Ebony Staff of Destruction, I've been continuing with a Legendary Niflheim.

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post Feb 14 2013, 08:53
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If I accidentally clicked a link and missed the hourly, how to get it back?
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post Feb 14 2013, 09:00
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If I accidentally clicked a link and missed the hourly, how to get it back?


Click go back that should bring up the previous page. Don't refresh the page

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