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post Dec 13 2012, 19:12
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How hard is IWBTH FSM again? My DW weapons and prof are terribad but I figure if I just stick SoL on IA and keep him weakened and silenced I should be able to pull through somehow.

I have ~64% PMI and 48% parry, 3k damage with bleed and PA.
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post Dec 13 2012, 19:18
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QUOTE(losernyeo @ Dec 14 2012, 01:12) *

How hard is IWBTH FSM again? My DW weapons and prof are terribad but I figure if I just stick SoL on IA and keep him weakened and silenced I should be able to pull through somehow.

I have ~64% PMI and 48% parry, 3k damage with bleed and PA.


If you weaken and silence FSM, SP shield should the batter spell.

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post Dec 13 2012, 19:57
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If you have patience and attention, you can definitely do it, it just might take a long time without frenzy. Spam divinity infusions in spirit stance, haste, regen2 and spirit shield and it should be easy.
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post Dec 13 2012, 20:24
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QUOTE(losernyeo @ Dec 13 2012, 18:12) *

How hard is IWBTH FSM again? My DW weapons and prof are terribad but I figure if I just stick SoL on IA and keep him weakened and silenced I should be able to pull through somehow.

I have ~64% PMI and 48% parry, 3k damage with bleed and PA.

You can kill it with a 2h just fine as well. Get OC to full, PA, spirit cleave, turn SS off and hit 10 times, repeat until dead.
SoL on FSM is a huge waste, spirit shield will cost less mana (both to cast and to possibly cure afterwards) and less spirit if it gets a skill off.
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post Dec 13 2012, 21:08
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I attempted FSM IWTBH somewhere about 150-155 (dw prof barely over 60 iirc) and frankly, the only reason I lost was because I couldn't land weaken & silence often enough and ended up empty on mp with about 150k hp left on it. I'm sure your dep prof is going to be far better than mine was then and although I use shade your eq all look far better than mine were in relevant terms.
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post Dec 14 2012, 00:34
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Temchy: I find that SoL has the huge advantage over spirit shield of not catching the MP-attack, which from non-agitated FSM won't kill you if you've maintained your HP properly whereas the spirit skill is a place to put absorb to good use. Certainly use far less SP this way.
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post Dec 14 2012, 02:07
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A question to the CF players.

What is the best way for a melee fighter(crys perk 3) to farm crystals?
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post Dec 14 2012, 02:08
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Ok, so I just fought the schoolgirls for the first time. Started out with 8 tokens of blood and fought all four of them in a row, winning each time. Half way through I visited the front page and a dawn of the new day event occurred. I now have 1 token of blood. How did I manage to consume exactly 7 tokens of blood?? I thought each fight awarded a token of blood at the end. Shouldn't I be down by only 4 tokens?
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post Dec 14 2012, 02:10
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You got chaos tokens instead?
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post Dec 14 2012, 02:18
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QUOTE(Herp in your Derp @ Dec 13 2012, 16:10) *

You got chaos tokens instead?

Ohh, right. Duh. Didn't realize 'token' meant any token. Thanks.
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post Dec 14 2012, 02:23
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QUOTE(Mantra64 @ Dec 14 2012, 07:07) *

A question to the CF players.

What is the best way for a melee fighter(crys perk 3) to farm crystals?


Full shield of protection + the most godly scythe EVER.

Or just save up and mage instead (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Dec 14 2012, 02:32
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QUOTE(ChosenUno @ Dec 14 2012, 02:23) *

Full shield of protection + the most godly scythe EVER.

Or just save up and mage instead (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I never see anyone else with godly scythe except TheTornPrince (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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post Dec 14 2012, 02:34
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QUOTE(Mantra64 @ Dec 13 2012, 16:07) *

A question to the CF players.

What is the best way for a melee fighter(crys perk 3) to farm crystals?

you can search through the thread, but 4everlost has said for short runs-- basically first determine your time/efficiency (crys per hour) per difficulty. You obviously clear more rounds on normal than on BT, but since the multipliers can increase faster on BT, you might get more crystals per hour on that setting. Try it and decide since it will depend on gear.

Like ChosenUno said for normal you want high damage as possible to 1shot everything, but 4ever has said he can get further w/ plate/ turtle than shield.

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post Dec 14 2012, 02:35
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QUOTE(t15 @ Dec 14 2012, 07:32) *

I never see anyone else with godly scythe except TheTornPrince (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)


danixxx had one. I think Ichy does as well.

And TPP's scythe isn't godly at all, it's just pimped out.
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post Dec 14 2012, 02:35
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QUOTE(etothex @ Dec 14 2012, 07:34) *

you can search through the thread, but 4everlost has said for short runs-- basically first determine your time/efficiency (crys per hour) per difficulty. You obviously clear more rounds on normal than on BT, but since the multipliers can increase faster on BT, you might get more crystals per hour on that setting. Try it and decide since it will depend on gear.

Like ChosenUno said for normal you want high damage as possible to 1shot everything, but 4ever has said he can get further w/ plate/ turtle than shield.


If you're just starting to gather gear NOW, plate turtle is not an option since it doesn't exist anymore.

Shield Protection is the next best thing, now.
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post Dec 14 2012, 03:12
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Shield of protection? Scythe?

Is that if you doing CF on normal? Or do that also count for BT playing?

I have three nice scythes. Which one would be the best one?

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=6629b6a676
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=e1ba7dbc5c
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=70ad506e40
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post Dec 14 2012, 03:18
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QUOTE(losernyeo @ Dec 13 2012, 13:12) *

How hard is IWBTH FSM again? My DW weapons and prof are terribad but I figure if I just stick SoL on IA and keep him weakened and silenced I should be able to pull through somehow.

I have ~64% PMI and 48% parry, 3k damage with bleed and PA.


You can do it, Frenzy just makes it faster. I did it back at 150 when I got Regen II for the first time (using Fimbulvetr).

The three things that matter for IWBTH FSM are honestly the Deprecating to keep the debuffs up through Curse Weaving (harder for DW since you don't have bonus prof from a Staff), and the damage and the sheer MP/SP pool to outlast his millions of HP (if you never miss a Weaken/Silence you'll only need MP). Pack Rat 5 for 13 pots and then a pile of Divinity infusions for damage output if you need it (even if you don't, it makes the fight go faster so do it anyway), with 12/1 Godly MP/SP pots in reserve.

He doesn't have any of the fancy-shmancy resist and evade bullshit that the Big 5 do, he's just a giant pile of HP and insane stats. With Weaken and Silence up, he's just a really fast pile of HP.


QUOTE(Mantra64 @ Dec 13 2012, 21:12) *

Shield of protection? Scythe?

Is that if you doing CF on normal? Or do that also count for BT playing?

I have three nice scythes. Which one would be the best one?

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=6629b6a676
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=e1ba7dbc5c
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=70ad506e40


Scythe is for Normal. I'm pretty sure it's the usual Estoc for BT, the idea with the Scythe being to consistently one-shot so you can live through rounds where you're taking +2000% damage and stay at max crystals/round longer.

Of the three, use the Ethereal one for now. Once you've IW'd the other two, they have plenty of potential and better Element Strikes, but Void + Elec > Slashing + Holy/Soul when you're after consistent one-shots.

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post Dec 14 2012, 03:40
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I'm enamored with this idea of maging for low difficulty fests. Obviously I don't intend to do crysfests as I've no crystarium but let's say I wanted to mage an exquisite IW on easy. Would I need stellar gear to 1 shot the rounds or could I manage with say 2-300k worth of equipment and 0 prof? Because doing it with an estoc is driving me nuts and I sometimes even fail on hard (/shame).
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post Dec 14 2012, 03:41
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QUOTE(Lement @ Dec 13 2012, 23:34) *

Temchy: I find that SoL has the huge advantage over spirit shield of not catching the MP-attack, which from non-agitated FSM won't kill you if you've maintained your HP properly whereas the spirit skill is a place to put absorb to good use. Certainly use far less SP this way.

Well, considering we're talking about rare case, as weaken and silence are usually applied: "meh". That's like what, <5% base SP then? I'd rather save the mana for cure in that case. Not to mention that it could double tap you with MP+SP attack. (can it?)
If we were talking about no silence at all: maybe.
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