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post Nov 30 2012, 08:37
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QUOTE(PK678353 @ Nov 30 2012, 13:26) *

They exist. Some even do decently with it, but we also see them show up at level 200, using a Magnificent Leather Breastplate and getting eaten by Eila.


You sir just made passing lvl 200 sound scary. I guess i can take my time lvling slowly and enjoy my pre 200 lvls or does fun factor pass 200 goes over the top.
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post Nov 30 2012, 09:20
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QUOTE(DaReaper @ Nov 30 2012, 13:37) *

You sir just made passing lvl 200 sound scary. I guess i can take my time lvling slowly and enjoy my pre 200 lvls or does fun factor pass 200 goes over the top.

it's not 'that' scary if you think you already have decent gears and enough prof. its scary for those who aren't do any preparation.

QUOTE(Coma @ Nov 30 2012, 03:10) *

Main Hand: Superior Ethereal Club of Balance
Offhand: Superior Ethereal Rapier of Balance

Backup Main Hand: Exquisite Ethereal Axe of Slaughter

I am going to use them for the End of Days in Hard (higher up would be tedious), and I plan to IW them.
Which is worth to IW first?

Currently WTS is overpriced, so I cant find replacement anytime soon.
Another question, which is faster to clear the End of Days? Spirit Stance all the way or Spirit Stance + DW skills? I will leave this question to those who completed the 220

3 ethereal. ugh, can't offer much except these
Superior Ethereal Club of Slaughter
i think it is better than your balance?

dagger for offhand Magnificent Ethereal Dagger of Balance ?
definitely worth IW if playing with dagger as offhand

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do you have that much spirit to use SS all the way through? its DW, SS on 20 rounds with 9 monster = 180 spirit, more if its not 1hit kill plus casting spell.

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post Nov 30 2012, 09:38
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do you have that much spirit to use SS all the way through? its DW, SS on 20 rounds with 9 monster = 180 spirit, more if its not 1hit kill plus casting spell.


You gain a lot of Spirit between 150 and 190 as you throw every available AP at Spirit Tanks to prep for Spirit Shield. Coma will have at least ~500 SP, possible more (~225 base, 17x9=153% bonus for ~570 SP).
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post Nov 30 2012, 10:30
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Is it just me, or why is it armor can be shared (used) in multiple equipment sets but weapons cannot?
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post Nov 30 2012, 10:45
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Is it just me, or why is it armor can be shared (used) in multiple equipment sets but weapons cannot?


Yep. Some weird technical reason why weapons can't be shared. It's apparently nontrivial to fix as well.

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post Nov 30 2012, 18:01
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QUOTE(MirandaKerr @ Nov 30 2012, 09:20) *

3 ethereal. ugh, can't offer much except these
Superior Ethereal Club of Slaughter
i think it is better than your balance?

dagger for offhand Magnificent Ethereal Dagger of Balance ?
definitely worth IW if playing with dagger as offhand

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do you have that much spirit to use SS all the way through? its DW, SS on 20 rounds with 9 monster = 180 spirit, more if its not 1hit kill plus casting spell.

How much you would take for that Club? I need some Slaughter for mainhand, but most of them are overpriced atm.

I dont consider Dagger since I need PA to boost damage, but I am not sure which three I should IW first. I want to see faster performance in the End of Days, and not to be wasting 20turns on each schoolgirls

I have about 469 Spirit points, but I have 3 Godly Spirit in slots


QUOTE(Arxdewn @ Nov 30 2012, 10:30) *

Is it just me, or why is it armor can be shared (used) in multiple equipment sets but weapons cannot?

Tenb said it is due to technical issue regarding coding for sharing weapons into multiple sets

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post Nov 30 2012, 18:51
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Superior Ethereal Club of Balance
Superior Ethereal Club of Slaughter
between those two, which will give better damage if IW to max?
using the worse scenario
mine got no butcher, the other lv5 butcher.
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post Nov 30 2012, 19:02
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QUOTE(MirandaKerr @ Nov 30 2012, 18:51) *

Superior Ethereal Club of Balance
Superior Ethereal Club of Slaughter
between those two, which will give better damage if IW to max?
using the worse scenario
mine got no butcher, the other lv5 butcher.

Your club have better damage than mine, even with 5 butchers

The worst scenario for your club would be level 2 End, level 2 Agi, and level 2 Dex, which is the chance I dont want to take

EDIT: at idealistic scenario, I would have 5 Swift-strike and 4 AGI, so I still can use Balance Club as offhand and improve my action speed and critical strike chance. Butcher is actually the bad scenario for Balance.

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post Nov 30 2012, 19:10
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So, unlike lucky draw, archaologist, and quartermaster, scavenger does not seem to have a percentile attribute. Instead it just says +2 drop chance. What does that mean in relation to the default drop chance? Is +2 significant, or is it more a small buff that adds up over time when you have 5-6 +2s adding up to 10-12. Or is it deliberately obtuse to avoid revealing exactly how drops are calculated?
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post Nov 30 2012, 19:30
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QUOTE(galdon @ Nov 30 2012, 19:10) *

So, unlike lucky draw, archaologist, and quartermaster, scavenger does not seem to have a percentile attribute. Instead it just says +2 drop chance. What does that mean in relation to the default drop chance? Is +2 significant, or is it more a small buff that adds up over time when you have 5-6 +2s adding up to 10-12. Or is it deliberately obtuse to avoid revealing exactly how drops are calculated?

Scavenger is percentile. Base drop roll is 5%, maxing out scavenger makes it 10%

+2 means 2%, and it is calculated multiplicity
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post Nov 30 2012, 19:40
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QUOTE(Coma @ Dec 1 2012, 00:02) *

Your club have better damage than mine, even with 5 butchers

The worst scenario for your club would be level 2 End, level 2 Agi, and level 2 Dex, which is the chance I dont want to take

EDIT: at idealistic scenario, I would have 5 Swift-strike and 4 AGI, so I still can use Balance Club as offhand and improve my action speed and critical strike chance. Butcher is actually the bad scenario for Balance.

hmm, lv3 swift and better damage result, yet you still reject it. from this result i think you shouldn't IW your club too. thus, leave you with either rapier or axe. i prefer IW axe.
17% PA chance vs crit chance, i think it will evenly match(more or less).
now i have a suspicion that you were interested in my current club.

QUOTE(galdon @ Dec 1 2012, 00:10) *

So, unlike lucky draw, archaologist, and quartermaster, scavenger does not seem to have a percentile attribute. Instead it just says +2 drop chance. What does that mean in relation to the default drop chance? Is +2 significant, or is it more a small buff that adds up over time when you have 5-6 +2s adding up to 10-12. Or is it deliberately obtuse to avoid revealing exactly how drops are calculated?

from wiki
Drop Roll 5%
Scavenger Training (up to doubled) >>>10% at max
Monster's Power Level Bonus (+1% per 25 PL, starting from PL 500)
Arena Clear / Random Encounter Bonus

so, you got additional 5%*2%=0.1% per scavanger training

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post Nov 30 2012, 19:53
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QUOTE(MirandaKerr @ Nov 30 2012, 19:40) *

hmm, lv3 swift and better damage result, yet you still reject it. from this result i think you shouldn't IW your club too. thus, leave you with either rapier or axe. i prefer IW axe.
17% PA chance vs crit chance, i think it will evenly match(more or less).
now i have a suspicion that you were interested in my current club.


I lost interest in your club after I see this selling 18k, got to buy this

EDIT: of course, unless you are willing to sell your magnificent club (which I know you wont sell)

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post Nov 30 2012, 20:28
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That seems like a pretty good deal at 18k, even if you're only going to use it in the interim. With 3PAB you're not taking a big risk if you want to IW it a bit more.

Would it be dumb to pay up to 600k for this?

Edit: That's in an auction 600k is how much I'm willing to bid up to XD

Edit 2: Just found this guy, I have 50% parry with it O_O now I'm tempted to try that.

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post Nov 30 2012, 20:33
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If you read the owner of that club, you'll realize it's been sold already. If you play on battletoads, one spirited frenzied blows kills the schoolgirls and is much faster; but on hard I'm not sure about frenzied vs spirit hits.

That is a really good estoc, 25% PA, nice damage, decent crit and PABs, it'll probably last you for at least 100 levels or so, whether you feel that's worth 600k is up to you
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post Nov 30 2012, 20:46
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QUOTE(loserneo @ Nov 30 2012, 20:28) *

That seems like a pretty good deal at 18k, even if you're only going to use it in the interim. With 3PAB you're not taking a big risk if you want to IW it a bit more.

Would it be dumb to pay up to 600k for this?

Edit: That's in an auction 600k is how much I'm willing to bid up to XD

Edit 2: Just found this guy, I have 50% parry with it O_O now I'm tempted to try that.

It is a very good estoc, though I am bothered by the fact that none of the stats is of exquisite quality (61 WD is below Superior). Should last you about 100 level or so

The Dagger is good, though as Shade armor user, you might want to seek Balance to improve Offhand Strike and Critical Chance stats.

PS When I posted that 18k Club, it was still under madvvv ownership...I am sad that it was bought too soon... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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post Nov 30 2012, 20:53
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QUOTE(Coma @ Nov 30 2012, 12:46) *
The Dagger is good, though as Shade armor user, you might want to seek Balance to improve Offhand Strike and Critical Chance stats.

PS When I posted that 18k Club, it was still under madvvv ownership...I am sad that it was bought too soon... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)


Aha! No, I am not a shade user. I am heavy, and even DW in it although I guess I can maybe drop the 5AP in SV and maybe up to 100k to buy starter gear (already have 2 reasonable pieces) and try out shade. I use a rapier of balance and the decision to try out the dagger is more or less completely frivolous.
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post Nov 30 2012, 21:10
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QUOTE(loserneo @ Nov 30 2012, 18:28) *

That seems like a pretty good deal at 18k, even if you're only going to use it in the interim. With 3PAB you're not taking a big risk if you want to IW it a bit more.

Would it be dumb to pay up to 600k for this?

Edit: That's in an auction 600k is how much I'm willing to bid up to XD

Edit 2: Just found this guy, I have 50% parry with it O_O now I'm tempted to try that.


its a nice estoc for ETH, but you could find something better with elemental strike. It should still be leveled if you buy it.
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post Nov 30 2012, 21:58
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QUOTE(Coma @ Nov 30 2012, 11:30) *

Scavenger is percentile. Base drop roll is 5%, maxing out scavenger makes it 10%

+2 means 2%, and it is calculated multiplicity


Ok so the % sign was just left off by accident then?
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post Nov 30 2012, 22:06
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QUOTE(galdon @ Dec 1 2012, 03:58) *

Ok so the % sign was just left off by accident then?


No, it's intentional so people won't ask 'Why I'm not getting 100% drop chance with full Scavenger training?'

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post Nov 30 2012, 22:21
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QUOTE(Coma @ Dec 1 2012, 00:53) *

I lost interest in your club after I see this selling 18k, got to buy this

EDIT: of course, unless you are willing to sell your magnificent club (which I know you wont sell)

nope, i won't sell it. i'm just curious about my competitor when i bought this club from slobber. i guess it wasn't you

QUOTE(loserneo @ Dec 1 2012, 01:53) *

Aha! No, I am not a shade user. I am heavy, and even DW in it although I guess I can maybe drop the 5AP in SV and maybe up to 100k to buy starter gear (already have 2 reasonable pieces) and try out shade. I use a rapier of balance and the decision to try out the dagger is more or less completely frivolous.

100k for 'trying', i doubt you'll use light set for long, i personally think heavy user won't feel comfortable when using light. trading a 'certainty' for 'gambling'.
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=2b258cc66a feel tempted?

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