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Sep 20 2010, 21:52
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(sekirei07 @ Sep 20 2010, 04:30)  I got innate Arcana 4 so I have haste/shield/barrier/shadow veil on at all times but that still burns around 1-2 mp a turn for me.
IMO don't use shield, and barrier it's completely worthless MP eater against Gods, only their spirit attack is magical, and with or without barrier, they still kill you 1-shot.
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Sep 21 2010, 01:10
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QUOTE(Charkan @ Sep 20 2010, 16:08)  It's worth raising the level of this armor? Fair phase robe of fenrirNo one ever uses Fenrir gear.
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Sep 21 2010, 01:10
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HybridGuardian
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QUOTE(Boggyb @ Sep 21 2010, 01:10)  No one ever uses Fenrir gear.
And the stats suck.
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Sep 21 2010, 17:48
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sekirei07
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QUOTE(Death Grunty @ Sep 20 2010, 21:40)  If I'm going to figt RL I'll take 1 or 2 Bubblegums and rest all Mana Elixirs. I don't see any point in bringing a scroll of gods.. especially with IA IV. I'd rather bring another Mana Elixir. But that's just me.
wait can i put items in S1 slot than not just scrolls? For fighting RL, would using pierced armor + poison + soul harvest be the best way to damage him? This post has been edited by sekirei07: Sep 21 2010, 17:53
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Sep 21 2010, 17:54
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(sekirei07 @ Sep 21 2010, 16:48)  wait can i put items in S1 slot than not just scrolls?
No.
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Sep 22 2010, 02:14
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shiki666
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How does elementalist gear work? I'm trying to develop my electric magic skills to eventually get that Kill all Mobs in One Shot power all the high ranks have. But I'm confused though. What does this elemental/divine proficiency bonus on this armor do exactly? Does it just add the bonus to my base elemental/divine proficiency? I have the proficiency cap to my level and I could always slowly level it up so whats the point of getting a bonus there? Also is Gossamer considered elementalist gear or is that just another cloth armor like here: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=bcd5a05234For this mage gear below for example how does it affect spell damage: For Electric Magic: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=098de625ddFor Holy Magic: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=d36f04c48cI have only 1 piece of elementalist gear here. Is it any good at increasing electric magic damage? http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=7cfad5b6c5Are there any elementalist armor with bonuses to electric rating or damage? Or is it only bonus to proficiency? I don't really see the benefit in wearing something giving 10-30% proficiency bonus with only 1-2% evade. How can that boost the Electric magic to one shot the mobs? Also why does it seem that everyone in the high levels wants Divine Proficiency and forgets about elemental proficiency?? You only want to use Holy Magic at that level? This post has been edited by shiki666: Sep 22 2010, 02:15
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Sep 22 2010, 02:20
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QUOTE(shiki666 @ Sep 21 2010, 17:14)  How does elementalist gear work? I have the proficiency cap to my level and I could always slowly level it up so whats the point of getting a bonus there?
It increases your bonus past the cap. Also, Spell damage multiplier = 1 + prof / 200 QUOTE(shiki666 @ Sep 21 2010, 17:14)  Are there any elementalist armor with bonuses to electric rating or damage?
That would be mjolnir phase like this. It, however, does not give elementalist bonus. QUOTE(shiki666 @ Sep 21 2010, 17:14)  Also why does it seem that everyone in the high levels wants Divine Proficiency and forgets about elemental proficiency?? They don't. This post has been edited by Boggyb: Sep 22 2010, 02:22
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Sep 22 2010, 02:41
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shiki666
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QUOTE(Boggyb @ Sep 22 2010, 02:20)  That would be mjolnir phase like this. It, however, does not give elementalist bonus. So which armor is better for me to get? The armor that gives the elementalist proficiency bonus or the one that give damage bonus like that mjolnir phase with direct Electric damage of around 9? Does that damage bonus of 9 mean 9% bonus electric damage or 9 extra hp electric damage? This post has been edited by shiki666: Sep 22 2010, 02:42
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Sep 22 2010, 03:22
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Sayo Aisaka
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It's +9%. The percent sign apparently would mess up the formatting in some cases, so Tenboro left it out.
As for what armour you should get, you basically need to decide what you want from it first (damage, hit chance, evasion, whatever) and then do the sums... though in some cases you can't do the sums because we don't know the formulae. The effect of magic rating on damage is still a mystery, for example.
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Sep 22 2010, 03:40
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sekirei07
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For Staff which would be better:
Average Ebony Staff of Focus Magic D +21.02% Magic Acc + 61.63% Elemental +29.18 Elec +12.47 Magic Crit +4.23%
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Fine Ebony Staff of Mjolnir Magic D +26.09% Magic Acc +16.6% Elemental +33.05 Elec +25.83 Magic Crit +1.77%
So with Focus on I have +24.9% Magic DD +75.7% hit chance +4% Crit chance
Mjorin +29.5% Damage +40.9% hit chance +1.7% crit chance
Would the lose off Acc be worth it for the increase in damage or should I hold out and stick to acc, does it get easier to land spells on mobs at higher levels so damage increase can be focused on?
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Sep 22 2010, 07:05
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Conquest101
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QUOTE(shiki666 @ Sep 21 2010, 17:14)  How does elementalist gear work? I'm trying to develop my electric magic skills to eventually get that Kill all Mobs in One Shot power all the high ranks have. But I'm confused though. What does this elemental/divine proficiency bonus on this armor do exactly? Does it just add the bonus to my base elemental/divine proficiency? I have the proficiency cap to my level and I could always slowly level it up so whats the point of getting a bonus there?
As Boggy said, your proficiency can go beyond your cap. Spell damage multiplier = 1 + prof / 200, meaning that every 2 points of elemental proficiency increases your base damage by 1%. QUOTE(shiki666 @ Sep 21 2010, 17:14)  Also is Gossamer considered elementalist gear or is that just another cloth armor like here: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=bcd5a05234Elementalist gear is Phase or Gossamer gear with the "of the Elementalist" suffix. QUOTE(shiki666 @ Sep 21 2010, 17:14)  Not considering scaling, the first would increase your Fire/Electric/Wind/Cold damage by roughly 10% of base. The second would increase your holy magic damage by roughly 15%. QUOTE(shiki666 @ Sep 21 2010, 17:14)  I have only 1 piece of elementalist gear here. Is it any good at increasing electric magic damage? http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=7cfad5b6c5Yes and no. There's no elemental proficiency or electric rating obviously, but INT does increase your damage by a small amount. Sayo's tests indicated that a 10% increase in Magic Rating translates to roughly a 5% increase in damage. How much that Int bonus would effect your damage depends on your actual INT/Magic rating of course. Still though, just relying on INT is vastly inferior to actually having elementalist gear. QUOTE(shiki666 @ Sep 21 2010, 17:14)  Are there any elementalist armor with bonuses to electric rating or damage? Or is it only bonus to proficiency? I don't really see the benefit in wearing something giving 10-30% proficiency bonus with only 1-2% evade. How can that boost the Electric magic to one shot the mobs? Also why does it seem that everyone in the high levels wants Divine Proficiency and forgets about elemental proficiency?? You only want to use Holy Magic at that level?
Boggy answered your first question. Though good Mjolnir armor is hard to find since it can only spawn on Phase. Trust me, elemental proficiency matters. You will not be able to one-shot mobs, at least not with Tier 1 electric, which is the ideal, without some boost to Proficiency or Rating. I can't speak for other high levels, but I've been building a Heaven-sent setup to prepare for running the level 220 arena, which consists of 75 rounds of Legendaries, 3/4 of whom are weak to Holy. The general population wants Elementalist gear though. And high levels still use elementalist gear for most things.
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Sep 22 2010, 07:11
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Conquest101
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QUOTE(sekirei07 @ Sep 21 2010, 18:40)  For Staff which would be better:
Average Ebony Staff of Focus Magic D +21.02% Magic Acc + 61.63% Elemental +29.18 Elec +12.47 Magic Crit +4.23%
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Fine Ebony Staff of Mjolnir Magic D +26.09% Magic Acc +16.6% Elemental +33.05 Elec +25.83 Magic Crit +1.77%
So with Focus on I have +24.9% Magic DD +75.7% hit chance +4% Crit chance
Mjorin +29.5% Damage +40.9% hit chance +1.7% crit chance
Would the lose off Acc be worth it for the increase in damage or should I hold out and stick to acc, does it get easier to land spells on mobs at higher levels so damage increase can be focused on?
It's hard to say without knowing exactly how you're actually doing. Does the first staff allow you to kill all enemies minus Blue Slimes with Tier 1? If so, then it's worth the increased misses since using the second staff would require you to cast a second time anyway since some mobs will survive. And more mobs dead on the first cast = less hits you take. If you can't kill in one turn with either staff, then the second staff MIGHT be better, assuming you can finish off all the mobs in 2 casts. Or if you're using Tier 2, then as long as you can shot everything with the second staff, it's probably better. If not, the first is better. Etc, etc.
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Sep 22 2010, 07:27
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QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Sep 21 2010, 22:05)  And high levels still use elementalist gear for most things.
No we don't.
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Sep 22 2010, 08:39
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Conquest101
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QUOTE(Boggyb @ Sep 21 2010, 22:27)  No we don't.
Ok, well I do (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) I don't have access to End of Days yet. And I still do the lower arenas. And I use it for IW and the occasional grindfest. Out of curiosity. Do you use something different for IW's at that point?
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Sep 22 2010, 15:58
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Sayo Aisaka
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QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Sep 22 2010, 06:05)  Sayo's tests indicated that a 10% increase in Magic Rating translates to roughly a 5% increase in damage.
Other way round. 5% increase in rating -> 10% increase in damage. Didn't get enough data to be sure if one is exactly twice the other. No idea what the underlying formula is, or whether the same applies for significantly different starting values of magic rating.
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Sep 22 2010, 16:01
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shiki666
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QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Sep 22 2010, 07:05)  As Boggy said, your proficiency can go beyond your cap. Spell damage multiplier = 1 + prof / 200, meaning that every 2 points of elemental proficiency increases your base damage by 1%.
Not considering scaling, the first would increase your Fire/Electric/Wind/Cold damage by roughly 10% of base. The second would increase your holy magic damage by roughly 15%.
Boggy answered your first question. Though good Mjolnir armor is hard to find since it can only spawn on Phase. Trust me, elemental proficiency matters. You will not be able to one-shot mobs, at least not with Tier 1 electric, which is the ideal, without some boost to Proficiency or Rating.
I can't speak for other high levels, but I've been building a Heaven-sent setup to prepare for running the level 220 arena, which consists of 75 rounds of Legendaries, 3/4 of whom are weak to Holy. The general population wants Elementalist gear though.
And high levels still use elementalist gear for most things.
Wow thanks. So from the numbers you gave me if I had to choose between an elementalist armor with +30% elemental prof and that mjolnir armor Boggby showed me with +9.87% electric damage the greater damage comes from the 30% elemental prof = 15% electric damage right? Its a little hard to figure out which armor is the most helpful at getting the one shot power for Tier 1 magic. Is there someplace that shows the maximum stat values for the armor? I mean how do I find out what the cap is for mjolnir armor electric damage bonus or elemental armor prof bonus? Is say mjolnir damage bonus capped at 20% or 30% for example and elemental prof capped at 40%? And if I were somehow lucky enough to get a drop of rare good armor how do I find out the armor is good stuff to keep? How do I do the calculation to know when not to sell off this weapon/armor drop? I kind of use the bazaar sell price to figure out if its valuable but I would like to know of a more exact method. Thanks.
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Sep 22 2010, 16:38
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QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Sep 21 2010, 23:39)  Do you use something different for IW's at that point?
I use whatever. QUOTE(shiki666 @ Sep 22 2010, 07:01)  Is there someplace that shows the maximum stat values for the armor? I mean how do I find out what the cap is for mjolnir armor electric damage bonus or elemental armor prof bonus? Is say mjolnir damage bonus capped at 20% or 30% for example and elemental prof capped at 40%?
Stats are capped at the time of generation, but those values are, to some extent, a mystery. After generation, equipment continues to scale indefinitely. QUOTE(shiki666 @ Sep 22 2010, 07:01)  And if I were somehow lucky enough to get a drop of rare good armor how do I find out the armor is good stuff to keep? How do I do the calculation to know when not to sell off this weapon/armor drop?
"Good" is a relative term. If a piece of equipment is "better" than what you currently have, then it is "good". (Don't ask me to define "better". Everyone values stats on equipment differently.)
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Sep 23 2010, 00:58
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Death Grunty
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What's going on? Red Lightning (and Nekogal both) unregistered?
Didn't they have decently high levels? Seems fishy.
Why do I care? For some unknown reason Red Lightning periodically gave me positive karma boosts. Though small they were appreciated.
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Sep 23 2010, 00:59
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grumpymal
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QUOTE(Death Grunty @ Sep 22 2010, 18:58)  What's going on? Red Lightning (and Nekogal both) unregistered?
Didn't they have decently high levels? Seems fishy.
Why do I care? For some unknown reason Red Lightning periodically gave me positive karma boosts. Though small they were appreciated.
Probably dupes that got wiped out in the last Dupe Hunt.
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