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post Nov 17 2012, 04:41
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QUOTE(cirrux @ Nov 17 2012, 04:03) *

@fishinsea
if you want to earn more than 20k, just finish all the arenas on your first page, even normal will net you 20k min. I do the first few rounds on IWBTH some other on BT and if I'm really lazy I just go with all hard. Btw mage here.

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Reaching 200, and my profs are abysmal.
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Do i need to grind staff/cloth armor?

Do you cast Forbidden in compliment to Divine? You might want to get that up.

As for Cloth and Staff, there is always IWBTH Crude IW. Train prof while you still can, because it is a whole different world between pre-200 and post-200
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post Nov 17 2012, 05:03
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QUOTE(Randommember @ Nov 16 2012, 02:55) *

Did some testing, blowing through item world just to see how often I'd run into Eila Ilmatar Juutilainen 501st.
For an item world with 126 rounds, I did 4 runs.
I met her 8 times on the first.
9 on the second.
7 on the third.
and 8 on the fourth and last.

That's 8 times on average, for an item world of 126 round.
In other words 8 out of 12 possible times (with the 10 round minimum between repeats of the same monster).
Which of course includes the first 20 or so rounds where you don't face a full room of monsters.

That's just ridiculously often IMO.


Asked that question in here 2 months ago, finally someone answered it.

I figured that the encounter rate was at least 5+ times per 100 rounds but at the time was under-motivated to spend time testing this theory.

I guess this shows that $$$$$ spent for crystals is well worth it.
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post Nov 17 2012, 05:16
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QUOTE(cirrux @ Nov 17 2012, 04:03) *

Do i need to grind staff/cloth armor?


If you want to continue maging, yes all that needs to match your level.

+5 MDamage/10 point staff proficiencies = 1000 MDmg @ lvl 200

You should get gain >0.01 point of staff prof approximately every 7 turns.
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post Nov 17 2012, 05:35
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5 mdam/10 prof
200 levels, max prof = 200
mdam max = 20x5? = 100 mdam bonus o.o

I guess I'll try a bit but I just don't think it's an efficient place to use time :S

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post Nov 17 2012, 06:20
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some monsters are resisting/evading my spells 3 times in a row especially 501st and her gang...
Its killing me in BT/IWBTH arenas. what can i do to counter their resist/evade??

does increasing my magic accuracy help? my current magic accuracy is 150
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post Nov 17 2012, 06:29
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QUOTE(cirrux @ Nov 16 2012, 20:35) *

5 mdam/10 prof
200 levels, max prof = 200
mdam max = 20x5? = 100 mdam bonus o.o

I guess I'll try a bit but I just don't think it's an efficient place to use time :S


prof grinding was never an efficient place to use time. if you value your time more than the average HV player, then skip prof grinding.

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post Nov 17 2012, 06:47
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QUOTE(zhen0n @ Nov 17 2012, 06:20) *

some monsters are resisting/evading my spells 3 times in a row especially 501st and her gang...
Its killing me in BT/IWBTH arenas. what can i do to counter their resist/evade??

does increasing my magic accuracy help? my current magic accuracy is 150

There is nothing you can do about resist. Only three ways to counter resist: MagNet and channeling (100% ignore) and Focus skill (50% ignore).

Raising magic accuracy beyond 100% will give you 50% of that extra accuracy as the counter against evade (i.e. 150% magic accuracy, then you gain 25% as anti-evade)

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post Nov 17 2012, 07:49
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What level do you have to be to actually do an item world? The wiki just says that the monsters are stronger in higher tier items, but I picked a pretty weak weapon and wound up in an 85 round long battle that took 2 hours before I died on the 73rd round (I was lvl 24 when i entered). I feel pretty ripped off since I didn't get any credits for any of that fighting on top of not getting weapon exp, I might as well have done a few grind fests.

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post Nov 17 2012, 07:57
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Never do IW before level 100 I say.
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post Nov 17 2012, 07:59
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I started IW at level 180 but i can barely do 150 rounds for an Exquisite item on Hell difficulty. It took a long time to get to level 3 with miniscule effect. I quitted after a few times and now i'm waiting for a Magnificent or Legendary item. It's not worth the time.
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post Nov 17 2012, 08:00
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to #25448:
its mean if you pick a superior item you will die before 50th or much sooner...
btw,pass 85round only give few item exp
it wont work anything at lv24

so try gf is better,at least gf still give you credit

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post Nov 17 2012, 08:04
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QUOTE(loserneo @ Nov 17 2012, 06:44) *

I did my first clears on ring of blood, starting with 4 tokens of blood and ending with 3. I thought I was supposed to get a token back for each first clear, what happened!!?


QUOTE(Coma @ Nov 17 2012, 07:30) *

Each clear have higher token drop chance, nowhere in the statement about a guaranteed token drop as you thought.


Just a quick note, RoB do give a guaranteed token for each clear. It's from some old patch notes, but so far I don't remember there's a time when I don't get one from RoB clear.

But then there's blood token and chaos token. And yes, it's a way to convert blood tokens to chaos tokens, though I'm not sure why anyone would do so.
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post Nov 17 2012, 08:14
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QUOTE(cirrux @ Nov 17 2012, 05:35) *

5 mdam/10 prof
200 levels, max prof = 200
mdam max = 20x5? = 100 mdam bonus o.o

I guess I'll try a bit but I just don't think it's an efficient place to use time :S


oh yea sorry about that, added another 0 by mistake.

I get about +5-7% boost in base MDmg (depends on staff ofc) if maxed staff prof. It seems like a small amount but if you wanna continue maging you probably need to go down that road someday.

Example of Perfect Mage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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post Nov 17 2012, 08:25
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3 Eila Ilmatar Juutilainen 501st gains the effect Weakened.
6 2 You cast Weaken.
6 1 You gain 0.02 points of deprecating magic proficiency.
5 5 Regen II restores 503 points of health.
5 4 You parry the attack from Eila Ilmatar Juutilainen 501st.
5 3 Eila Ilmatar Juutilainen 501st evades your spell.
5 2 You cast Weaken.
5 1 You gain 0.01 points of deprecating magic proficiency.
4 4 Regen II restores 503 points of health.
4 3 Eila Ilmatar Juutilainen 501st resists your spell.
4 2 You cast Weaken.
4 1 You gain 0.03 points of deprecating magic proficiency.
3 4 Regen II restores 503 points of health.
3 3 Eila Ilmatar Juutilainen 501st resists your spell.
3 2 You cast Weaken.
3 1 You gain 0.03 points of deprecating magic proficiency.
2 5 Regen II restores 503 points of health.
2 4 Ceiling Alligator hits you for 1518 piercing damage.
2 3 You gain the effect Shadow Veil.
2 2 You cast Shadow Veil.
2 1 You gain 0.02 points of supportive magic proficiency.
1 6 Regen II restores 503 points of health.
1 5 Eila Ilmatar Juutilainen 501st hits you for 2801 piercing damage.
1 4 Your spirit shield absorbs 880 points of damage from the attack into 11.66 points of spirit damage.

this is fucking retarded
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post Nov 17 2012, 08:46
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QUOTE(killa @ Nov 17 2012, 08:25) *

3 Eila Ilmatar Juutilainen 501st gains the effect Weakened.
6 2 You cast Weaken.
6 1 You gain 0.02 points of deprecating magic proficiency.
5 5 Regen II restores 503 points of health.
5 4 You parry the attack from Eila Ilmatar Juutilainen 501st.
5 3 Eila Ilmatar Juutilainen 501st evades your spell.
5 2 You cast Weaken.
5 1 You gain 0.01 points of deprecating magic proficiency.
4 4 Regen II restores 503 points of health.
4 3 Eila Ilmatar Juutilainen 501st resists your spell.
4 2 You cast Weaken.
4 1 You gain 0.03 points of deprecating magic proficiency.
3 4 Regen II restores 503 points of health.
3 3 Eila Ilmatar Juutilainen 501st resists your spell.
3 2 You cast Weaken.
3 1 You gain 0.03 points of deprecating magic proficiency.
2 5 Regen II restores 503 points of health.
2 4 Ceiling Alligator hits you for 1518 piercing damage.
2 3 You gain the effect Shadow Veil.
2 2 You cast Shadow Veil.
2 1 You gain 0.02 points of supportive magic proficiency.
1 6 Regen II restores 503 points of health.
1 5 Eila Ilmatar Juutilainen 501st hits you for 2801 piercing damage.
1 4 Your spirit shield absorbs 880 points of damage from the attack into 11.66 points of spirit damage.

this is fucking retarded

We know
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post Nov 17 2012, 08:57
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Blacksheep Eldric:
No, you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to crystals.
But I won't simply tell you. I'll tell you to calculate how much 1 PL400 is worth, then calculate how many PL400s he would have gotten from it, then consider the rate of bindings increase as PL increases(and given that only 2 bindings are more valuable than high-grade) and even getting guaranteed drop per hour compared to the PL400 army.

Eila wasn't crystal-efficient even when she quintuple-tapped and appeared every third round(Tenboro added monster action speed cap and 10 round minimum).
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post Nov 17 2012, 09:34
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At my current level of 97, is it better to spend credits on buying good gear from other players or on the loot training levels (currently 27/10/5/5 with next levels at 100k-300k)?
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post Nov 17 2012, 09:42
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QUOTE(somewhen @ Nov 17 2012, 09:34) *

At my current level of 97, is it better to spend credits on buying good gear from other players or on the loot training levels (currently 27/10/5/5 with next levels at 100k-300k)?

If you decide to be melee, buy an ethereal; for mage, buy Phase with EDB. Since you are less than 100lvl, you can take advantage of give-free shops in WTS

Training loot drops is not profitable unless you play very long time and able to do deeper runs at higher difficulty.

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post Nov 17 2012, 09:54
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QUOTE(Lement @ Nov 17 2012, 08:57) *

Blacksheep Eldric:
No, you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to crystals.
But I won't simply tell you. I'll tell you to calculate how much 1 PL400 is worth, then calculate how many PL400s he would have gotten from it, then consider the rate of bindings increase as PL increases(and given that only 2 bindings are more valuable than high-grade) and even getting guaranteed drop per hour compared to the PL400 army.

Eila wasn't crystal-efficient even when she quintuple-tapped and appeared every third round(Tenboro added monster action speed cap and 10 round minimum).


My comment was not supposed to be taken in "financial" terms, the "worth" I implied was really more about self-satisfaction of seeing your creation getting more on-air time.

I doubt Frith spent all that time on E1la just for bindings. Probably more about getting kicks from people rage-quitting. LoL.

Btw my previous inquiries about E1la encounter rates was more of an inquisitive nature rather than a whine, even if it did sound like that.
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post Nov 17 2012, 10:12
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