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post Jul 26 2010, 06:03
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FYI, I don't do anything more than a Road less traveled, for my daily arenas. I've done the fresh meat and stuff, but I do them once. And forget about it.

When you get more skill and support skills and stuff. Gear that starts to handle monsters better, that's when you naturally can have fun at higher arenas.

Not many people will consider arenas at near their own level as part of their daily arenas, it's just too tough to keep repeating it.

To sum it up, you should be looking to repeatedly bash arenas two or three arenas below your current highest arena. It's pretty absurd to try to keep finishing every arena on the list since the lowest few arenas probably doesn't seem to be worth it.


Regarding your Niten, wait, you ARE using niten with that katana right? It sounds like you were just swinging that ol katana without a wakizashi, but if I'm wrong, ignore this. Try a really good piece of heavy armor at about 130-160levels, with some good silk flee pieces. See if you last better that way. (1 heavy + 4 silk)


I stand correct, you aren't using a wakizashi with your katana. No wonder you have a hard time. Get a decent wakizashi with the katana, you'll survive a little longer.


About your DW set, I recommend you to... er.... Maybe think about 1HS. It offers you more protection since shields block magic also, daggers don't. And high block shields are pretty easy to find. I mean at about 20-30% that is.

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post Jul 26 2010, 06:11
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QUOTE(shiki666 @ Jul 25 2010, 20:30) *

I'm having some problems leveling and doing Arenas. It seems the higher the level the more damage I take and the less I can last. I barely survive Arenas on Normal now and I tried both silk and heavy armor no good. I can do some great damage with a 2H katana but its still quite tricky even to beat the low round Arenas. Is there anything I can do to decrease the damage I take? Should I be wearing heavy on Normal or switch to Silk instead? What can I do to increase my chances of surviving Arena rounds Fresh Meat and above??


If you're going to use silk, you'll want to maximize your evade so you don't get hit. I'm not sure what the parry is to your dagger, but that's the important stat to that item. When I was your level, I used a combination of a high block shield with a rapier and evade clothing, but then I already had a pretty high block shield. With a high block shield, you can block and high evade means more attacks will miss you.
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post Jul 26 2010, 06:12
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I actually only do higher arenas. If it doesn't have a boss, its not worth my time. Even when I was that level, I did every arena every day, since this was back when we didn't have IW to farm XP in.

If you're getting killed consistently, try going full Plate with 1HS. Block and Counter will help you.

Or you could just ignore arenas and farm in IW. The experience and credits you can make from selling items would probably be more worth your while.

Also, don't bother with Niten until you're around level 100. You just won't have the stats and proficiencies to support it adequately until then.
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post Jul 26 2010, 08:10
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Am I the only one who has noticed a complete lack of variability in the base proficiency of elementalist gear? It makes me seriously question whether luck of the draw is being applied. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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post Jul 26 2010, 09:39
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QUOTE(cmal @ Jul 26 2010, 06:12) *

I actually only do higher arenas. If it doesn't have a boss, its not worth my time. Even when I was that level, I did every arena every day, since this was back when we didn't have IW to farm XP in.

If you're getting killed consistently, try going full Plate with 1HS. Block and Counter will help you.

Or you could just ignore arenas and farm in IW. The experience and credits you can make from selling items would probably be more worth your while.

Also, don't bother with Niten until you're around level 100. You just won't have the stats and proficiencies to support it adequately until then.


Lets see I bought some new plate recently. Tell me what do you think of the Heavy/Silk armor I have now? Should I stick with what I got or shop around some more?

Heavy Armor:
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=05dc48a676
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=82c0f39369
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=4bb6263add
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=23f08e1049
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=9c5204c54a

Silk:
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=6e0c882e33
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=a6882d2e47
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=aa82695f89
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=00c4666f43
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=418d6d6e66

PS. I don't use Niten thats for Lv 100+. My proficiency is just too low now.
What do you think of my Wakizashi for when I do use it? Is it a good one to go with Niten?

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=33366531f0

Also could you tell me what you think of my shield? Thanks

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=e0a86fbf9f

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post Jul 26 2010, 09:55
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Ok, I take back what I said about Niten after seeing cmal comment about it.

About your shield, try looking for kite or buckler, your current shield doesn't look all that awesome and I'm sure kite shields with 30% block isn't all that rare neither. Bucklers on the other hand at 30% is pretty hard to find.

I'd justify using tower shield if it had 40% block, but then you wouldn't find many that high. More like, none for sale. So yea, tower's a lil too heavy and doesn't seem to give the best bang for your buck.


EDIT: Speak of the devil, I just found a pretty good block Kite (I ignored the stat bonuses) shield in the bazaar right now. You can pick it up right now.

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=af154fec5f

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post Jul 26 2010, 16:01
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QUOTE(Boggyb @ Jul 26 2010, 07:10) *

Am I the only one who has noticed a complete lack of variability in the base proficiency of elementalist gear? It makes me seriously question whether luck of the draw is being applied. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Of my two pairs of Elementalist shoes, one has about 60% more proficiency bonus than the other. That seems pretty variable to me.

@shiki666: Arenas are just tough at your level. I didn't even try Fresh Meat until about level 60, and I had to use four Godly Mana Draughts to clear it. Things get a lot easier by level 100. I can't advise on the Katana/Heavy combo for Arenas, but it should work nicely for Item World. And get your WIS up. It's important for barrier rating and base MP, which you need even if you only use supportive/curative spells.
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post Jul 27 2010, 04:56
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How does this look for my equipment? I don't like how high it puts my burden, for one thing.

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post Jul 27 2010, 05:26
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4 14 You have been defeated.
4 13 Searing Skin hits Blue Hedgehog for 1720 damage.
4 12 Blue Hedgehog crits you for 2674 crushing damage.
4 11 You gain 0.02 points of cloth armor proficiency.
4 10 The effect Coalesced Mana on Apathetic Canuck has expired.
4 9 Apathetic Canuck has been defeated.
4 8 Searing Skin hits Apathetic Canuck for 1860 damage.
4 7 Your Spark of Life consumes some of your Spirit, and restores you from the brink of defeat.

0 7 Spawned Monster F: MID=13 (Mind Raper) LV=234 HP=52680 MP=196 SP=7 NA=51 Type=hostile
0 6 Spawned Monster E: MID=5 (Giant Panda) LV=232 HP=24000 MP=127 SP=69 NA=63 Type=hostile
0 5 Spawned Monster D: MID=11 (Zombie Cow) LV=232 HP=55900 MP=114 SP=94 NA=50 Type=hostile
0 4 Spawned Monster C: MID=15 (Apathetic Canuck) LV=236 HP=55440 MP=53 SP=89 NA=50 Type=hostile
0 3 Spawned Monster B: MID=14 (Blue Hedgehog) LV=236 HP=55440 MP=246 SP=8 NA=50 Type=hostile
0 2 Spawned Monster A: MID=12 (Manthra) LV=237 HP=58540 MP=281 SP=82 NA=50 Type=hostile
0 1 Initializing arena challenge #28 (Round 81 / 100) ...
0 0 Battle Start!

Motherfucking shit that is hard on Battletoads. I had 5 mana elixirs and a spirit elixir left which might not have left me with enough to fight the Trio.

Getting my curative proficiency up to max might have helped, but the problem seemed to being hit. Maybe using tier 3 AOEs wasn't the best idea.

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post Jul 27 2010, 06:26
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How does this look for my equipment? I don't like how high it puts my burden, for one thing.

Your equipment is crap. Get better pieces.

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that is hard on Battletoads. I had 5 mana elixirs and a spirit elixir left which might not have left me with enough to fight the Trio.

Wrong thread?
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post Jul 27 2010, 07:24
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QUOTE(Macadamia @ Jul 26 2010, 19:56) *

How does this look for my equipment? I don't like how high it puts my burden, for one thing.

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Pretty much all leather and cotton is frowned upon unless it's like a high rating "thrice blessed" or "spirit ward", but that doesn't really concern you at the moment.

You'll probably want to post the links of your equipment too since the items can differ significantly even with the same name.

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post Jul 27 2010, 07:34
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Wrong thread?

I disagree.
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post Jul 27 2010, 12:22
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hi

could you guys take a look at my build and see if i am doing things right?

i am doing a staff-user/mage/elementalist build and things aren't going as well as i expected.

i can't last long in the battles and my magic accuracy tends to fluctuate a lot. sometimes most of my attacks will hit while at other times most of them will miss.

even at the arena, the best i can do without relying on any health pots is graduation at normal difficulty. i only managed to clear it by spamming my cure and then hitting with magic missle in order to conserve mp for cure and hopes that the magic missles will land enough hits with enough damage before my cure and hp runs out.

occasionally i will also come across a normal monster that attacks me twice in a turn.

currently i am thinking of doing several things...

1. keep increasing my int (which i am doing right now) in order to improve my accuracy as well as increasing the strength of my magic attacks in order to compensate for my misses.

2. increase my agi and thus my action speed so that i will attack more often then the monsters do in order to compensate for my misses.

3. change my amor to light armor (or perhaps even heavy) in order to strengthen my defenses.

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oh and btw, why do i post the links to my equipment?
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post Jul 27 2010, 13:19
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You should try to even out your stats. It's bad when they're so far below your level.
You should swap your fire magic for lightning magic. Only one normal monster is resistant to lightning (blue slime) versus four who are resistant to fire, five if you count manthra.
You should look for better armor. Cotton armor is worthless. I have some elementalist shoes in my shop that that no one seems to want. I'll send them to you as a gift.
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post Jul 27 2010, 15:12
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QUOTE(Boggyb @ Jul 27 2010, 04:26) *

Motherfucking shit that is hard on Battletoads. I had 5 mana elixirs and a spirit elixir left which might not have left me with enough to fight the Trio.

Getting my curative proficiency up to max might have helped, but the problem seemed to being hit. Maybe using tier 3 AOEs wasn't the best idea.
Try to use tier 2 instead. Add shield to IA if you didn't try yet. You cleared eve of death on battletoads?

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post Jul 27 2010, 15:46
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Greetings, once again.

Here's a little status report from me. Actually I had intended to smooth out some of my flaws and then ask again for guidance from you experts. But I'm still working on it, so I'll do that next week.
For now I want to aks for some general advice on what I need for fights against legendaries.
Since my last post here I've improved my equipment (now 34.xish evade), bought some more ability points, I'll reach 10k per AP soon. And I'll have raised my Deprecating to 90 and start leveling Supportive until next week.
My goal of beating Endzone was met, so I guess I was partly successful thanks to your advices. However. I completely failed at my first legendary attempt. (And I'm talking about Mikuru.)
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post Jul 27 2010, 17:54
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QUOTE(torotuna @ Jul 27 2010, 19:19) *

You should try to even out your stats. It's bad when they're so far below your level.
You should swap your fire magic for lightning magic. Only one normal monster is resistant to lightning (blue slime) versus four who are resistant to fire, five if you count manthra.
You should look for better armor. Cotton armor is worthless. I have some elementalist shoes in my shop that that no one seems to want. I'll send them to you as a gift.


thx for the shoes...

so for the armor... does it mean that i should look for better cloth armor (gossamer and phase) and not change into light armor?

as for my general attack strategy... i should use elec aoe magic when encountering multiple monsters and then pick off the remaining one or two left with single target magic?

and can anyone tell me how to post the links to my equipment?
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post Jul 27 2010, 17:59
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QUOTE(hentai_fusion @ Jul 27 2010, 08:54) *

thx for the shoes...

so for the armor... does it mean that i should look for better cloth armor (gossamer and phase) and not change into light armor?

as for my general attack strategy... i should use elec aoe magic when encountering multiple monsters and then pick off the remaining one or two left with single target magic?

and can anyone tell me how to post the links to my equipment?

Mouse over the item and hit ctrl+c and it will give you this: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=ba6df19ace

From what I've seen, light armor isn't used very much. If you're going mage, then you'll probably want to look for an elementalist set of armor. Phase is hard to come by... well good phase. I usually just AOE electric, then pick off the rest with magic missile, but I don't know if that will work for you.
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post Jul 27 2010, 18:02
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QUOTE(cmdct @ Jul 27 2010, 06:12) *

Add shield to IA if you didn't try yet.

I don't think it would do any good.

QUOTE(cmdct @ Jul 27 2010, 06:12) *

You cleared eve of death on battletoads?

Nope. Haven't tried.

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post Jul 27 2010, 18:55
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Ok, well I don't know how to post an item directly. How is it done? lol
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