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post Jul 17 2010, 01:54
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I didn't say people shouldn't look at bazzar, some jewels might appear sometimes, but spending credits for mediocre gear that's not smart when you can already find it cheaper.

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post Jul 17 2010, 02:14
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QUOTE(Sayo Aisaka @ Jul 16 2010, 23:48) *

I picked these up about half an hour ago.


haha I was looking at those too, But I decided to keep the ones I have now and level them up.
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post Jul 17 2010, 03:01
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I bought an exquisite shield from the bazaar. It's complete crap though, except for EXP grinding in IW.
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post Jul 17 2010, 14:21
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Greetings.
So I finally came around and did my last level up and I'm now officially 100. *cheers*

And I hope you experts can help me with my complete reset in regards to.. well everything.. So far I've deliberately ignored pretty much every magic spell except for CURE. And I've mainly used IW and Grindfest to get where I am. However.. I was hoping to change my HV activities (from grindfest/IW) to Arena/RoB only from now on.
I'm good with that level (100), and I think it's about time to learn more about the mechanics of the game... and grab the Ascended rank while I'm at it. (This is my next goal.)


I. ABILITIES

*reset abilities*
Alright here we go.. I have 112 ability points. What will I need?
(Why the reset? For obvious reasons really.. My ability tree looked like this: max EXP bonus, max HP tank, max MP tank, leftovers in various abilities. I think that's good for grinding but Arena battles were really tough. I could prly use some variety.)

[attachmentid=5462]

II. Primary Attributes

As you can see I have also saved up some Unassigned EXP: 940,222
I did that on purpose. Frankly I'm not quite sure how I should assign them for Arena/RoB...
If it's grinding I'd as always ignore magic and go for STR, DEX and AGI instead. But as I was saying.. I want to be able to swoop the arena battles. So what's the ideal, most balanced allocation?
Maybe something in percent... eg.

STR + [30%]
DEX + [10%]
AGI + [30%]
END + [10%]
INT + [10%]
WIS + [10%]

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III. Proficiency, Derived Attr & Elemental Rating

This is probably catastrophic. I was too lenient on proficiencies.. so don't hold back.

IV. EQUIPMENT

I'll cut to the chase.. this is what I have been using for awhile now:

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Fine Ruby Axe
Fine Ruby Rapier of the Nimble
Fair Phase Cap of Heimdall
Fine Dragon Hide Breastplate of Negation
Average Titanium Plate Gauntlets of Protection
Average Phase Panties
Exquisite Prism-Adorned Leather Boots of the Fire-Eater

V. VARIOUS

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HELP VERY MUCH APPRECIATED!!
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post Jul 17 2010, 15:06
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Question.
# 10 of the arena is clear I can not clear the next.
Not only that, I may lose any arena since I was already supposed to be cleared over level 40.
I present the current parameters and equipment, thank you for advice.
Equipment is usually set1, when I focus on the challenge set3 magic in battle.

Character
(IMG:[i28.tinypic.com] http://i28.tinypic.com/2zje6bn.jpg)

Ability
(IMG:[i27.tinypic.com] http://i27.tinypic.com/anoa3n.jpg)

Equipment set1
(IMG:[i30.tinypic.com] http://i30.tinypic.com/24d1vuw.jpg)
main hand
off hand
cap
body
hands
legs
feet
set1 shield when not equipped with the dagger equipped.

Equipment set3
(IMG:[i30.tinypic.com] http://i30.tinypic.com/67myj8.jpg)
main hand
cap
body
hands
legs
feet

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post Jul 17 2010, 18:27
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This is one big post (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

QUOTE(catd0g @ Jul 17 2010, 13:21) *

*reset abilities*
Alright here we go.. I have 112 ability points. What will I need?
(Why the reset? For obvious reasons really.. My ability tree looked like this: max EXP bonus, max HP tank, max MP tank, leftovers in various abilities. I think that's good for grinding but Arena battles were really tough. I could prly use some variety.)
66 AP on HP/MP tanks, 30 AP in poison, weaken, bewilder, haste, SV, spark of life, and lastly 22 AP in holy tiers when you get the necessary AP, then start to fill the SP+OC. (Barrier is kinda obsolete)



QUOTE(catd0g @ Jul 17 2010, 13:21) *

II. Primary Attributes
My advice is to balance the stats, but if maging is out of your idea, try to put STR/DEX/AGI/END/WIS at your level and leave the rest for INT. later you can raise STR a little more but don't let INT too behind it helps reducing interference per example.

QUOTE(catd0g @ Jul 17 2010, 13:21) *

III. Proficiency, Derived Attr & Elemental Rating

This is probably catastrophic. I was too lenient on proficiencies.. so don't hold back.
Yes it is, I strongly advise you to not challenge RoB/EndGame until you raise deprecating/supportive
like +70% of your level.
QUOTE(catd0g @ Jul 17 2010, 13:21) *

IV. EQUIPMENT
Get one good rapier for main-hand, for gear get 5 pieces of evade silk, the phase is not bad but isn't good either, forget heavy unless for cake setting, and light use only very good kevlar if you get some.

QUOTE(catd0g @ Jul 17 2010, 13:21) *

V. VARIOUS
Violet aura IMO is one of the less important auras, and for pure melee characters, the first 4 auras are the most important ones.
About trainings I would focus in raising ability boost until 50, and adept trainer until 110, then raise whatever you want.



QUOTE(sauriu @ Jul 17 2010, 14:06) *

Question.
# 10 of the arena is clear I can not clear the next.
Not only that, I may lose any arena since I was already supposed to be cleared over level 40.
I present the current parameters and equipment, thank you for advice.
Equipment is usually set1, when I focus on the challenge set3 magic in battle.
You mean you die in Fresh Meat.
QUOTE(sauriu @ Jul 17 2010, 14:06) *

Character
The stats are good, but you should raise deprecating/supportive/curative proficiency more, switch to cake difficulty, and in the first arena challenges cast these spells until you run out of mana in the last round.
QUOTE(sauriu @ Jul 17 2010, 14:06) *

Ability
I see you prefer to cast spells to kill monster, so what you really need is electric and fire spells with ratings maxed only(33AP), see this. Max weaken and haste (10 AP), them fill HP/MP tanks

QUOTE(sauriu @ Jul 17 2010, 14:06) *

Equipment set1

Equipment set3
You're basically messed up with the equipment, forget the battlecaster sword/shield keep only the dagger, use a Ebony staff, either focus (+ accuracy) or destruction (+ magic damage), only battle cast in 1vs1 cases like Ring of Blood, and use a rapier to take advantage of penetrated armor, but don't need to be "of batlecaster", better chance and turns to proc is what you should look.

The rest of gear use "elementalist" gossamer/phase with best elemental proficiency, and evade possible.
Don't use anything other than cloth gear to mage, since each point of interference reduce 1% of magic damage.

The strategic you should use in arena is cast thunderstorm, then inferno.


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post Jul 17 2010, 19:23
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QUOTE(catd0g @ Jul 17 2010, 08:21) *

<stuff>

Maging is actually much faster for grinding, since you're facing mostly shit mobs who die in one-shot if you're good. Arenas require more effort building a proper mage since its much harder to one-shot minis. You can do like me and go for a spellsword-type build and start allocating extra points into Elec and eventually Fire spells. A blast of Thunderstorm or two (or Inferno as the second spell) is usually enough to kill some mobs and mortally wound others, so melee-ing the rest is trivial. However, to do this, you'll need to bring your INT and WIS up. WIS is more important since it gives you MP. I don't know how many times I've said it, but I'll say it again: EVERYBODY NEEDS A LOT OF WIS. When you run out of MP, you DIE. Mana potions are way more effective than health potions. You also need to get your END up to snuff.

If you want to get your Dep/Supportive profs up, put on a staff and as many WIS bonus equips as you can, put it on Cake, jump into an Arena, and spam Weaken and Shield when there's only one mob left (MM the rest to death). Weaken will be quicker and easier to do since you can proc CM and you get half off for the duration.

Green Aura. You need it.

QUOTE(sauriu @ Jul 17 2010, 09:06) *

<stuff>

Battlecaster gear is pretty useless. Get a high Block Kite shield. If you want to melee, put on more Heavy and evade Silk. If you want to Mage, put on Cloth. At your level, you can't do both at the same time. Either melee with your melee gear, or mage with your mage gear.

Its too early for you to fill out SP-OC. Prioritize HP and MP Tanks. Prioritize Elec then Fire spells -- Thunderstorm-Inferno is the quintessential magic One-Two Punch.
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post Jul 17 2010, 19:50
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@sauriu
Your abilities screen should look like this +shield.
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post Jul 17 2010, 22:19
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IV. EQUIPMENT

[attachmentid=5468]

This any better?

Fine Ruby Axe
Fine Ruby Rapier of the Nimble
Fair Phase Cap of Heimdall (or alt: Fine Silk Cap of the Fleet)
Average Silk Robe of Warding
Average Gossamer Gloves of teh Fox
Fine Silk Panties of Warding
Fine Silk Shoes of the Cheater

That's the best evasion stuff I got.. As usual I'm lacking in the Gloves slot.. kinda hard to find anything useful.
As for Rapier.. It's not like I was totally clueless.. so I stocked up on rapiers.. See for yourself.. Fine Ruby of the Nimble is probably the best choice imo.:
Average Bronze Rapier 24% PA BUT 1turn and mediocre Parry
Average Emerald Rapier 4turns and good Parry BUT low PA proc
Average Iron Rapier of the Nimble 24% PA BUT 1turn and mediocre Parry
Average Sapphire Rapier 9.28% Parry, 17% PA, 3 turns
Average Titanium Rapier of Balance 18% PA, 3 turns BUT low Parry
Average Titanium Rapier of Slaughter 23% PA BUT 1turn and mediocre Parry
Average Titanium Rapier of the Raccoon 9.04% Parry, 16% PA, 2 turns
Fair Steel Rapier of the Nimble 10.51% Parry, 18% PA, 2 turns
Fine Bronze Rapier of the Nimble 22% PA, 2 turns BUT 7.05% Parry
Fine Emerald Rapier 20% PA, 4turns BUT 6.81% Parry
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post Jul 17 2010, 22:35
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That's the best evasion stuff I got.. As usual I'm lacking in the Gloves slot.. kinda hard to find anything useful.

My heavy mix set has 24 evade...

QUOTE

As for Rapier.. It's not like I was totally clueless.. so I stocked up on rapiers.. See for yourself.. Fine Ruby of the Nimble is probably the best choice imo.:
Average Bronze Rapier 24% PA BUT 1turn and mediocre Parry
Average Emerald Rapier 4turns and good Parry BUT low PA proc
Average Iron Rapier of the Nimble 24% PA BUT 1turn and mediocre Parry
Average Sapphire Rapier 9.28% Parry, 17% PA, 3 turns
Average Titanium Rapier of Balance 18% PA, 3 turns BUT low Parry
Average Titanium Rapier of Slaughter 23% PA BUT 1turn and mediocre Parry
Average Titanium Rapier of the Raccoon 9.04% Parry, 16% PA, 2 turns
Fair Steel Rapier of the Nimble 10.51% Parry, 18% PA, 2 turns
Fine Bronze Rapier of the Nimble 22% PA, 2 turns BUT 7.05% Parry
Fine Emerald Rapier 20% PA, 4turns BUT 6.81% Parry

They all suck. I'll see if I have better.
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post Jul 18 2010, 00:04
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QUOTE(catd0g @ Jul 17 2010, 13:19) *


The shoes are good compared to what I've found. It's said that shoes and gloves are the hardest to find at decent evade. Evade wise, all the other armor is okay at best. You probably want at least 5% evade curved to your level and 6% for the robe. To give you an idea, this is what I have for my evade set up.

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=fc50092242 Cap
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=66c150dd7c Robe
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=bd3f4e2aae Gloves
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=6cf82eed57 Pants
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=fcd81ac5ff Shoes

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post Jul 18 2010, 00:10
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QUOTE(Golden Sun @ Jul 17 2010, 21:35) *

My heavy mix set has 24 evade...
My evade set has 50 evade, and all pieces are mostly 30 levels below like my cloth prof...
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post Jul 18 2010, 00:18
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My evade set has 50 evade, and all pieces are mostly 30 levels below like my cloth prof...

Just goes to prove my point.
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post Jul 18 2010, 00:27
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QUOTE(Golden Sun @ Jul 17 2010, 23:18) *

Just goes to prove my point.
I got curious to see how much evade I could get with 1 piece of heavy, but when I saw +50.3%, I was compelled to post (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Edit:
@catd0g: Having +35% evade at level 100 is the line I draw at those times, to separate from good to bad evade.

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post Jul 18 2010, 00:47
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I got curious to see how much evade I could get with 1 piece of heavy, but when I saw +50.3%, I was compelled to post

No worries.
...
That's with a piece of heavy? Are all your gear post-nerf?
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post Jul 18 2010, 01:02
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Alright I'll see to it that I can at the very least reach the minimun quota of 35% Evade.
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post Jul 18 2010, 01:04
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QUOTE(Golden Sun @ Jul 17 2010, 23:47) *

No worries.
...
That's with a piece of heavy? Are all your gear post-nerf?
No, full silk and after 4.0. With my heavy cap I get 44.
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post Jul 18 2010, 03:46
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Thank you for much advice. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

It tries the change of the equipment from the rearrangement of the ability first because it isn't enough for the credit.
More, the thing that be short of experience of the magic.
Therefore, after that is trained, too, it tries it in the arena again.

Thank you very much.
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post Jul 18 2010, 13:01
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QUOTE(cmal @ Jul 17 2010, 19:23) *

If you want to get your Dep/Supportive profs up, put on a staff and as many WIS bonus equips as you can, put it on Cake, jump into an Arena, and spam Weaken and Shield when there's only one mob left (MM the rest to death). Weaken will be quicker and easier to do since you can proc CM and you get half off for the duration.



Wow that was a great tip. I mean it is the obvious thing to do.. but I still used to do it differently. I always used my usual equip, went in the Cake arena and spammed poison.
Now I tried it with the wis bonus, a staff and weaken... +9.00 deprecating! in 24h
for the obvious reasons... CM! Kinda should have thought of it myself.. but didn't. Thank you very much!
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post Jul 18 2010, 23:37
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sauriu, just asking, but are you eating pots and still failing to clear fresh meat and dark skies? Make sure you bring mana pots, draughts take too long and arenas need instant mana. Normal/Greater mana pots are what you should be looking at.

Up until a road less traveled, I don't use any mana pots at all. (Note, I mage, I don't hit things with a sword, I normally burn mana to get any work done)

My recent Dark skies was 4 normal mana pots and 2 greater mana pots, I used up 3 normal mana pots, and walked out with 3 pots leftover.

Keep your HP over 70%, make sure you keep the buffs, haste, shadow viel and shield up at all times. I only have one arcana and I use that for shield. Even then, you can keep shield on manual activation. (Cure is your best friend, and so is mana pots, you can consider using a greater HEALTH draught just before the final round of dark skies to act as auto healing or something, I don't have enough AP for barrier, but if you can keep it up, why not?)

You don't need to debuff the mini bosses, however you should target the minions first. Blast all the minions then attack the mini bosses. (Cuz freaking minions can get lucky, and crit you, and then miniboss can get lucky, and also crit you. Double crit and you can kiss your ass goodbye)

Dark skies I had my HP blink red several times, and that's with 70% hp steady.

(Note: Debuffs are needed against ROB, but I still don't think it's necessary against mini-bosses so far, at our current level 50-60)

I hope my comments help.

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