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Jun 18 2010, 15:52
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KamuiSeph
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I have a question, does training "Luck of the draw" increase the quality of just items (i.e. potions,scrolls,infusions) or does it also increase the quality of equipment?
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Jun 18 2010, 15:56
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Ichy
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QUOTE KamuiSeph' date='Jun 18 2010, 15:52' post='723411'] I have a question, does training "Luck of the draw" increase the quality of just items (i.e. potions,scrolls,infusions) or does it also increase the quality of equipment?
Im fairly sure it does increase the quality of equipt. I get fine+ more often and generally has nicer stats.
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Jun 18 2010, 16:25
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KamuiSeph
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Might just be luck? I get fine equip quite often too. Though I have never gotten anything above fine, not even once lol.
Thought that if I max it out I may get an excellent piece or something...
Thanks for the answer, though I'd like to hear from someone who knows for a fact which it is. I don't want to spend so many creds on better items, I get plenty of elixirs as it is.
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Jun 18 2010, 17:05
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Ichy
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QUOTE KamuiSeph' date='Jun 18 2010, 16:25' post='723424'] Thought that if I max it out I may get an excellent piece or something...
This will take some time. At level 12 it already costs me 209984 credits (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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Jun 18 2010, 17:13
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(Ichy @ Jun 18 2010, 16:05)  This will take some time. At level 12 it already costs me 209984 credits (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) To master LoD, it will cost over 60 million credits or something.
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Jun 18 2010, 17:33
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KamuiSeph
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QUOTE(cmdct @ Jun 18 2010, 18:13)  To master LoD, it will cost over 60 million credits or something.
Who even has that much? Jesus jumping jacks. That would take me like... 27 years to get that many creds. ~_~ someone just shoot me now.
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Jun 18 2010, 18:41
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kyouri
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Its actually slightly just under 25mil credits according to sonic's calc. Still an insane amount.
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Jun 18 2010, 18:48
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(kyouri @ Jun 18 2010, 17:41)  Its actually slightly just under 25mil credits according to sonic's calc. Still an insane amount.
Actually is ~36.8 million. I mistaken with scavenger (~62.2 million)
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Jun 18 2010, 19:06
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Golden Sun
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QUOTE Who even has that much? Hitokiri84
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Jun 18 2010, 19:22
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(Golden Sun @ Jun 18 2010, 18:06)  Hitokiri84
Actually Hito only have 20 LoD, and he not master any of the 4 trainings yet. (At least he didn't announced it) If you count cheaters, and if my memory is correct Gillian was the only guy to ever master it, and also scavenger. This post has been edited by cmdct: Jun 18 2010, 19:22
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Jun 18 2010, 19:54
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KamuiSeph
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I has yet another question. What is better, light equip or a good evade set? atm I'm wearing this. Should I switch to silk/phase? HelmetBodyHandsLegsFeetIs the evade worth sacrificing defense? If so, in what cases (vs 1 legendary, 200lvls in item world, cake fest, etc)
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Jun 18 2010, 20:04
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hgbdd
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QUOTE KamuiSeph' date='Jun 18 2010, 18:54' post='723559'] I has yet another question. What is better, light equip or a good evade set? atm I'm wearing this. Should I switch to silk/phase? HelmetBodyHandsLegsFeetIs the evade worth sacrificing defense? If so, in what cases (vs 1 legendary, 200lvls in item world, cake fest, etc) Leather is a totally crap, and DH is almost the same, only some kevlar is good. I'm assuming you're a melee character, if so get 4 pieces of high evade silk, and an heavy plate for body. The heavy should have physical mitigation+ specific mitigations (all 3 ones individually), around what evasion+physical mitigation a body silk gives. Them the rest of the heavy stats would do the rest. Abandon the heavy around +100, and switch to silk (it's a good idea to look right now anyway, and for RL) For cake just stick with a full heavy plate set with the most physical absorption possible. RoB except Gods it's wise to use full silk, because of burden, since they are faster. This post has been edited by cmdct: Jun 18 2010, 20:05
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Jun 18 2010, 20:18
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Ichy
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QUOTE KamuiSeph' date='Jun 18 2010, 19:54' post='723559'] I has yet another question. What is better, light equip or a good evade set? atm I'm wearing this. Should I switch to silk/phase? HelmetBodyHandsLegsFeetIs the evade worth sacrificing defense? If so, in what cases (vs 1 legendary, 200lvls in item world, cake fest, etc) For cake a full heavy set is gold. You can just 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 return for like 100 rounds without looking at the screen. Even works with bad gear. For everything else evade gear is FAR better. Light armor is not really useful if you ask me.
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Jun 18 2010, 20:30
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(Ichy @ Jun 18 2010, 19:18)  For everything else evade gear is FAR better.
Under 100 levels, you can still find a heavy body plate that's better than a evade silk, unless it have evasion with 6 base value. (Well at least I didn't found anyone yet) QUOTE(Ichy @ Jun 18 2010, 19:18)  Light armor is not really useful if you ask me.
I currently have a kevlar helm better than my best cap, because of equipment staking stats. This post has been edited by cmdct: Jun 18 2010, 20:31
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Jun 19 2010, 20:24
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buktore
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Which do you think worth more? 1 Shield / Barrier rating VS 1 Physical / Magical absorb 2 Evade VS 3 Physical / Magical mitigation -------------------- Sometime, I wonder why the game calculated mitigation after absorb.. this is so fucked up (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)
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Jun 19 2010, 20:27
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Golden Sun
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QUOTE 1 Shield / Barrier rating VS 1 Physical / Magical absorb 2 Evade VS 3 Physical / Magical mitigation
Absorb, evade. Edit: of course, with the hp and mp bonuses from end/wis, etc. I would take the rating any day. This post has been edited by Golden Sun: Jun 19 2010, 20:28
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Jun 19 2010, 21:21
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(Golden Sun @ Jun 19 2010, 19:27)  Absorb, evade.
Hem, no. QUOTE(buktore @ Jun 19 2010, 19:24)  Which do you think worth more?
1 Shield / Barrier rating VS 1 Physical / Magical absorb
2 Evade VS 3 Physical / Magical mitigation
1- Absorb, definitely absorb, because the stats only give just a little better protection, I got white and black aura almost in the same time, so I suddenly I got +3 to all stats, and what difference it made? Nothing I could see, in fact I have +8 artifacts stats bonus, and the increase is almost nothing. 2-I assume you're saying +2% evade vs +3% Physical / Magical mitigation, if so mitigation wins. Evade offers the same protection than mitigation in theory (Yes you have absorption first than mitigation, but % miss also came first than evade. i.e. +20% miss means that +40% evasion only gives 0.8*0.4= 0.32%) Your question have to be seen case to case, evasion is good, but have 3 problems than mitigation don't have: -because is higher than mitigation, suffers more with the staking problem (bonus for each piece of equipment aren't added people usually forget that) -Reduce the bonus from effective % block/parry/resist. (This is a real problem for 1HS, a little for 2W/niten) -If the hits are strong, this will make you cast cure, because of crits or bad rolls (Only with RoB or higher levels are a problem normally) In theory the best option would be a mix of gear, but in reality, there's no good heavy gear that drops anymore, and light was made too weak, only the best kevlar are good, but it's like getting Eths, very rare. For melee, the gear should be plate until 40s levels, then switch to 4 pieces of silk still remaining the body plate, then 70-100s depend on how good is the plate, and what good silk you have, then +100 levels, stick to silk only. Another thing is the proficiency, and here the heavy gear gets the most benefit from it (higher values means that +1% bonus is also bigger) QUOTE(buktore @ Jun 19 2010, 19:24)  Sometime, I wonder why the game calculated mitigation after absorb.. this is so fucked up (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) Because that way the used to be overpowered heavy armour would be even more OP (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Jun 19 2010, 21:23
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Golden Sun
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QUOTE Hem, no. QUOTE 2-I assume you're saying +2% evade vs +3% Physical / Magical mitigation, if so mitigation wins. I assumed the opposite. But yes, I agree. Edit: Maybe I misread your post. I meant I assumed he was talking about 3% physical or magical only. This post has been edited by Golden Sun: Jun 19 2010, 21:25
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Jun 19 2010, 21:52
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KamuiSeph
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What is this "staking" thing you keep referring to cmdct?
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