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May 10 2010, 02:40
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Sayo Aisaka
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QUOTE(Golden Sun @ May 9 2010, 19:46)  So I keep on reading about 700 rounds of normal grindfest or some other crazy streak. I can only survive 20 rounds of cakefest without items. What should I do?
There's some good advice here for playing as a mage, but if you're interested in surviving Cakefest without items, the best way to do that at your level is probably to get a set of plate armour, a high block shield, and a weapon with lots of Bleeding Wound.
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May 10 2010, 09:45
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funkafied
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What's the best character build to use for leveling up as fast as possible? Right now I'm a mage and I feel really weak. 
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May 10 2010, 10:43
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yuripe
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QUOTE(funkafied @ May 10 2010, 14:45)  What's the best character build to use for leveling up as fast as possible? Right now I'm a mage and I feel really weak.  1. reset your abilities, and get item slot I, cure, & weaken. weaken make you can survive HV more long. 2. fill your HP, and MP tanks full, and switch to melee fighter cuz for low level, so difficult to survive with mage style(I guess). maybe you can talk to another member that use mage style on ow level cuz most people in here use mage style in high level.
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May 10 2010, 14:25
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Alpha 7
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QUOTE(funkafied @ May 10 2010, 03:45)  What's the best character build to use for leveling up as fast as possible? Right now I'm a mage and I feel really weak.
Yes, get Weaken, Cure, and the Item Slot. When you reach 30, get the Shield spell. Drop the Elemental magic, as it is too weak at this low level. A dagger with high parry and Shield like this one Sayo has plus a Shield will keep you alive and do damage. Or your could go the bleeding Domino Strike Longsword approach. Eventually, you will need a Rapier and start Dual-Wielding. You'll need to be able to use a Rapier when you get past 100, even as a mage. Montage magic to help get your other spell proficiencies up and to continue to raise your Elemental proficiency while you are quick-leveling as a melee tank. High Level Mages need six things: a good Staff, a Rapier (w/Shield or Dagger), and high proficiency in Elemental, Curative, Depreciating, and Supportive magic. Also, save any Elementalist Staff or Armor drops you get as they will be useful later, when you return to mage. As for your Primary Stats. just totally stop adding to WIS/INT until everything else catches up. For now push STR, DEX, and AGI up to END's level, then push the four of them up one level at a time. When these four stats all reach 40, then start adding WIS and INT, too while keeping the first four a few levels above WIS/INT. Because your Stats are so out of line, switching to weapon attack will be a struggle until your low stats start to catch up but, even if you reject the "use weapons" advice and want to remain a mage, you will still need to get your stats balanced as STR and END provide your HPs and DEX and AGI provide your defense.
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May 11 2010, 06:04
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funkafied
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didn't realize how messed up my stats were...
e: what level should i put weaken up to?
This post has been edited by funkafied: May 11 2010, 06:17
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May 11 2010, 06:21
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QUOTE(funkafied @ May 10 2010, 21:04)  e: what level should i put weaken up to?
Where applicable, put all 5 AP in any spell you decide to get.
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May 11 2010, 09:35
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Daishi29
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I wanted to give this little thing a try, and it sounds like it might be fun to try a spellcaster kinda of set-up. What sort of stats and skills should I be looking for?
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May 11 2010, 10:15
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HybridGuardian
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QUOTE(Daishi29 @ May 11 2010, 09:35)  I wanted to give this little thing a try, and it sounds like it might be fun to try a spellcaster kinda of set-up. What sort of stats and skills should I be looking for?
If you want to play a mage, I´d advise you to distribute your main stats as follows: STR DEX at half of your current level (example you have level 20, then 10 points suffice); END AGI WIS at your current level; and INT always 8-10 points above your level. Choose some spells (don´t forget to upgrade every spell you use to full). Be prepared for a hard time... until you reach level 45, you´ll always feel weak... but at level 50 you´ll start to feel sorry for them (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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May 11 2010, 10:25
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Daishi29
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QUOTE(HybridGuardian @ May 11 2010, 10:15)  If you want to play a mage, I´d advise you to distribute your main stats as follows: STR DEX at half of your current level (example you have level 20, then 10 points suffice); END AGI WIS at your current level; and INT always 8-10 points above your level. Choose some spells (don´t forget to upgrade every spell you use to full). Be prepared for a hard time... until you reach level 45, you´ll always feel weak... but at level 50 you´ll start to feel sorry for them (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Ah, I was wondering if I was doing things right since it's been pretty slow going so far. Now for abilities, should I stick with Magic and Health Tank and spells, or just concentrate on spells only? I currently have 2 in EXP, Health, Spirit, and Soul tanks, one in Fireball and one in inferno. I'm not sure if Spirit is going to help me much since the overcharge isn't going up with magic attacks.
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May 11 2010, 10:30
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HybridGuardian
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QUOTE(Daishi29 @ May 11 2010, 10:25)  Ah, I was wondering if I was doing things right since it's been pretty slow going so far. Now for abilities, should I stick with Magic and Health Tank and spells, or just concentrate on spells only?
I currently have 2 in EXP, Health, Spirit, and Soul tanks, one in Fireball and one in inferno. I'm not sure if Spirit is going to help me much since the overcharge isn't going up with magic attacks.
Reset your abilities you shouldn´t spend precious ability points on Health or Soul, take fireball and inferno upgrade to max (also the 2% fire bonus), magic tanks are OK, but don´t distribute to many points in them... I have so far distributed only three points in magic tank, everything else in spells... (but you might want to follow a different strategy, so best decide yourself). Next up should be Cure and Lightning, get them as soon as you can. Also best equipment is cloth armor and a staff. For leveling up go to ItemWorlds..., at your level it was impossible for me to survive more than two rounds of grindfest... This post has been edited by HybridGuardian: May 11 2010, 10:35
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May 11 2010, 10:52
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Daishi29
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QUOTE(HybridGuardian @ May 11 2010, 10:30)  Reset your abilities you shouldn´t spend precious ability points on Health or Soul, take fireball and inferno upgrade to max (also the 2% fire bonus), magic tanks are OK, but don´t distribute to many points in them... I have so far distributed only three points in magic tank, everything else in spells... (but you might want to follow a different strategy, so best decide yourself). Next up should be Cure and Lightning, get them as soon as you can.
Also best equipment is cloth armor and a staff. For leveling up go to ItemWorlds..., at your level it was impossible for me to survive more than two rounds of grindfest...
What would you say for Auras? I was debating about trying to put an ability point into getting a Red or Orange aura.
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May 11 2010, 11:04
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HybridGuardian
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QUOTE(Daishi29 @ May 11 2010, 10:52)  What would you say for Auras? I was debating about trying to put an ability point into getting a Red or Orange aura.
Do as you think is right... I first got the green aura, then blue and indigo. (Green for END / BLUE for WIS / INDIGO for INT).
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May 11 2010, 12:12
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(Daishi29 @ May 11 2010, 08:35)  I wanted to give this little thing a try, and it sounds like it might be fun to try a spellcaster kinda of set-up. What sort of stats and skills should I be looking for?
Well if you don't hate melee character, it's better in lower levels to be one, it's cheaper and more efective since you don't have much mana pool for spells. QUOTE(HybridGuardian @ May 11 2010, 09:15)  If you want to play a pure mage, I´d advise you to distribute your main stats as follows: STR DEX at half of your current level (example you have level 20, then 10 points suffice); END AGI WIS at your current level; and INT always 8-10 points above your level. Choose some spells (don´t forget to upgrade every spell you use to full). Be prepared for a hard time... until you reach level 45, you´ll always feel weak... but at level 50 you´ll start to feel sorry for them (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Lol no wonder you got problems with bosses, this is totally wrong, true STR and DEX are the less important stats for a mage, but you lose a lot of shield rating, less base HP, getting strong hits, plus INT above 8-10 levels, will only getting a little small power reward, for losing much more defences. You should get INT/WIS/AGI/END at your level, and STR/DEX equally behind (DEX is useful for hits when you try ET) QUOTE(HybridGuardian @ May 11 2010, 09:30)  Reset your abilities you shouldn´t spend precious ability points on Health or Soul, take fireball and inferno upgrade to max (also the 2% fire bonus), magic tanks are OK, but don´t distribute to many points in them... I have so far distributed only three points in magic tank, everything else in spells... (but you might want to follow a different strategy, so best decide yourself). Next up should be Cure and Lightning, get them as soon as you can.
Also best equipment is cloth armor and a staff. For leveling up go to ItemWorlds..., at your level it was impossible for me to survive more than two rounds of grindfest...
No wonder, the best approach is: Get weaken, shield and cure, max the first tier of fire and elec max MP tanks, then when you can fill up HP tanks, haste. The rest of spells (holy/cold) are for using against bosses, and wind for konata which you don't need to worry about now. When you have more AP to spare get the higher tier of fire/elec with ratings. Until then you can kill the occasional bosses with magic missile. This post has been edited by cmdct: May 11 2010, 12:14
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May 11 2010, 12:20
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HybridGuardian
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QUOTE(cmdct @ May 11 2010, 12:12)  Well if you don't hate melee character,... Lol no wonder you got problems with bosses, this is totally wrong,...
(IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) on the contrary, it payed off to stay faithful to the magehood... bosses aren´t much of a problem anymore, last time I encountered White Bunneh and if it wasn´t for a mana shortage that littel freak isn´t much of a problem anymore (to bad he appeared in level 30 IW and I already used all but one average mana draught). You guys are just MAGEHATERS! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) I reached the point where I can proudly say HV has become almost too easy... (it was sooo hard before)! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) This post has been edited by HybridGuardian: May 11 2010, 12:23
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May 11 2010, 12:55
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(HybridGuardian @ May 11 2010, 11:20)  (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) on the contrary, it payed off to stay faithful to the magehood... bosses aren´t much of a problem anymore, last time I encountered White Bunneh and if it wasn´t for a mana shortage that littel freak isn´t much of a problem anymore (to bad he appeared in level 30 IW and I already used all but one average mana draught). At your level I could go beyond +100 rounds in IW already and kill bosses. QUOTE(HybridGuardian @ May 11 2010, 11:20)  You guys are just MAGEHATERS! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Sure I'm such MAGEHATER that my highest prof is elemental, staff prof is almost close to the 1H/shield, I spent 99% of time in the previous 20 levels maging, and I will go on for more 30 levels, my my I such a bad child (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) QUOTE(HybridGuardian @ May 11 2010, 11:20)  I reached the point where I can proudly say HV has become almost too easy... (it was sooo hard before)! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Of course you only reached the recommended minimum level for maging, but still less efective than melee, talk later when you can do +100 rounds of NormalFest (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) This post has been edited by cmdct: May 11 2010, 12:58
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May 11 2010, 14:37
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HybridGuardian
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QUOTE(cmdct @ May 11 2010, 12:55)  At your level I could go beyond +100 rounds in IW already and kill bosses.
(IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) well, I am not using good potions atm... (only the lower and average, I am saving my stuff for the real battles at the arena... I guess I could make it to level 100, if I´d waste my precious superior manapotions, or godly or my elexiers...) I am running out of mana pretty fast in general, everthing else is easy as cake... QUOTE(cmdct @ May 11 2010, 12:55)  Sure I'm such MAGEHATER that my highest prof is elemental, staff prof is almost close to the 1H/shield, I spent 99% of time in the previous 20 levels maging, and I will go on for more 30 levels, my my I such a bad child (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Nah, I meant everyone should play the character he/she/it wishes and if he wants to be a mage, let him... it has it´s advantages... QUOTE(cmdct @ May 11 2010, 12:55)  Of course you only reached the recommended minimum level for maging, but still less efective than melee, talk later when you can do +100 rounds of NormalFest (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) I thought this was "ask the experts" *looks at level* "not ask the ascendends" (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Want a challange... I am willing to waste my most precious potions and draughts to see how far I can make it in the grindfest (normal)? I´ll post the result in the highest level achieved in arena/grindfest thread, c ya! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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May 11 2010, 14:48
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(HybridGuardian @ May 11 2010, 13:37)  (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) well, I am not using good potions atm... (only the lower and average, I am saving my stuff for the real battles at the arena... I guess I could make it to level 100, if I´d waste my precious superior manapotions, or godly or my elexiers...) I am running out of mana pretty fast in general, everthing else is easy as cake... I also used lessers and averages, but in arenas too, the others only in special cases (like clearing a new arena for the first time) QUOTE(HybridGuardian @ May 11 2010, 13:37)  Nah, I meant everyone should play the character he/she/it wishes and if he wants to be a mage, let him... it has it´s advantages...
Of course that's why I said first if you don't have being melee lol What's so good in this game is that you can which easily from different styles easily, but much easier to do it on higher levels. QUOTE(HybridGuardian @ May 11 2010, 13:37)  I thought this was "ask the experts" *looks at level* "not ask the ascendends" (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) LOL Let's try to not awake the "GodSlayers" before they kill us all (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) QUOTE(HybridGuardian @ May 11 2010, 13:37)  Want a challange... I am willing to waste my most precious potions and draughts to see how far I can make it in the grindfest (normal)? I´ll post the result in the highest level achieved in arena/grindfest thread, c ya! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) I was mentioning without items, but try your best (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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May 12 2010, 00:04
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funkafied
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Right now I have Blue and Indigo auras, if i'm doing the melee fighter thing until i get high enough level to mage good should I just pick the mage auras for now?
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May 12 2010, 00:06
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Golden Sun
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yes, you can't change auras. although red/yellow are useful for both classes.
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May 12 2010, 00:20
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20200
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QUOTE(HybridGuardian @ May 11 2010, 05:37)  I thought this was "ask the experts" *looks at level* "not ask the ascendends" (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Unless your questions are about beating Legendaries at the end of arena battles or beating the Trio and the Tree, you probably don't need me to answer. I'll preemptively answer those questions: 1) The same way you do in Ring of Blood, except you have to fight them after a long slog. 2) I added the trio and the tree's elemental weaknesses to the bestiary. Hit them with those spells. This post has been edited by Boggyb: May 12 2010, 00:27
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