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post Jan 22 2012, 00:37
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QUOTE(Hoheneim @ Jan 21 2012, 17:23) *

Don't underestimate the force of will of a crazy newbie.

Signed: a crazy newbie niten user.

Really, Niten Ichiryu is what let me level from level 60 onwards on Hard. Without it and expecially after the latest patch I' wouldn't have progressed at all. Not in a reasonable amount of time...

I want Niten to be good. I have an awesome Niten set. I used it for a long time. It just sucks because of its mechanics.
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post Jan 22 2012, 00:46
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QUOTE(Hoheneim @ Jan 22 2012, 05:23) *

Don't underestimate the force of will of a crazy newbie.

Signed: a crazy newbie niten user.

Really, Niten Ichiryu is what let me level from level 60 onwards on Hard. Without it and expecially after the latest patch I' wouldn't have progressed at all. Not in a reasonable amount of time...


I Niten until about lv 220 I think (along with a DW set and occasional straight katana for 2H prof). Then I got an eth estoc... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

My 2 cent: Niten works well at low level if you're well disciplined at training prof. It has huge bleed chance, huge accuracy, nice parry, and high critical ... All of these helps low lv player immensely. And since it still have same length as normal 2H (at low level), you don't lost much, yet!

As your lv higher, thought, it became shittier and shittier ... Eventually, 200 2H prof will be reach, which doom any lingering sympathy you still have with Niten; I tried lying myself countless time that it still good. I failed...

It just sad that I didn't feel anything when I got this katana ... well, if it's an eth... I might actually excite a little. (link provided just to troll you (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) )

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post Jan 22 2012, 02:48
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QUOTE(varst @ Jan 21 2012, 21:36) *

@wr4st3r
Well as far as I know primary stat doesn't matter that much if you keep them fairly balanced.
You may find yourself playing in lower difficulty, but that's normal; the advantage of mage is its clearing speed.

Pick a destruction staff and a set of EDB phases. (even shitty EDB is better than max elementals)
You can pretty much skip that elemental transition phase with your level.
Then pick arcane focus, one tier 3 elemental spell, and one complement tier 1 elemental spell.
If you have anything you want to level up, use your elemental set to play through IW.
It surely makes things less boring, and you'll have a definite target.

If you have enough credits, you can also transit to holy/dark mage, but that's a big credit sink.


QUOTE((Cheater) Tiap @ Jan 21 2012, 21:36) *

Gossamer is not that bad, I do my daily FSM on BT with a crappy underleveled Heaven-sent set and have no problems.
It's just that Phase is better. Higher damage, higher evade, better attribute bonuses, no burden, etc.

As for proficiencies, it doesn't take that long provided you're not powerleveling.
I had ~20 Forbidden prof at level 220, then I started doing all my arenas using Dark magic and by the time I was ~245 it was already maxed out.
Assimilator can speed things up a lot (getting to 5/10 costs only a million).


Thanks for the feedback guys, much appreciated.

Maybe I'll try with Gossamer since I already bought the sets, cannot hurt I guess.
Or I'll just get some cheapass, ultra low EDB Mjolnir or Freyr phase... Elec comboes with Wind right?
Though I see everyone goes with Elec+Fire...

The reason I haven't already started doing this is that I only have 2 levels of Violet Aura, and my magic hit chance is pretty bad.
I think I'll get one more level @ 230, and then see what's best next...
Was actually going for Yellow+Green+Blue V as soon as I hit 250, but as I keep missing too many spells (it literally kills me in marathons, cannot afford that with Heavy armor), will probably just go for Violet III + Yellow V + Green V, Elementals don't hit me anyway - if they do, I'm kinda done for lol.

QUOTE(dcherry @ Jan 21 2012, 21:49) *

I have a very strong suspicion that magic prof grows at a much quicker rate than melee prof


Can't really say much about mages, but playing with a 2H Mace, armor prof gain is damn slow, pretty much because of stun, while 2H prof goes up decently.

I had over 100 armor proficiency when I switched from 1H to 2H (that was about lv.110-120), now my 2H proficiency stands at 214 (is really catching up lately), while armor is still at 182 and goes up ultra slow.
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post Jan 22 2012, 02:49
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Think I would get in trouble if I bookmarked all my monster pages and opened them all at once?
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post Jan 22 2012, 03:12
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i've rapidly backspaced-clicked to get items without incident, it's not like the game checks for loot more than once every hour per mob

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post Jan 22 2012, 05:06
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QUOTE(dcherry @ Jan 21 2012, 22:49) *

And yeah, the prof will naturally go up very quickly as Tiap mentioned. Nowadays we have the luxury of transitioning to EDB phase so easily and cheaply. I have a very strong suspicion that magic prof grows at a much quicker rate than melee prof


i'd have to agree on the proficiencies.

started converting to mage about a week ago.

my staff that i actually tried leveling, probably went through about 100+ rounds of easy crysfest of just straight meleeing, and is only at 23 right now. extremely boring btw.

my divine on the otherhand is 50, and the only time i use that is during my BT hourlies + 1-3 rounds of BT grindfest with the occasional soul harvests and chain lightnings on celestials and mechs.

edit: both proficiencies started at 0 btw

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post Jan 22 2012, 07:55
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QUOTE(dcherry @ Jan 22 2012, 04:49) *
I have a very strong suspicion that magic prof grows at a much quicker rate than melee prof

This is true~

QUOTE(skillchip @ Jan 22 2012, 08:49) *
Think I would get in trouble if I bookmarked all my monster pages and opened them all at once?

Probably not. It's a pain when you have 30+ critters (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Jan 22 2012, 08:49
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Thats why I'm hoping I can just open a group of bookmarks to check all of them at once
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post Jan 22 2012, 11:17
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QUOTE(qqaaqq @ Jan 22 2012, 10:06) *

my staff that i actually tried leveling, probably went through about 100+ rounds of easy crysfest of just straight meleeing, and is only at 23 right now. extremely boring btw.

true, kinda bored do it many times daily after reaching 50 prof. I only do it once-twice per day now and without spending any mana pot (last about 40 rounds and gaining about 1.5 prof points for both staff and cloth per run).
it will eventually catch up this way.
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post Jan 22 2012, 20:02
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QUOTE(Ballistic9 @ Jan 21 2012, 22:55) *

Probably not. It's a pain when you have 30+ critters (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)


How many monsters can you create in the lab? It sounded like you said you had over 30 monsters.
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post Jan 22 2012, 20:42
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QUOTE(DSpooky @ Jan 22 2012, 18:02) *

How many monsters can you create in the lab? It sounded like you said you had over 30 monsters.


there is no limit, and there are a few people with 30-40 monsters. dont know if anyone has over 50 yet
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post Jan 22 2012, 21:08
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QUOTE(4EverLost @ Jan 22 2012, 19:42) *

there is no limit, and there are a few people with 30-40 monsters. dont know if anyone has over 50 yet


Yeah, the only limit is basically the Chaos Token cost, which gets ultra high when you have like 40 monsters.
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post Jan 22 2012, 21:59
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I've searched around, but I couldn't find an exact answer for a simple question I think should be covered in the wiki...

I understand the duration of items' effects is fixed and that scrolls' effects should last longer than the same ones granted by spells, but that's about it.

What is the exact duration of the various scrolls an infusions effects? I believe it's important, expecially for someone trying to weigh his chances in the Ring of Blood and such.
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post Jan 22 2012, 22:17
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Hi. I'm lvl 40 now. What equip do I need to get and which stats to pump up now? I have fine katana of slaughter and some crappy armour (don't know how to get their links). Following stats:
str 55
dex 40
agi 31
end 40
int 1
wis 24
Abilities trained: exp bonus 12, ht 12, mt 9, slots, cure.
Thanks.

Also, should I play on hard difficulty as of now or switch to normal?

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post Jan 22 2012, 23:33
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Your likely going to need to stick with normal until things have been figured out of the new patch.

Your ability tree seems fine with what you got.
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post Jan 23 2012, 01:41
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Is this formula correct? I keep getting 35.25 when I should be getting 34.1 (according to the stat pane).
If I switch to an empty set (equip_bonus = 0) it does work, though.
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post Jan 23 2012, 01:44
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QUOTE(Hoheneim @ Jan 22 2012, 12:59) *

I've searched around, but I couldn't find an exact answer for a simple question I think should be covered in the wiki...

I understand the duration of items' effects is fixed and that scrolls' effects should last longer than the same ones granted by spells, but that's about it.

What is the exact duration of the various scrolls an infusions effects? I believe it's important, expecially for someone trying to weigh his chances in the Ring of Blood and such.


Going by memory I have something like Scrolls cast the buff as if your prof is 200. Infusions last 40 turns or so. Hopefully someone that's more confident in their memory will speak up
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post Jan 23 2012, 01:56
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QUOTE((Cheater) Tiap @ Jan 22 2012, 23:41) *

Is this formula correct? I keep getting 35.25 when I should be getting 34.1 (according to the stat pane).
If I switch to an empty set (equip_bonus = 0) it does work, though.


Are you factoring in the loss from burden?
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post Jan 23 2012, 01:59
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Yes, 34.1 is what I get with 0 burden
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post Jan 23 2012, 02:09
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hmmm, not sure what to tell you
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