[X] My Assistant

I should probably start a grindfest run to see how far I can go. It seems so funny.

Question to mages: what's your base AGI and Action Speed?
Liselotte and friends keep double hitting me, and it's been getting increasingly annoying (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

309/13/20, action speed 214.
Don't have any trouble playing in hell.

I'm strongly leaning toward making a Freyr suit myself, though nothing is set in stone yet.

Personally I would say there's not that much difference if you're playing in normal/hard only.
Everything dies within 2 hits, so only your accuracy and damage output metters.
I primarily use surtr, and still I have no problem blasting through giants.

Where does everybody get their credits/hath from? I've got 7 hath right now, but it's taken me quite a while. 6 days so far. And credits are hard to come by now that I've done the arena up to level 60. You don't get a lot for completing it after the first time.

Leveling up is the only way you can get more credits.

Cheater, so using elemental magic you can go 1k rounds without using any items? How? At this point I am chiefly relying on chain lighting to wipe out most of my enemies in a round, after that hit them with a fire spell, usually the weakest since the burst will kill them if the fire does not. Then only element I have not really tried using so far is wind, but there are times when I wonder if it might be better for me to look into getting holy equip and focusing more on holy magic. At this point the only PC monster that will survive a blast without serious damage from my lightning is an undead or elemental.

You are too low level right now to one-shot entire rounds consistently, you should at the very least wait until you get Arcane Focus before trying.
And no, you're not going to get to round 1000 without using potions (unless you're extremely lucky and get a truckload of Mana Gems along the way).

Personally I would say there's not that much difference if you're playing in normal/hard only.
Everything dies within 2 hits, so only your accuracy and damage output metters.
I primarily use surtr, and still I have no problem blasting through giants.

Yeah, every time I switch back to Normal or Hard it surprises me how quickly everything dies. I play on Heroic, but I'd like to settle into Nightmare or Hell as my main difficulty setting for the non-schoolgirl arenas. I can do most of my arenas on Nightmare, but it's slow and not really easy; the leap in difficulty between Heroic and Nightmare definitely exposes the Elementalist suffix, I think. It just seems like most of the monsters I encounter are either weak to or neutral to wind, making it seem like a favorable choice to me. But maybe holy/dark is ultimately better for arenas on higher difficulty settings anyway, making element choice moot.

I do not think using Chain Lightning all the time is good strategy. Compared to Thunderstorm, its mana cost is 2x, while dmg is definitely less than twice. Hard to say, but if I had gun at my temple I'd say 15-25% more dmg. Without AF it's just not worth it, even though you do get more debuffs.

Of course, the more % based dmg modifiers, the more damage increase using higher tier. But, before 130, Id not use CL except when trying to blow up a boss guard instantly.

Beasts and undead are annoying, though.

Somehow I doubt there's whole lot of 200+ undead.

Don't expect too much or you'll be disappointed.

they weren't so hard after all.

And no, you're not going to get to round 1000 without using potions (unless you're extremely lucky and get a truckload of Mana Gems along the way).

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But maybe holy/dark is ultimately better for arenas on higher difficulty settings anyway, making element choice moot.

I don't even want to try playing in hell or above difficulty with my elemental suit.
The problem with elemental set is that there're four elements.

they weren't so hard after all.

Good. Now try that on heoric.

Good. Now try that on heoric.

after beating it on hard first (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Good. Now try that on heoric.

I suppose it's a really hard arena for mages?

Meleeing it on Heroic isn't really much of a trouble (they don't resist crush, you don't even need an Ethereal), I even kill the gods on random order without noticing (after the Tree ofc) lol...

Even though it is cheaper to by demonfiend/heaven-sent gossamer, you still need to take into account the cross-multiplication of EDB and Proficiency. This is what causes EDB to be a lot better then Proficiency gear.

Lets look at level 300 gear. With 300 Proficiency and no Staff.

A maxed set of Prof Gossamer gear (less then exquisite) will give you 226.1 proficiency. While a max Phase EDB set (less then exquisite) will give you 167.86 EDB.

Prof Gear (1+(300+226.1)/200)*(1+0)= 3.6305 times damage
EDB Gear (1+300/200)*(1+167.86/100)= 6.6965 times damage

Prof gear could give you the ability to blast with multiple elements if it is elementalist, but other then that phase is superior if you are looking at it this way. Also phase gives you higher PABs meaning slightly more damage as well

I said about equal. And for 2 prof for 1 EDB. Phase of course has higher stats possible.
And yes, phase has higher values in the other stats as well.
The point I was making is that gossamer is still pretty good, although not as good as phase.
It is however far superior in efficiency vs cost to buy on the forums, where a gossamer piece half as good as a phase piece costs less than a tenth as much. And usually far less than a tenth even. Giving you a full set of decent gossamer gear for much less than a single decent phase piece.

Where does everybody get their credits/hath from? I've got 7 hath right now, but it's taken me quite a while. 6 days so far. And credits are hard to come by now that I've done the arena up to level 60. You don't get a lot for completing it after the first time.

Hentai@home network.
Look for the thread on the forum about it, basically you run a client for the network to store and upload pictures for the hentai-site and you get rewarded for it with hath and GP.
You also gain GP from getting hits and view on your galleries posted on the hentai-site, and with some really popular ones, you gain a lot of GP. And GP can then be turned into credits.
Some of the really big posters of popular galleries are probably making millions of credits per month from it.

That means the chance to get the energy drink is very low. Kind of odd that I got 3 artifacts in one night from IW grinding, then after that no more.

Yeah, but not everyone use energy drinks.
I don't play that much that I go below 80 in stamina, so no point for me in using them.
So I've got 14 energy drinks stored up.
If you want, I'll trade them to you, 1 energy drink for 1 artifact.
I want the AP and stat points instead.

I suppose it's a really hard arena for mages?

It's actually so easy that mages clear it in like 2-3 mins on hard.

I said about equal. And for 2 prof for 1 EDB. Phase of course has higher stats possible.
And yes, phase has higher values in the other stats as well.
The point I was making is that gossamer is still pretty good, although not as good as phase.
It is however far superior in efficiency vs cost to buy on the forums, where a gossamer piece half as good as a phase piece costs less than a tenth as much. And usually far less than a tenth even. Giving you a full set of decent gossamer gear for much less than a single decent phase piece.

1. 2 prof. = 1 EDB IF AND ONLY IF you have 0 proficiency. Once you have more prof., EDB clearly wins.
I have made a mistake on this a long time ago, so I'm quite sure about that.

2. It depends on how you define 'efficiency'.
I can always grab a whole set of high prof. demon-fiend which only costs about 1% of my fenrir set, while suffering a 50% decrease in damage output.
With fenrir suit I can play in hell difficulty, which I may have a chance to obtain good gears.
With demon-fiend suit I can only play in hard/heroic, which I don't see any chance of getting good gears.
Will you still call that efficient?

I'm not saying that gossamers are rubbish, but as Ichy have said, they're for poor men.
As soon as you've earned enough credits you should start finding phases.

This post has been edited by varst: Jan 12 2012, 19:38

1. 2 prof. = 1 EDB IF AND ONLY IF you have 0 proficiency. Once you have more prof., EDB clearly wins.
I have made a mistake on this a long time ago, so I'm quite sure about that.

Yeah, this seems crystal clear to me...

I mean once you cap proficiencies (or are somewhat close to it), what's the point of have a full +prof. suit, when those bonus will be essentially be nullified (as they cannot exceed the prof cap) by the hard cap?

2. It depends on how you define 'efficiency'.
I can always grab a whole set of high prof. demon-fiend which only costs about 1% of my fenrir set, while suffering a 50% decrease in damage output.
With fenrir suit I can play in hell difficulty, which I may have a chance to obtain good gears.
With demon-fiend suit I can only play in hard/heroic, which I don't see any chance of getting good gears.
Will you still call that efficient?

I'm not saying that gossamers are rubbish, but as Ichy have said, they're for poor men.
As soon as you've earned enough credits you should start finding phases.

Maybe he meant that as like more affordable for lowbies...

As for myself, I had to go Gossamer because as I have 0 elemental/divine/forbidden profieciency, that cannot be good lol.
And hell, 3x (Elementalist, Heaven-Sent, Demon-Fiend) very decent full Gossamer set cost like an about average (if not lower) Phase gear...

I mean once you cap proficiencies (or are somewhat close to it), what's the point of have a full +prof. suit, when those bonus will be essentially be nullified (as they cannot exceed the prof cap) by the hard cap?
Maybe he meant that as like more affordable for lowbies...

As for myself, I had to go Gossamer because as I have 0 elemental/divine/forbidden profieciency, that cannot be good lol.
And hell, 3x (Elementalist, Heaven-Sent, Demon-Fiend) very decent full Gossamer set cost like an about average (if not lower) Phase gear...

You only get a hard cap on your character's prof.
Equipment's prof. still adds after the cap, thus the effective prof. can be higher than your level.
(damn I should rewrite that sentence in wiki, so many players get that confused...)

Only natural proficiencies are capped, effective proficiencies are not.



Edit: ninja'd.

This post has been edited by (Cheater) Tiap: Jan 12 2012, 19:57

Oh whoa so they can go beyond that? Good to know!

Though I guess that's not happening unless you want to show off with some Gossamer or something lol...

(damn I should rewrite that sentence in wiki, so many players get that confused...)

I took a different crack at it.
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Proficiencies#Gains

This post has been edited by Maximum_Joe: Jan 12 2012, 20:26

mmmm i thought both base and effective is seen on the character page? might cause confusion. maybe state that it's located in the scroll section

e: "under statistics"

This post has been edited by dcherry: Jan 12 2012, 20:29

When getting the +stats and you max it out with +20 on all, does the system stop giving you stats as a reward and give you other stuff? Or does it give you a +stat and you lose out on it since it doesn't go any higher.

gives you other stuff.