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post Jan 3 2012, 19:30
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What's so good about destruct kataloxes?
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post Jan 3 2012, 20:08
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I must confess I do not get it either. With how small base MDB is on Katalox, destr suffix only adds small measure when compared to how much dark fenrir would add.
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post Jan 3 2012, 20:18
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In higher level Arena fights, should I stick with my 2H sword since I have higher proficiency in it? I just need to finish it for getting credits to boost my Scavenger.
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post Jan 3 2012, 20:26
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QUOTE(rpgman1 @ Jan 3 2012, 10:18) *

In higher level Arena fights, should I stick with my 2H sword since I have higher proficiency in it? I just need to finish it for getting credits to boost my Scavenger.


Two handed weapons are pretty much the way to go for Arenas in this game. If you have a decent Mace lying around that may help you clear out the arena faster though (the stun proc is pretty awesome). What were you going to use otherwise?
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post Jan 3 2012, 20:41
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QUOTE(Mr. Plow @ Jan 3 2012, 13:26) *

Two handed weapons are pretty much the way to go for Arenas in this game. If you have a decent Mace lying around that may help you clear out the arena faster though (the stun proc is pretty awesome). What were you going to use otherwise?

My other weapon is a ethereal shortsword and shield I got from enemy drops in the Arena, but I don't have much proficiency with it. Trying to farm for ethereal katanas and shade equipment in the distant future.
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post Jan 3 2012, 20:56
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QUOTE(Valheran @ Jan 3 2012, 19:08) *
With how small base MDB is on Katalox, destr suffix only adds small measure when compared to how much dark fenrir would add.

Ebony and Katalox have the highest MDB.
And besides, MDB has a lower scaling factor than EDB (the lower the factor, the faster it scales).
A level 300 non-Exquisite, non-reforged Destruction Katalox with max base values would give you ~517 MDB and ~22.68 EDB; a Fenrir Katalox with similar characteristics would give ~329 MDB and ~50 EDB.
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post Jan 3 2012, 21:30
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QUOTE(buktore @ Jan 3 2012, 08:24) *

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0. Use 2H (Scythe work best for this purpose, but not needed) and Haste.
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3. Use Scroll of Swiftness. (for extra Haste)
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eh? wiki said it doesn't stack. has it been changed ?

I had never used scroll & infusion before, how long do they last?
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post Jan 3 2012, 21:36
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QUOTE(aiwotorimodose @ Jan 3 2012, 14:30) *

eh? wiki said it doesn't stack. has it been changed ?

I had never used scroll & infusion before, how long do they last?

Infusions last for 20 turns for me. I haven't tried any other infusions yet. As for scrolls, they seem to last 40 turns. Of course, I haven't tried all the scrolls yet.
For higher level Arena fights, do I need to carry more Health potions or Mana potions? I'm mostly a melee fighter who mostly uses supportive and deprecating magic (besides Cure).

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post Jan 3 2012, 21:56
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QUOTE(aiwotorimodose @ Jan 4 2012, 02:30) *

eh? wiki said it doesn't stack. has it been changed ?

I had never used scroll & infusion before, how long do they last?


Huh...? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Can you link the wiki page that mentioned this? ... For as long as I remember, they stack, and its effects can be noticed easily. Its impossible for them to not stack. I mean, what is the point of using it if it don't stack? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

The info you have been reading are probably outdated. In the older days it's also stack as well, but didn't actually give any benefits. This is not the case now.

Scroll and infusion doesn't last long. For melee, its not worth it most of the time and you usually need it only for certain special scenario, or as I stated in that post, for the lulz.

@ rpgman1

HP potion will become totally worthless to be carry in battle at some point in your HV life, depends on the equipment you use and how much Sup/Cur prof you have. If you get less HP from Health pot than the HP restored from casting Cure from the same quality Mana pot, then it might be a better idea to ditch HP pot and just carry Mana, depend on the situation, of course.

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post Jan 3 2012, 21:59
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QUOTE(buktore @ Jan 3 2012, 20:56) *

Huh...? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Can you link the wiki page that mentioned this? ... For as long as I remember, they stack. Its impossible for them to not stack. I mean, what is the point of using it if it don't stack? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

The info you have been reading are probably outdated. In the older days it's also stack as well, but didn't actually give any benefits. This is not the case now.

Scroll and infusion doesn't last long. For melee, its not worth it most of the time and you usually need it for certain special scenario, or as I stated in that post, for the lulz.

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Can be used along with their respective spells but the effects do not stack (the stronger of the two will take priority).

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Scrolls#Scrolls
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post Jan 3 2012, 22:50
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QUOTE(roadgray @ Jan 4 2012, 02:59) *


That doesn't look right to me... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) ... Probably an outdated info as I said earlier.

Haste from scroll did gives more action speed in the past than from the spell version, but now it grant the same effect (at least that what it said in the battle description) ... So the 'Stronger of the two will take priority' is obviously false. Same goes to Shadow veil. Though I'm not quite sure how SV work if you have both of them at once, but I guess they just stack in a multiplicative fashion.

'Protection' from scroll are completely different from spell version and they work independently from each other. You can have both at the same time.

Spark and Absorb from scroll work alongside with spell version. So if you have both the spell and scroll version of Absorb active, it will basically work like you have 2 absorb layer, with the scroll version at the front (i.e. activate first) and the spell version in the back.


Unless I missed something, like Tenb said something about this in some obscure place (link to the source if anyone want to correct me) ... I'm pretty sure what I said is correct. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Jan 3 2012, 23:08
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Mar 13 2011, 22:16) *
QUOTE(Sayo Aisaka @ Mar 13 2011, 20:41) *

Well, that's the big question. Previously, using a Scroll would make your action speed hit the cap, so Haste couldn't add anything. Now... who knows? It would be easy enough to find out, though.


I guess I could just answer that. Yes, they stack.


Also found this while rummaging around:
QUOTE(Tenboro @ May 12 2011, 20:56) *
In some far future patch, proficiency will likely no longer affect damage directly. It might affect stuff like cast time, interruption chance, target chaining, the width/length of column and cone AoEs, the diameter/range of targeted/self-centered AoEs, and stuff like that. But since we don't have any of that in today's system, it won't, yet. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Oh boy. I can already smell the shitstorm.
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post Jan 3 2012, 23:15
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QUOTE(rpgman1 @ Jan 3 2012, 10:41) *

My other weapon is a ethereal shortsword and shield I got from enemy drops in the Arena, but I don't have much proficiency with it. Trying to farm for ethereal katanas and shade equipment in the distant future.


Well, it probably depends on the stats of the specific weapons, but in a general sense the 2H is probably still the better bet. With larger mobs, Domino Strike becomes vital for sure.
Good luck farming ethereals and shade, I have yet to find one ethereal weapon on my own (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)
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post Jan 3 2012, 23:20
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QUOTE((Cheater) Tiap @ Jan 4 2012, 05:08) *

Oh boy. I can already smell the shitstorm.


By the time those features are implemented HV will have 3D graphics and I'll have a flying car (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Jan 3 2012, 23:29
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I'm not planing to switch to mage any time soon, but I've been maintaining a mageing set for if/when I do, but I don't know shit about staffs. What should I be looking for when choosing a staff?

Here's all the staffs I own.
Superior willow staff of destruction
Average ebony staff of the owl
Fine oak staff of the earth-walker
Average redwood staff of the fox
Average redwood staff of focus
Average redwood staff of the owl
Fine redwood staff of destruction
Superior redwood staff of the owl
Fair willow staff of the owl
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post Jan 3 2012, 23:30
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QUOTE((Cheater) Tiap @ Jan 4 2012, 04:08) *

Also found this while rummaging around:

Oh boy. I can already smell the shitstorm.


That may, or may not, be a consequence of this ... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

QUOTE(buktore @ Apr 16 2011, 21:35) *
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  • Change AoE spells properties to suits their namesake. Example: Tier.1 spells hits a 'cluster' of enemy (IE: 5 max), Meteor hits random monster slot for x times, Chain Lightning bounce from one monster to the next with less damage for x times or until missed or resisted, etc. ... Current mage gameplay right now is so... uninspired. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)
    ...


But mage still had the EDB damage bug plus some other back than, hence my request suggestion. If he implement the thing he said back than into the current HV now... Oh god, I couldn't even imagine! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

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post Jan 4 2012, 03:06
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QUOTE(buktore @ Jan 4 2012, 00:30) *

That may, or may not, be a consequence of this ... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
But mage still had the EDB damage bug plus some other back than, hence my request suggestion. If he implement the thing he said back than into the current HV now... Oh god, I couldn't even imagine! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)



You've doomed us all! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

Well... not really. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Jan 4 2012, 04:44
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QUOTE(sigo8 @ Jan 3 2012, 13:29) *

I'm not planing to switch to mage any time soon, but I've been maintaining a mageing set for if/when I do, but I don't know shit about staffs. What should I be looking for when choosing a staff?

Here's all the staffs I own.
Superior willow staff of destruction
Average ebony staff of the owl
Fine oak staff of the earth-walker
Average redwood staff of the fox
Average redwood staff of focus
Average redwood staff of the owl
Fine redwood staff of destruction
Superior redwood staff of the owl
Fair willow staff of the owl


For elemental spells, you will want an Ebony Staff of Destruction. For Holy/Dark spells, you will want a Katalox Staff of Destruction. You will want your staff to have high MDM, EDB, Proficiency, and later when you start relying on it, a good ET rate and duration. When you first start out though, you might do yourself better by finding an Ebony or Katalox (depending on which spells you're using) staff with the Focus suffix, as that will increase your Magic Accuracy to help reduce misses.
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post Jan 4 2012, 05:47
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I got my 1st Artifact from the Item World where I delved into the Fine Ethereal Shortsword of Balance, which is an ASHPD Portal Gun. Is there any use for the artifact besides offering to the Shrine?
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post Jan 4 2012, 05:51
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No, so sell those artifacts to players or shrine them.
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