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post Dec 22 2017, 21:50
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But someone has still to be willing to pay what you want for it. If you take too much for that service people will thing quintuply before they will take use of your service.
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post Dec 22 2017, 21:57
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Dec 22 2017, 17:49) *

and then the market will get rid of you automatically (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Then it is a profit ┐( ̄∀ ̄)┌ for you. Being taken ouf of the market, that is.






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post Dec 22 2017, 21:59
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IW has emotional cost, too. Feels bad if you don't work fast enough.
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post Dec 22 2017, 21:59
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But making no money means no profit. Am i missing something? Means profit something different where you life? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Dec 22 2017, 22:09
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If you can make 10 dollars a hour shoveling snow, being kicked out of your dirt shoveling job at 8 dollars a hour isn't necessarily ┐(︶▽︶)┌ a bad thing. Cost of opportunity Uncley (o^ ^o) . Right now any of the last 3 SG arenas is more profitable time-wise due to trophy cost as long as you can clear them in a reasonable amount of time C= C= C= C=┌( `ー´)┘ so the only people that could ever think about it are the ones that will do these 3 + any more run a day but still can't profit of Fest. And I am not really sure if TTaTT wouldn't also be more worthy of the effort too in credit terms.

QUOTE(qw3rty67 @ Dec 22 2017, 17:59) *
IW has emotional cost, too. Feels bad if you don't work fast enough.

And a pissed up cost ٩(╬ʘ益ʘ╬)۶[/size] as it makes you want to ragequit when something undesirable appears a dozen runs later.

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post Dec 22 2017, 22:15
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I want to pay fopr IW for two main motive:

1) I don't have Dark Descend so is not profitable and do a thing like "try, send equip for reforge, wait, get it back, retry, repeat" will be boring.

2) I'm easily bored if i don't get what i want on first run or little more i tend to just give up.

So i can pay a fair amount of money to get the service done, i will do it myself only if i have no other options.

And no, i don't think the service need to be free or even pay only the costs, a fai gain is normal.
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post Dec 22 2017, 22:15
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But you know that we live in a world some people would even be happy to shoveling snow for 5 per hour, as long their family has food or at least something quite similiar on the table? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Dec 22 2017, 22:21
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Just because a cheaper service is available doesn't mean the expensive service automatically loses. It's not all zero sum. If you'd rather wait longer for a slower service, you should pay less for it.

QUOTE(reality_marble @ Dec 22 2017, 15:09) *
And a pissed up cost ٩(╬ʘ益ʘ╬)۶[/size] as it makes you want to ragequit when something undesirable appears a dozen runs later.

Got swift 5 times in a row
Got butcher 3 times in a row

Overpower 1

OVERPOWER 1

Not worth the rerolls I'll just keep buying bindings until a legendary ethereal shows up (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
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post Dec 22 2017, 22:27
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QUOTE(Maharid @ Dec 22 2017, 18:15) *

2) I'm easily bored if i don't get what i want on first run or little more i tend to just give up.

Knows .・゚゚・(/ω\)・゚゚・. and you will be doing this many times. By looking at log of IW runs sometimes they do it 70+ times until the right potency comes. It is a lot of reforge (◕‿◕)

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But you know that we live in a world some people would even be happy to shoveling snow for 5 per hour, as long their family has food or at least something quite similiar on the table? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Knows .・゚゚・(/ω\)・゚゚・.

QUOTE(qw3rty67 @ Dec 22 2017, 18:21) *

Just because a cheaper service is available doesn't mean the expensive service automatically loses. It's not all zero sum. If you'd rather wait longer for a slower service, you should pay less for it.

Exactly, it is a matter of market.

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OVERPOWER 1

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post Dec 22 2017, 22:39
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I just thought about something. Did anyone also mention trust? I mean at least for me, i would not actually care enough for an IW service for something that would not be wort a lot to me. So i could never sent it so someone i dont know or trust. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Dec 22 2017, 22:44
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It would be quite unfunny situation sending a PHOH to someone to IW and he running away ٩(ఠ益ఠ)۶ with it
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post Dec 22 2017, 22:50
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QUOTE(reality_marble @ Dec 23 2017, 04:44) *

It would be quite unfunny situation sending a PHOH to someone to IW and he running away ٩(ఠ益ఠ)۶ with it


If you have one, you'd better do it yourself. What's more interesting is that this one takes the Staff to IW and gets banned before sending it back. Because getting banned I lost 50 Artifacts this Year. If I don't ask that Player a few days before that, I'll lost 200.
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post Dec 22 2017, 22:52
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Or he clicked salvage instead of reforge, of course total accidentally. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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post Dec 22 2017, 23:02
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It's not like anyone untrustworthy is going to start doing IWs (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Dec 22 2017, 23:04
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QUOTE(gianfrix94 @ Dec 22 2017, 22:02) *

It's not like anyone untrustworthy is going to start doing IWs (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I trust someone > I dont trust someone > I mistrust someone

Am i the only one who see a difference between dont trust someone and actually mistrust someone? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Dec 23 2017, 00:03
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What are the best low cost hath perks?
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post Dec 23 2017, 00:08
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QUOTE(reality_marble @ Dec 22 2017, 20:46) *
I don't get why to charge 9c/PXP... Be capitalist pig, charge more, profit ヽ( ˋ(00)´ )ノ


With 8c/pxp it makes roughly 140kC for a full IW with no shard on a Legendary. It can already be seen as expensive to the eyes of a customer. And then if he wants to get a perfect IW, the price charged to him is multiple times that amount, without even including the shards. It's quite easy to exceed a price of 500kC that way.

You gotta keep in mind that in all cses, the price charged must remain reasonable compared to price of the equipment itself.
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post Dec 23 2017, 00:16
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Dec 22 2017, 16:04) *
Am i the only one who see a difference between dont trust someone and actually mistrust someone? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

There's no such thing as trust, only what you can afford to lose (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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What are the best low cost hath perks?

Vigorous Vitality makes a real difference, but I wouldn't sweat buying it first.
Yakety Sax is amazing, but I don't know how often people actually flee anymore. Probably not worth it now that you get healed for free after battles. That name, tho.
Innate Arcana 1 and 2 and Postage Paid are immediate must-haves. These are the only cheap ones as far as I'm concerned.

Wiki boasts Thinking Cap but gives no reason. Monsters will just outpace your gear, but dawn raises profs for free so maybe someone will take the bait. Would rather spend 250 hath on upgrades.

Just go big and get Daemon Duality. The difference is yuge.
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post Dec 23 2017, 00:19
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extra strength is one of the few perks that actually *have* a payback.
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post Dec 23 2017, 00:28
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Dec 22 2017, 17:19) *
extra strength is one of the few perks that actually *have* a payback.

At what monster count does it become worth it?
How does it compare to having a ton of monsters and using Inspiration training?
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