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post Oct 28 2017, 20:17
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Is there any kind os strategys to use spirits shield
Because I took out of my mage because it was getting killed due to no SP ╮( ̄ω ̄(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)╭
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post Oct 28 2017, 20:30
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QUOTE(reality_marble @ Oct 28 2017, 20:17) *

Is there any kind os strategys to use spirits shield
Because I took out of my mage because it was getting killed due to no SP ╮( ̄ω ̄(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)╭


Can you share your gear? Could be that you're just not strong enough for the difficulty that you're trying to play.

Too weak (- -) you die ( x x ) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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post Oct 28 2017, 20:45
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BTW let's just hypothetically ( ̄ω ̄(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) says I have a staff with penetrator 5 anihilator 3 economizer 1
It is not like the other more sought ones like spellweaver and archmage are super important outside of Fest, for someone who will only do arena, right ('~`;) ? It is not worthy to bother about them in this case and lose precious time that could be better spends, right ((IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)?

IW won't affect a lot for you now.
If you only do arena,5penetrator&4spellweaver will save you less than 100 turns than your current iw everyday(rough caculation,but can be closely),you can test it by yourself like iw only 5pen and save the data(at least 5000 round),then iw only 5eco and save the data and repeat to all 5 iw kind,it may take too long for you so you can also just forget it for now and trust me.I've done it before,simple extrapolation reaches the conclusion above.(And I got some interesting data,like 5pen4eco is most efficient for me,better than 5pen4wave^_^but I won't recommend everyone else to iw like that due to level&equipment&forge&playstyle differences)


QUOTE(reality_marble @ Oct 29 2017, 02:17) *

Is there any kind os strategys to use spirits shield
Because I took out of my mage because it was getting killed due to no SP ╮( ̄ω ̄(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)╭

Or you can just keep sp draught on all the time and use sp potions earlier like before reach 60% spirit or more,depends on your equipment,difficulty you play and your mood (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Oct 28 2017, 21:09
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QUOTE(issary @ Oct 28 2017, 16:45) *

Or you can just keep sp draught on all the time and use sp potions earlier like before reach 60% spirit or more,depends on your equipment,difficulty you play and your mood :)

I am draughtpeople, is always draught (つω`。)
Because am into readings ヽ(°〇°)ノ "wow spirit shild much importats so second bests inatings arcans wow" but then turns can do RE intos get kill for no slice of life (SoL) so was thinkings there must be some sort of secrets
Secrets more brute (`⌒*)O-(`⌒´Q) force (which is secrets to life anyway)

QUOTE(DJNoni @ Oct 28 2017, 16:30) *

Can you share your gear? Could be that you're just not strong enough for the difficulty that you're trying to play. Too weak (- -) you die ( x x ) ;)

My current mage gear is soo week ( ̄ω ̄; ) and am preparing better gear
Just thats SS = ded and no SS = survive and as everybody recomends SS thought there was something equivalent to( ˘ ɜ˘) ♬♪♫ "use imperil you dingus and get successful" sort of common logic I was ignoring

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And I got some interesting data,like 5pen4eco is most efficient for me,better than 5pen4wave^_^but I won't recommend everyone else to iw like that due to level&equipment&forge&playstyle differences

Kinda against logics ( ^^) had radiant underwear on that times?

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post Oct 28 2017, 22:03
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Hurray, now reality_marble has joined the Spirit Shield haters club (me, ALL_MIGHT, and reality_marble). We are the power trio of atheist nonbelievers!

Actually I use Spirit Shield a lot, but not all the time. I am just very cautious about it and believe it is not as good as other people tend to promote. It should be something you use either because you have to, or are lazy and want to play faster and safer. Not something you use because it's just so awesome and better than Protection, Haste, and Shadow Veil.

And I haven't even ever died from Spirit Shield before. I just noticed that it almost made me die a few times, and I could potentially die, and also it wastes a lot of SP and draughts/potions.
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post Oct 28 2017, 22:09
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Yay! we make club (☞°ヮ°)☞ ☜(°ヮ°☜)

Someday opinions might changings but isn't superior Cape of Deathen basically invincibles button? To risk thats for some Ghost Buckler seems not very goods ʕ •̀ ω •́ ʔ at least by nows
Let's see what future hold
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post Oct 28 2017, 22:15
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I just noticed that it almost made me die a few times, and I could potentially die, and also it wastes a lot of SP and draughts/potions.

because that's what it does: shifts part of HP damage from very powerful attacks to SP tank.
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post Oct 28 2017, 22:44
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Ya but not everyone thinks it is worth it. It could depend slightly on various factors like your style, level, equipment, training, wealth/stinginess, how much you value speed or safety, particular enemies, etc.
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post Oct 28 2017, 23:01
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Oct 28 2017, 13:03) *

Hurray, now reality_marble has joined the Spirit Shield haters club (me, ALL_MIGHT, and reality_marble). We are the power trio of atheist nonbelievers!

Actually I use Spirit Shield a lot, but not all the time. I am just very cautious about it and believe it is not as good as other people tend to promote. It should be something you use either because you have to, or are lazy and want to play faster and safer. Not something you use because it's just so awesome and better than Protection, Haste, and Shadow Veil.

And I haven't even ever died from Spirit Shield before. I just noticed that it almost made me die a few times, and I could potentially die, and also it wastes a lot of SP and draughts/potions.


This is the weird part of the game where everyone giving the advice doesn't actually know what they're talking about, and is basing their advice on how they play a totally different game from us.

Again, 1H+heavy, using power armor and Rapier at the moment. I have IA2, and keep SoL and Protection autocast. During combat I manually upkeep Regen and Heartseeker (the latter using focus procs only).

I never bother with Spirit Shield. If the content is difficult enough that it would do literally anything for me, then the advice is to turn the difficulty down for easier survival. If I am facing opponents so difficult that I get Sparked basically at all, then I should be on lower difficulty, but I leave it in IA as a safety belt.

Protection is basically mandatory for 1H+Heavy, and other styles make use of the spikes to good effect even if they care less about the mitigation.

Haste is actually bad for my style; I can't keep Spirit Stance up permanently if I haste, as I run out of overcharge.

Shadowveil is actually bad for my style too. Evasion happens before parry/block, and therefore cuts down on counter attacks and reduces Overcharge income too.

There are no other options to put into IA. So protection goes in because it is the only actually useful buff that can go in, and SoL goes in because it's mostly useless, but feels nice to have for emergencies.

I really wish I could keep Regen and Heartseeker in there too. But apparently that's not gonna happen (at least regen) because of botters.

Yet all the advice raves on about Spirit Shield. Until you get to the discussion of "OK, so what about for my lower level?" Then it is "Oh, turn the difficulty down."

Spirit Shield honestly needs to stop being suggested mindlessly in advice/wiki. Because it doesn't actually allow you to handle harder difficulties, and only matters for higher-level play. This is very different from how Protection and Regen work, as they do actually let you survive more easily, and should be used.

In order for Spirit Shield to become useful, you need to hit some magical threshold of hp, sp, overall survivability, damage output, and so on. It will never be the deciding factor by itself on being able to handle more difficult content, and like SoL is serves as just a safety net against uncommon damage spikes.

Most low level players are not benefited from that kind of advice. They're looking for "stable character improvements" that sill make them get stronger in general to handle more powerful content. Spirit Shield doesn't fall in that category.
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post Oct 28 2017, 23:04
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Oct 28 2017, 22:44) *

Ya but not everyone thinks it is worth it.


True. Some people swear by 'alternative facts'. However, that doesn't change how things are. If you play serious difficulty as mage, Spirit Shield is essential. Wait a minute... some of you Spirit Shield Haters have been buying mage gears the last few days, haven't you? I foresee a short future for this club (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Oct 28 2017, 23:28
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If I use amnesia shards on my equipment, I don't get the soul fragments back do I? Also, do I get more money when I sell soulfused items?
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post Oct 28 2017, 23:36
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If I use amnesia shards on my equipment, I don't get the soul fragments back do I? Also, do I get more money when I sell soulfused items?


Amnesia shards only get used when you reforge a piece of gear with potencies (from Item World). You have to use exactly enough to remove all potencies, and they do nothing else. They do not interact with any other mechanic, feature, or stat in the game.

Soulfusion cannot be broken by any means. If you soulfuse an item you are stuck with it forever unless you destroy it via salvage or selling it in the bazaar. It will remain in the bazaar to be re-bought (only by you) for a day. You do not increase the sell value by soulfusing.
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post Oct 28 2017, 23:42
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Oct 28 2017, 23:04) *

True. Some people swear by 'alternative facts'. However, that doesn't change how things are. If you play serious difficulty as mage, Spirit Shield is essential.

as if it was useless for other styles (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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post Oct 28 2017, 23:50
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QUOTE(Cryosite @ Oct 28 2017, 19:01) *
If I am facing opponents so difficult that I get Sparked basically at all, then I should be on lower difficulty, but I leave it in IA as a safety belt.

But what abouts "Dudebro uses X and hits you for all your lifes!" ☆⌒(>。<) I keeps happenings sometimes

Never thoughs about this buts Hastings C= C= C= C= C=┌(;・ω・)┘ really should hurt overchargings usagings
Try somedays to see

QUOTE(DJNoni @ Oct 28 2017, 19:04) *
I foresee a short future for this club (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post Oct 29 2017, 00:03
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 28 2017, 18:42) *

as if it was useless for other styles (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

I don't use it at all because FRD (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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post Oct 29 2017, 00:29
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Hello.
First of all, thanks for the veterans that answer our noob question here!
1)I read somewhere that 10 post per day = xp x 2
It was an old post. Is it valid nowadays? Posting comments count for it, or you must create a new topic?

This old post told about a place called "spamhome" or something like that, a place to fill your post count. I did not find this subforum. Does it even exist?

There is someway to post 10 times per day without being obviously forced? I mean, post 10 days per day if you do not have that much of subject to talk.

2) About other doubt of mine. I asked on other post about haste with 100+ burden. I still don't know if it works or not. For me seems good enough , for now, to use heavy armor and 2 handed because I almost only play rare encounters on max possible difficult , so even if my mana finish quickly, it will be only one fight. But I dunno if the haste is being a waste of time or is working with that much of burden...

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post Oct 29 2017, 00:41
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QUOTE(adell-disgaea @ Oct 28 2017, 15:29) *

Hello.
First of all, thanks for the veterans that answer our noob question here!
1)I read somewhere that 10 post per day = xp x 2
It was an old post. Is it valid nowadays? Posting comments count for it, or you must create a new topic?

This old post told about a place called "spamhome" or something like that, a place to fill your post count. I did not find this subforum. Does it even exist?

There is someway to post 10 times per day without being obviously forced? I mean, post 10 days per day if you do not have that much of subject to talk.

2) About other doubt of mine. I asked on other post about haste with 100+ burden. I still don't know if it works or not. For me seems good enough , for now, to use heavy armor and 2 handed because I almost only play rare encounters on max possible difficult , so even if my mana finish quickly, it will be only one fight. But I dunno if the haste is being a waste of time or is working with that much of burden...

Thanks in advance!

It is one post every thirty days for 2x xp.
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post Oct 29 2017, 00:44
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There is someway to post 10 times per day without being obviously forced? I mean, post 10 days per day if you do not have that much of subject to talk.

You have to ... <( ̄︶ ̄)> ... work hard on it! ヽ(*⌒▽⌒*)ノ

Am of joke (*/ω\) it is 1 (one, uno, ichi, um, I) post per each 30 days. By askings this questions already fullfills its! ヾ( ̄◇ ̄)ノ〃

About the Haste X burden, burden would reduces the bonus action speed, no? ε=ε=ε=ε=┌(; ̄▽ ̄)┘ Like, if it were 100 points normal, Haste would make 150 points ─=≡Σ((( つ><)つ If you had 10 points of bonus due to low burden it woulds be 110*1.5=165 so hastings still works even with 999 burden, no?

Someone pls respond

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post Oct 29 2017, 00:51
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You have to ... <( ̄︶ ̄)> ... work hard on it! ヽ(*⌒▽⌒*)ノ

Am of joke (*/ω\) it is 1 (one, uno, ichi, um, I) post per each 30 days. By askings this questions already fullfills its! ヾ( ̄◇ ̄)ノ〃

About the Haste X burden, burden would reduces the bonus action speed, no? ε=ε=ε=ε=┌(; ̄▽ ̄)┘ Like, if it were 100 points normal, Haste would make 150 points ─=≡Σ((( つ><)つ If you had 10 points of bonus due to low burden it woulds be 110*1.5=165 so hastings still works even with 999 burden, no?

Someone pls respond


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If burden > 40, decreases melee attack speed bonuses (fully eliminates any bonus at 90 burden).


There is a (small) difference between attack speed and action speed. Haste boosts action speed, all other speeds are sub-types of action speed. Burden reduces attack speed only; not casting speed nor other things you can do in combat.

Haste will have the same speed boost regardless of Burden stat.
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post Oct 29 2017, 01:01
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if you're worried that your clearing speed of an arena would be taking to too much time
because you have a lot of burden, no it isnt related to burden or anything

it's about your ping if you got a blazing 3t/s even with shit equipment you'll
be very very faster than someone who has godlike equipment but has 1.3t/s

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