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Oct 25 2017, 19:31
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reality_marble
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..・ヾ(。><)シ
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Oct 25 2017, 20:01
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lololo16
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 25 2017, 14:29)  Don't worry, I will
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Oct 25 2017, 20:24
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Scremaz
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QUOTE(lololo16 @ Oct 25 2017, 20:01)  Don't worry, I will
QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 25 2017, 19:29) 
just kidding. of course i'm interested in that as well, we'll see who will win it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) now, to return to this question: QUOTE(reality_marble @ Oct 25 2017, 18:54)  Is there any advantage of an Agile ε===(っ≧ω≦)っ Shade piece of armor instead of Savage ((╬◣﹏◢))
Meanings: If I was on build X would it be betters to go full gotta go fast instead of hit hard?
usually a Shade build already provides a fair amount of Atk Speed for most uses. to give you an example, my DW build has 30% - no Agile, no Swift Strike. the only playstyle that may need an Agile-prefix (and possibly Swift Strike) boost is FRD 2H. but apart for this particular case, it's just another non-Savage prefix, i guess...
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Oct 25 2017, 20:42
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lololo16
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 25 2017, 15:24)  we'll see who will win it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) QUOTE usually a Shade build already provides a fair amount of Atk Speed for most uses. to give you an example, my DW build has 30% - no Agile, no Swift Strike. and what about a DW set with no waki in it?
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Oct 25 2017, 20:54
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Scremaz
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QUOTE(lololo16 @ Oct 25 2017, 20:42)  (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) and what about a DW set with no waki in it? guess around 20~25...
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Oct 25 2017, 22:18
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edu5ardo
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I use chromeand and i have T/S problems, try to use the incognito mode but tampermonkey gives problems Which browser is the most recommended to play with the best T/S possible?
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Oct 25 2017, 22:24
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Scremaz
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QUOTE(edu5ardo @ Oct 25 2017, 22:18)  I use chromeand and i have T/S problems, try to use the incognito mode but tampermonkey gives problems Which browser is the most recommended to play with the best T/S possible?
did you try with a portable firefox version? or a portable iron?
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Oct 25 2017, 22:30
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lololo16
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QUOTE(edu5ardo @ Oct 25 2017, 17:18)  I use chromeand and i have T/S problems, try to use the incognito mode but tampermonkey gives problems Which browser is the most recommended to play with the best T/S possible?
try chromium portable, but just for HV
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Oct 25 2017, 23:01
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(edu5ardo @ Oct 25 2017, 22:18)  I use chromeand and i have T/S problems, try to use the incognito mode but tampermonkey gives problems
If you want to use extensions in incognito you need to give explicit permissions 
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Oct 26 2017, 02:37
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Deathglass
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How do you find an equipment's link? Also, what upgrades should I proceed to get for this, how much should I spend doing so, and how long should I use it? (IMG:[ i.imgur.com] https://i.imgur.com/GTvQlXd.png?1) This post has been edited by Deathglass: Oct 26 2017, 02:38
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Oct 26 2017, 02:53
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reality_marble
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To get equipments link just put mouse over it and press "c" keyboard key (ノ´ヮ`)ノ*: ・゚
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Oct 26 2017, 02:59
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sickentide
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QUOTE(reality_marble @ Oct 25 2017, 19:54)  Is there any advantage of an Agile ε===(っ≧ω≦)っ Shade piece of armor instead of Savage ((╬◣﹏◢))
Meanings: If I was on build X would it be betters to go full gotta go fast instead of hit hard?
when using a mace, agile helps to maximise stun rate and make the most of each stun, increasing your survivability. not too important for arenas even on PF, where any legendary mace paired with decent armour should see you through, but useful for GF and IW
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Oct 26 2017, 03:13
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reality_marble
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QUOTE(sickentide @ Oct 25 2017, 22:59)  when using a mace, agile helps to maximise stun rate and make the most of each stun, increasing your survivability. not too important for arenas even on PF, where any legendary mace paired with decent armour should see you through, but useful for GF and IW
Livings and learnings ヽ(o^▽^o)ノ Maces are cool too Anyways, any info on drop rate of trophies at RoB? Didn't found at wiki (◎ ◎)ゞThis post has been edited by reality_marble: Oct 26 2017, 03:52
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Oct 26 2017, 07:03
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BlueWaterSplash
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Lol, non-penetrative weapon. If you give it to me I'll let you penetrate me. ;) QUOTE(Scremaz) afaik the prefix suffix(?) is generated first, which implies a range of values the stat can assume then, stat rolls happen, and they are rounded at a certain point to percentiles because - according to another mod - "admin likes them" [semicit. from IRC] at that point you have your rolls on popup. then, level scaling happen. tl;dr: base rolls are exact. Your description is roughly consistent with my understanding, but it does not explain why the two linked rapiers have a damage base difference of the minimum 0.01, which is equal to an adb difference of a mere 0.12%, and much lower than the 0.0854 rounding increment listed on the wiki, which I have observed holds true for other stats (such as burden/interference which always assume values in multiples of 0.07). Perhaps parts of our understanding are wrong. Let's try a slightly different test. Everyone reading this thread, can you please look at Basara Nekki's rapier and tell us if you see a base damage that is different from the 80.92 that I see? (For those who don't know, soulbound weapons scale to the observer's level and not the owner's level. If the base roll popup is backwards calculated, some of us may see a slightly different value). This post has been edited by BlueWaterSplash: Oct 26 2017, 07:06
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Oct 26 2017, 07:23
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Cryosite
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Oct 25 2017, 22:03)  Everyone reading this thread, can you please look at Basara Nekki's rapier and tell us if you see a base damage that is different from the 80.92 that I see? I also see 80.92
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Oct 26 2017, 11:16
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Scremaz
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no, i actually meant the prefix. suffix comes quite later. QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Oct 26 2017, 07:03)  Everyone reading this thread, can you please look at Basara Nekki's rapier and tell us if you see a base damage that is different from the 80.92 that I see? (For those who don't know, soulbound weapons scale to the observer's level and not the owner's level. If the base roll popup is backwards calculated, some of us may see a slightly different value). as i told you, base rolls are exact and calculated first. scaled ones are calculated after those, and will be the same for users at the same level. if any, they will slightly differ from what my spreadsheets (or even equip comparison, when it will be in place) tell you because i had to take the other way around. btw, it's 80.92 for me too.
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Oct 26 2017, 13:41
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Mantra64
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Is there a working script which allow me to see the real base stats(without the upgrades) from the equipments? My Peerless Ethereal Axe of Slaughter has a base value of 133.83. But without upgrades it should be 75.92.
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Oct 26 2017, 13:47
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reality_marble
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Maybe reverse findings on Scremaz's forge excel spreadsheet? (⌒▽⌒)☆ Putting your data there said 75,94 ADB ヽ(*⌒▽⌒*)ノ
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Oct 26 2017, 14:13
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Mantra64
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QUOTE(reality_marble @ Oct 26 2017, 13:47)  Maybe reverse findings on Scremaz's forge excel spreadsheet? (⌒▽⌒)☆ Putting your data there said 75,94 ADB ヽ(*⌒▽⌒*)ノ
Where did you find the setting for an axe? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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Oct 26 2017, 14:21
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reality_marble
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Here: QUOTE(Mantra64 @ Oct 26 2017, 09:41)  My Peerless Ethereal Axe of Slaughter has a base value of 133.83. But without upgrades it should be 75.92. ...... (*/▽\*) I was of joking (≧◡≦)Putting data on rapier on "forge optimizer 1h" and in rapier and waki on "forge optimizer DW" give all same result I'm into supposings ___〆(・∀・) there is not differents in growth due to levels at all because both rapier and waki gave same results (* ^ ω ^)I probably might be wrong tho' This post has been edited by reality_marble: Oct 26 2017, 14:22
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