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post Oct 25 2017, 19:31
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post Oct 25 2017, 20:01
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 25 2017, 14:29) *

you sure? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

Don't worry, I will
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post Oct 25 2017, 20:24
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QUOTE(lololo16 @ Oct 25 2017, 20:01) *

Don't worry, I will

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 25 2017, 19:29) *

you sure? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

just kidding. of course i'm interested in that as well, we'll see who will win it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

now, to return to this question:
QUOTE(reality_marble @ Oct 25 2017, 18:54) *

Is there any advantage of an Agile ε===(っ≧ω≦)っ Shade piece of armor instead of Savage ((╬◣﹏◢))

Meanings: If I was on build X would it be betters to go full gotta go fast instead of hit hard?

usually a Shade build already provides a fair amount of Atk Speed for most uses. to give you an example, my DW build has 30% - no Agile, no Swift Strike.
the only playstyle that may need an Agile-prefix (and possibly Swift Strike) boost is FRD 2H. but apart for this particular case, it's just another non-Savage prefix, i guess...
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post Oct 25 2017, 20:42
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 25 2017, 15:24) *

we'll see who will win it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

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usually a Shade build already provides a fair amount of Atk Speed for most uses. to give you an example, my DW build has 30% - no Agile, no Swift Strike.

and what about a DW set with no waki in it?
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post Oct 25 2017, 20:54
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QUOTE(lololo16 @ Oct 25 2017, 20:42) *

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and what about a DW set with no waki in it?

guess around 20~25...
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post Oct 25 2017, 22:18
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I use chromeand and i have T/S problems, try to use the incognito mode but tampermonkey gives problems
Which browser is the most recommended to play with the best T/S possible?
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post Oct 25 2017, 22:24
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I use chromeand and i have T/S problems, try to use the incognito mode but tampermonkey gives problems
Which browser is the most recommended to play with the best T/S possible?

did you try with a portable firefox version? or a portable iron?
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post Oct 25 2017, 22:30
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I use chromeand and i have T/S problems, try to use the incognito mode but tampermonkey gives problems
Which browser is the most recommended to play with the best T/S possible?

try chromium portable, but just for HV
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post Oct 25 2017, 23:01
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QUOTE(edu5ardo @ Oct 25 2017, 22:18) *

I use chromeand and i have T/S problems, try to use the incognito mode but tampermonkey gives problems

If you want to use extensions in incognito you need to give explicit permissions

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post Oct 26 2017, 02:37
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How do you find an equipment's link?
Also, what upgrades should I proceed to get for this, how much should I spend doing so, and how long should I use it?
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post Oct 26 2017, 02:53
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To get equipments link just put mouse over it and press "c" keyboard key
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post Oct 26 2017, 02:59
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QUOTE(reality_marble @ Oct 25 2017, 19:54) *

Is there any advantage of an Agile ε===(っ≧ω≦)っ Shade piece of armor instead of Savage ((╬◣﹏◢))

Meanings: If I was on build X would it be betters to go full gotta go fast instead of hit hard?

when using a mace, agile helps to maximise stun rate and make the most of each stun, increasing your survivability. not too important for arenas even on PF, where any legendary mace paired with decent armour should see you through, but useful for GF and IW
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post Oct 26 2017, 03:13
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QUOTE(sickentide @ Oct 25 2017, 22:59) *

when using a mace, agile helps to maximise stun rate and make the most of each stun, increasing your survivability. not too important for arenas even on PF, where any legendary mace paired with decent armour should see you through, but useful for GF and IW

Livings and learnings ヽ(o^▽^o)ノ Maces are cool too

Anyways, any info on drop rate of trophies at RoB? Didn't found at wiki (◎ ◎)ゞ

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post Oct 26 2017, 07:03
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Lol, non-penetrative weapon. If you give it to me I'll let you penetrate me. ;)

QUOTE(Scremaz)

afaik the prefix suffix(?) is generated first, which implies a range of values the stat can assume
then, stat rolls happen, and they are rounded at a certain point to percentiles because - according to another mod - "admin likes them" [semicit. from IRC]
at that point you have your rolls on popup. then, level scaling happen.

tl;dr: base rolls are exact.

Your description is roughly consistent with my understanding, but it does not explain why the two linked rapiers have a damage base difference of the minimum 0.01, which is equal to an adb difference of a mere 0.12%, and much lower than the 0.0854 rounding increment listed on the wiki, which I have observed holds true for other stats (such as burden/interference which always assume values in multiples of 0.07).

Perhaps parts of our understanding are wrong. Let's try a slightly different test. Everyone reading this thread, can you please look at Basara Nekki's rapier and tell us if you see a base damage that is different from the 80.92 that I see? (For those who don't know, soulbound weapons scale to the observer's level and not the owner's level. If the base roll popup is backwards calculated, some of us may see a slightly different value).

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post Oct 26 2017, 07:23
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Oct 25 2017, 22:03) *

Everyone reading this thread, can you please look at Basara Nekki's rapier and tell us if you see a base damage that is different from the 80.92 that I see?

I also see 80.92
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post Oct 26 2017, 11:16
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no, i actually meant the prefix. suffix comes quite later.

QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Oct 26 2017, 07:03) *

Everyone reading this thread, can you please look at Basara Nekki's rapier and tell us if you see a base damage that is different from the 80.92 that I see? (For those who don't know, soulbound weapons scale to the observer's level and not the owner's level. If the base roll popup is backwards calculated, some of us may see a slightly different value).

as i told you, base rolls are exact and calculated first. scaled ones are calculated after those, and will be the same for users at the same level.

if any, they will slightly differ from what my spreadsheets (or even equip comparison, when it will be in place) tell you because i had to take the other way around.


btw, it's 80.92 for me too.
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post Oct 26 2017, 13:41
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Is there a working script which allow me to see the real base stats(without the upgrades) from the equipments?

My Peerless Ethereal Axe of Slaughter has a base value of 133.83. But without upgrades it should be 75.92.
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post Oct 26 2017, 13:47
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Maybe reverse findings on Scremaz's forge excel spreadsheet?
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Putting your data there said 75,94 ADB
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post Oct 26 2017, 14:13
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QUOTE(reality_marble @ Oct 26 2017, 13:47) *

Maybe reverse findings on Scremaz's forge excel spreadsheet?
    (⌒▽⌒)☆
Putting your data there said 75,94 ADB
ヽ(*⌒▽⌒*)ノ

Where did you find the setting for an axe? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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post Oct 26 2017, 14:21
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Here:
QUOTE(Mantra64 @ Oct 26 2017, 09:41) *

My Peerless Ethereal Axe of Slaughter has a base value of 133.83. But without upgrades it should be 75.92.

...... (*/▽\*) I was of joking (≧◡≦)

Putting data on rapier on "forge optimizer 1h" and in rapier and waki on "forge optimizer DW" give all same result
I'm into supposings ___〆(・∀・) there is not differents in growth due to levels at all because both rapier and waki gave same results (* ^ ω ^)

I probably might be wrong tho'

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