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note that when admin introduced this thing he already thought about possible abuses (or it was pointed out quite soon), so you're basically only updating him a bit.

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Oct 16 2017, 12:46

I think it's fair as is. There should be some benefit to the salvage procedure, or else why have it? On legendary class equipment it's just a little cheaper. Actually it depends on the bazaar cost of the equipment, so you should not do this with power/shade/phase/force.

Also the price of amnesia shards is dynamic, determined by us in the forum, not by the game.

I am not against that feature too. I just think it is "not intended way to do it". More like exploiting, but not the cheating.

I just wanted to know admin's position toward it (better safe than sorry) and can we use it safely.
So, yes, use it as long as it suits you in both price and management terms (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Plost twist: buying from the bazaar is virtually unlimited, amnesia shards aren't.

"I might have to tweak it a bit™."

Told ya and thanks!
Thanks for nothing.

Plost twist: buying from the bazaar is virtually unlimited, amnesia shards aren't.

Actually, amnesia shards are unlimited also. As long as players keep playing and getting them to drop.

There is a shifting supply of them, which affects the price. More players using them diminishes the supply a bit, but never permanently depletes it.

Both that supply and the demand jack the price up. The Salvaging mechanic serves as a ceiling. If amnesia shards ever go above this ceiling, then players can use salvaging. Doing so doesn't diminish the supply, and reduces demand on it.

It's a self-correcting mechanism, and ought to remain in place.

This post has been edited by Cryosite: Oct 16 2017, 19:17

The Salvaging mechanic serves as a ceiling. If amnesia shards ever go above this ceiling, then players can use salvaging. Doing so doesn't diminish the supply, and reduces demand on it.

It's a self-correcting mechanism, and ought to remain in place.

Yup, that's pretty much it. And note how the forum prices for ten amnesia shards are indeed comparable to the salvage buyback cost.

Salvaging further makes the item untradeable, whether soulfused or not. The sacrifice merits some reward. The most tweakable thing with this mechanic could be the lower cost for medium quality equipment, although it does currently bottom out at 10k.

Newbie question.

What is so special about making Prof factor 0.68 for elements and 1 for holy? (as per Advice_Advanced).
or why make it 0.68?
what will be losses/drawbacks if it stays at eg. 0.58 ?

This post has been edited by ALL_MIGHT: Oct 17 2017, 23:44

Newbie question.

What is so special about making Prof factor 0.68 for elements and 1 dor holy? (as per Advice_Advanced).
or why make it 0.68?
what will be losses/drawbacks if it stays at eg. 5.8 ?

then bad-ass monsters are better at that element than you. So killing takes longer.

Newbie question.

What is so special about making Prof factor 0.68 for elements and 1 for holy? (as per Advice_Advanced).
or why make it 0.68?
what will be losses/drawbacks if it stays at eg. 5.8 ?

Uhh, it's pretty much impossible to have proficiency factor of 5.8. Proficiency factor, although calculated using monster level, can be hazarded with your level.

(Your effective proficiency/Your Level) - 1

At high proficiency factor, you got high counter-resist bonus so that your attack spell became efficient. At prof factor ~1, your spell became irresistible, more or less. At 0.68, I think people found this is minimum effective irresistability (hahaha, is that a word?). Below that, your spells get resisted so much you'd better off playing melee.

Uhh, it's pretty much impossible to have proficiency factor of 5.8. Proficiency factor, although calculated using monster level, can be hazarded with your level.

pretty sure he meant .58 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Newbie question.

What is so special about making Prof factor 0.68 for elements and 1 for holy? (as per Advice_Advanced).
or why make it 0.68?
what will be losses/drawbacks if it stays at eg. 0.58 ?

Most monsters that are at max PL have about 68% resistance to all elements that they aren't inherently weak to. Some go higher, such as to 75%, but the cost to get them there would come at the expense of PABs like endurence=HP. So they'd wind up easy to kill even if they resist a little bit.

Having .68 prof factor negates the most common amount of resistance, letting your spells do the max possible damage despite the resistance.

In staffs whats is more important MDB %, or EDB %.

(i mean if there are two staffs, 1 has 85%MDB and 0%EDB and 2nd has 0%MDB and 85%EDB. would would be prefered?)

In staffs whats is more important MDB %, or EDB %.

(i mean if there are two staffs, 1 has 85%MDB and 0%EDB and 2nd has 0%MDB and 85%EDB. would would be prefered?)

I think MDB. You can make up for low EDB with some phase pieces.

In staffs whats is more important MDB %, or EDB %.

(i mean if there are two staffs, 1 has 85%MDB and 0%EDB and 2nd has 0%MDB and 85%EDB. would would be prefered?)

If "of destruction" MDB (by a lot).
If "of *EDB suffix*" EDB (slightly).
If "of focus/crap prof" MDB.
If "of elementalist/demon-field/heaven-sent" Prof >= MDB >> EDB.

If "of destruction" MDB (by a lot).
If "of *EDB suffix*" EDB (slightly).
If "of focus/crap prof" MDB.
If "of elementalist/demon-field/heaven-sent" Prof >= MDB >> EDB.

seems to hint that usually MDB is preferred, uh? it thought that at least matching EDB staffs EDB was more important...

seems to hint that usually MDB is preferred, uh? it thought that at least matching EDB staffs EDB was more important...

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It is, that's why I said If "of *EDB suffix*" EDB (slightly)..
It's probably around 40% more important or something like that.
I probably shouldn't have added slightly.

MDB is really better (・_・;)?
Putting in the spell damage calculation formula on the wiki when I was looking at staffs to buy it always seemed that the EDB suffix always added more than a comparable of destruction (◎ ◎)ゞ

MDB is really better (・_・(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)?
Putting in the spell damage calculation formula on the wiki when I was looking at staffs to buy it always seemed that the EDB suffix always added more than a comparable of destruction (◎ ◎)ゞ

You either forgot to factor in forging MDB to 100 or you did the calculations with a fully forged radiant build (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

DwD last night took me 1hour and half ( ; ω ; ) How much the non-maging rich people take to finish that?

You either forgot to factor in forging MDB to 100 or you did the calculations with a fully forged radiant build (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I used 乁( • ω •乁) Scremaz's calculator.
Comparing a Peerless Hallowed Katalox Staff of Destruction to a Peerless Hallowed Oak Staff of Heimdall. Putting values until it hit the wiki's base then throwing the results on spell damage calculation ....φ(︶▽︶) For the same everything else, just the MDB and EDB being different, the first gave ~14800 and the second ~17000 for the T1 (ノ ˘_˘)ノ　ζ|||ζ　ζ|||ζ　ζ|||ζ Didn't counted the INT/WIS/Counter-resist/other stuff though so the difference is there (￣▽￣*)ゞ Also didn't know if they were the better staves possible btw

This post has been edited by reality_marble: Oct 18 2017, 17:04

DwD last night took me 1hour and half ( ; ω ; ) How much the non-maging rich people take to finish that?

All Rich 1H people does Pfudor DWD under 25m
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This post has been edited by ALL_MIGHT: Oct 18 2017, 16:56