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post Oct 15 2017, 21:13
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QUOTE(f4tal @ Oct 15 2017, 20:56) *

I said it is masterplan - his maximum goals. Of course he should not go the auction tomorrow and buy some savage armor slaughter for 10m. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

But my guess is that 90% of humanty is part of the tldr faction. And i cant see why it shouldnt be here the same. Also telling people about max goals, they try to reach them right away, didnt you notice all those newbies that dont soulfuse anything and wait for endgame gear? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Oct 15 2017, 21:24
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Oct 15 2017, 22:13) *

But my guess is that 90% of humanty is part of the tldr faction. And i cant see why it shouldnt be here the same. Also telling people about max goals, they try to reach them right away, didnt you notice all those newbies that dont soulfuse anything and wait for endgame gear? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

You right. You know, I will rewrite it a little then.
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post Oct 15 2017, 23:43
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Many of the silent people still seem to consider ethereal the best on 1H. The burden/interference issue is complicated, but if you do not have a strong favoritism to a particular element, ethereal is a great choice. And you can still get the strike you want with time or luck.

Seeing how decondelite and fatal both mentioned elemental spike shields, how about we discuss and try to rank them, for each style? I think it's safe to say though, that whatever the ranking, if you have an elemental weapon you should pair it with the previous spike shield in the cycle.
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post Oct 15 2017, 23:59
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Salvaged my crappy ethereal rapier 2 times, the 3rd IW was the one (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
But5 OP4 Holy Strike, i will save it for my DW build.
Now waiting to reach 368 so i can soulfuse this rapier, but at the same time i'm focused in my holy mage so i don't think i'll be upgrading further my melee build (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Oct 16 2017, 00:03
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Salvaged my crappy ethereal rapier 2 times,

You mean reforge. You must really dont like this rapier when you made such a freudian slip. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

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Many of the silent people still seem to consider ethereal the best on 1H.

They are still wrong, it doesnt matter how many they are.

QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Oct 15 2017, 23:43) *

but if you do not have a strong favoritism to a particular element, ethereal is a great choice. And you can still get the strike you want with time or luck.

Yeah, sure keep on dreaming, but getting the element you want AND the best IW, is something like win a actual lottery in RL. When you finaly got your IW after the 60th or 70th try, you wont reforge that weapon, sure as sure.

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post Oct 16 2017, 00:03
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Oct 15 2017, 23:43) *

how about we discuss and try to rank them, for each style? I think it's safe to say though, that whatever the ranking, if you have an elemental weapon you should pair it with the previous spike shield in the cycle.

it has been done a while ago. only relevant result was that 1H is better paired with Fire. probably there's not a consensuous for the other ones. at least, for melees.
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post Oct 16 2017, 00:14
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He may have really salvaged it. It's an alternative to spending amnesia shards, mainly for ethereal weapons after reaching IW10 and you want to reset the strike.

I did a rough calculation a while back and the cost to salvage and buy back may be comparable to the cost of 10 shards on a legendary weapon. On a magnificent weapon the cost to salvage will be cheaper, though I don't know if it's cheaper than 5 shards.

Draw99Gray, did you soulfuse before or after salvaging? I've been curious if salvaging forces you to soulfuse again when you buy it back.
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post Oct 16 2017, 00:17
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Oct 15 2017, 19:03) *

You mean reforge. You must really dont like this rapier when you made such a freudian slip. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

No, i meant it.
I salvaged it and bought it back, the shop price was 40k so it was cheaper than wasting 10 amnesia shards on it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I soulfused this rapier a month after i started the game (self-drop)
And no, if you salvage a soulfused equip only you can see it, and the soulfusing remains

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post Oct 16 2017, 00:25
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I am shocked. I really am. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
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post Oct 16 2017, 01:14
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Oct 16 2017, 00:25) *

I am shocked. I really am. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)


Wrong spike shield dude.
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post Oct 16 2017, 01:14
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If the soulfusing remains then the attractiveness of salvaging at IW10 is greatly increased. Thanks, I will remember it!

Since soulfuse doubles potency exp, we might consider that it saves both time and the funds lost while in IW. A straight IW10 service may cost 200k so a soulfused weapon saves 100k (and more if you use amnesia shards at beginning levels to reset).

Rough cost breakdown for a legendary class IW10 that you know you will soulfuse when done:

Salvage and buy back costs maybe 100k. Using ten shards costs maybe 150k. Using five shards with a free reforging service costs maybe 70k, plus at least 100k in longer grinding time, so 170k or more?

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getting the element you want AND the best IW, is something like win a actual lottery in RL. When you finaly got your IW after the 60th or 70th try, you wont reforge that weapon, sure as sure.

If you are slightly less picky with your regular potencies, it won't need many shard resets before your IW10. Then you can utilize the great salvage plan. Another idea is to sell the weapon to someone else, if you don't like the element. Because everyone has different opinion, you can search out a buyer who does not mind it.
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post Oct 16 2017, 01:45
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Oct 16 2017, 01:14) *

If you are slightly less picky with your regular potencies, it won't need many shard resets before your IW10.

Name me a single plausible reason why i shouldnt go for the perfect IW.
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post Oct 16 2017, 01:55
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Oct 16 2017, 02:45) *

Name me a single plausible reason why i shouldnt go for the perfect IW.

1. This is not an endgame equip, so why should you bother?
2. You have neat stats from other equipment and IW will not give you much differences
3. You have not tons of amnesia or credits for reforging
4. RNG hates you.
5. You are lazy

My case is 5 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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post Oct 16 2017, 02:01
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QUOTE(f4tal @ Oct 16 2017, 01:55) *

1. This is not an endgame equip, so why should you bother?
2. You have neat stats from other equipment and IW will not give you much differences
3. You have not tons of amnesia or credits for reforging
4. RNG hates you.
5. You are lazy

My case is 5 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)


Main reason i stoped doing IW for a year. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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post Oct 16 2017, 02:10
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QUOTE(f4tal @ Oct 16 2017, 01:55) *

1. This is not an endgame equip, so why should you bother?
2. You have neat stats from other equipment and IW will not give you much differences
3. You have not tons of amnesia or credits for reforging
4. RNG hates you.
5. You are lazy

My case is 5 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

So, i should now pick a reason? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Well lets see, no endgame gear, nope my rapier is endgame, i will probably never change it. The stats i have are okayish, but a perfect IW would increase them even more. Well three is a thing. I used up all my shards a week ago. But i still have the money to buy them. Well, it cant hate me that much, otherwhise i wouldnt had get that rapier. No, i am not lazy. Well, at least not in the game itself. So, no there was no reason for me, why i shouldnt be picky about the IW. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Oct 16 2017, 02:44
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Oct 15 2017, 16:14) *

If the soulfusing remains then the attractiveness of salvaging at IW10 is greatly increased. Thanks, I will remember it!

Great chances that tenboro would fix it. Thanks!
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post Oct 16 2017, 02:51
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QUOTE(Dead-ed @ Oct 16 2017, 02:44) *

Great chances that tenboro would fix it. Thanks!

That is reason number one to ten why i would never do this. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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post Oct 16 2017, 03:03
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The salvaging of soulfused equipment is deliberate, so I doubt it will be fixed. It is described in the wiki. There is a tremendous buy back penalty (25x more expensive than sell) to prevent abuse with IW10. It is cheaper to use this salvage method regardless, especially if the equipment is soulfused. But it's not unreasonable.

The only thing the wiki forgot to mention is that if the equipment is soulfused, after salvaging and buying it back, it is still soulfused. Maybe someone could add that.
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post Oct 16 2017, 03:05
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I cant help it. Imo it is just wrong to disrespect your weapon by salvaging it just to spare some credits. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Oct 16 2017, 03:29
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Dude, I'm seeking advice.
I'm still trying to gather stuffs (awaiting next auction), so my gear & elemental preference is still subject to change.

Given my configuration below, I still didn't proceed faster than 2H/Light. What did I do wrong?

Gear:
Staff | Cap | Robe | Gloves | Pants | Shoes

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Buff > Imperil > Spell Rotation > staff tapping

Stat:
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