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I don't presently see myself playing this game long enough to get to the point that I will ever be seriously maging, but while we are on the subject, I have noticed that holy is preferred to dark, and wind seems slightly preferred to the other three elements. Why is that?

I have noticed that holy is preferred to dark, and wind seems slightly preferred to the other three elements. Why is that?

Holy vs Dark: holy prof (breached defense)
Wind vs other elemental: 1) willow has innate wind EDB 2) monsters have lower mitigations against wind compared to elec

This post has been edited by Sapo84: Oct 8 2017, 22:18

Problem with adding to wiki is that it's all opinions and that all mage styles 'work', just at what difficulty? And at what cost? too many variables.

But my personal advice: elemental mage is easier to get going, less mana-consuming. I would suggest: look for a very good elemental staff, that you can afford. A good LARD (cold) should be achievable for under 20m, I think. A good electric or wind will cost maybe a bit more. Willow (wind/electric) is a bit faster than Redwood (Cold/fire), but don't underestimate the power of the LARD. I do Pffests in roughly 1 hr.

Dark is faster against Schoolgirls. But more mana potions needed. And elemental is faster unless you have great dark gear. And good gear is quite expensive. And holy? I'm too poor for holy.

I keep hearing holy is super expensive but... I mean... this week I picked up a leg heaven sent and a leg hiemdall, I think both at 70+%, for 175. and thats as the only bidder.

I grant you the prefixes aren't great, but i would expect a workable HM could be had for less than 1M for clothes, and whatever a stick costs. Plus IW and Forging, but those apply regardless of build.

Dude, how often one should do grindfest to make crystarium a sensible spending?

Where do you go to see all your XP-increase effects? Or do you have to calculate that by hand from your trainings and perks? I know I saw a page somewhere that has your cumulative effects listed, but it's gone now.

Or do you have to calculate that by hand from your trainings and perks?

Afaik you have to.

Dude, how often one should do grindfest to make crystarium a sensible spending?

I have Chrys4; i consider it worthwhile even though I rarely do *fests and am still playing 1H(at least I am until I get my staff and cloth gears IW'd. which could take months >.<). Still, being that I have over 50 monsters and I'm trying to level them all without buying crystals, it's useful. Even still, I typically am getting about 1k of each every 2hrs doing IWs on PFUDOR.

not only. advice page should be relatively short and give hints, not a wall of text. apart for being a limit to how much we can spoil users, we want to help them, not to bore them. without even counting barrier language

Spoiler text - Highlight to read...

and those who claim to have read all wiki with no luck when the answer is just a typing and a couple of clicks away. a whole other story though

That page is way too subjective and biased IMHO.
I mean, it sounds like "as a beginner, one handed play you will".
And it's a damn mess anyway.

That page is way too subjective and biased IMHO.
I mean, it sounds like "as a beginner, one handed play you will".
And it's a damn mess anyway.

We tried to summarize the best advice as un-messy as possible. There is always room for improvement. Do you have specific examples of mess? So that I can rewrite where needed?

I can understand how you interpret the advice as biassed towards 1h. But a fact is that the game is somewhat biassed towards 1h rapier/force shield/ power. It's just advice, but if you're looking for the best survive chance at lower level, 1h is my advice.

This post has been edited by DJNoni: Oct 9 2017, 11:03

I keep hearing holy is super expensive but... I mean... this week I picked up a leg heaven sent and a leg hiemdall, I think both at 70+%, for 175. and thats as the only bidder.

I grant you the prefixes aren't great, but i would expect a workable HM could be had for less than 1M for clothes, and whatever a stick costs. Plus IW and Forging, but those apply regardless of build.

i agree. if you're not too finicky about prefixes and such and only want to start, you can find decent things among the things people ignore at auctions. go for them.

Afaik you have to.

if it's not this way, i'd really like to know the answer as well.

That page is way too subjective and biased IMHO.
I mean, it sounds like "as a beginner, one handed play you will".
And it's a damn mess anyway.

remember that in order for advices to be as universal as possible, they have to reach the biggest possible audience - therefore, we have to suggest what we're mathematically sure that works. and it's not like we force people to play that way, we *suggest* it.

either way, you're welcome to give us suggestions on how to improve it.

Not sure if you are talking about the basic advice or advanced advice wiki, but some of it is more biased towards force shield and power armor than it needs to be.

I just switched from all legendary plate, to mostly magnificent power. (All self-dropped; I haven't been able to buy anything popular yet). The change is roughly what I expected. Power sucks but it's currently worth it for me, only because all my plate is underleveled ~200 while my power is mostly ~300, and helps to make my level 200 legendary rapier temporarily relevant again until I can find a ~420 replacement to soulfuse.

I don't need a force shield or even any shield at all, I just use an embarassing 25% block old legendary buckler and it works fine.

In my opinion power and force may have always been overrated on players under level 350, but this is even more true after the 0.85 change which drastically weakened the enemies for low level players on high difficulty.

Under level 200 I don't even think 1H is the best style (the basic advice wiki doesn't say it is though).

I also think warding suffix should be recommended along with protection suffix, they are equally good in my opinion and should be mixed.

I just switched from all legendary plate, to mostly magnificent power. (All self-dropped; I haven't been able to buy anything popular yet). The change is roughly what I expected. Power sucks but it's currently worth it for me, only because all my plate is underleveled ~200 while my power is mostly ~300, and helps to make my level 200 legendary rapier temporarily relevant again until I can find a ~420 replacement to soulfuse.

I don't need a force shield or even any shield at all, I just use an embarassing 25% block old legendary buckler and it works fine.

Basically you're saying power (more damage less defense) sucks while disregarding the single equip that makes 1H broken as fuck (a good shield).
Color me surprised that an offensive armor doesn't work well when you handicap yourself.

In my opinion power and force may have always been overrated on players under level 350, but this is even more true after the 0.85 change which drastically weakened the enemies for low level players on high difficulty.

I don't see how the two are related.
Low health enemies for example make a rapier less useful, and you can, for example, plot a shortsword and A rapier damage AND see that rapier shines when at least 1 PA is applied, low health = fewer hits = fewer PA = rapier is not as good.
And you're bringing nothing on the table to support your claims.

Under level 200 I don't even think 1H is the best style (the basic advice wiki doesn't say it is though).

I don't think 1H has ever being recommended as the best starting style.
Usually 2H + leather is suggest as starting gear, then the recommended path is to switch to a more defensive style (DW or 1H, with 1H being the best choice).

I also think warding suffix should be recommended along with protection suffix, they are equally good in my opinion and should be mixed.

Again you're not supporting your claims with any evidence.
For example, why do you suggest mixing is good?
It literally makes no sense given how PMI and MMI work (5% more physical mitigation from an equipment is always 5% reduced physical damage regardless of the fact that you already have 0% PMI or 80% PMI).

So I've been having a problem where in long arena runs, I level up like 5 times by the end, but the enemies start outscaling me as I level, since I can't raise stats. Is there anything I can do about that?
Also, my leveling pace seems to make my equipment go obsolete really quickly, should I try to soulbind stuff?

Not sure if you are talking about the basic advice or advanced advice wiki, but some of it is more biased towards force shield and power armor than it needs to be.

I just switched from all legendary plate, to mostly magnificent power. (All self-dropped; I haven't been able to buy anything popular yet). The change is roughly what I expected. Power sucks but it's currently worth it for me, only because all my plate is underleveled ~200 while my power is mostly ~300, and helps to make my level 200 legendary rapier temporarily relevant again until I can find a ~420 replacement to soulfuse.

I don't need a force shield or even any shield at all, I just use an embarassing 25% block old legendary buckler and it works fine.

In my opinion power and force may have always been overrated on players under level 350, but this is even more true after the 0.85 change which drastically weakened the enemies for low level players on high difficulty.

Under level 200 I don't even think 1H is the best style (the basic advice wiki doesn't say it is though).

I also think warding suffix should be recommended along with protection suffix, they are equally good in my opinion and should be mixed.

personally i don't have anything against warding - rather, i tend to recommend them to people with thight budgets. btw, what do you play usually? arenas? IW?

To me it seems any fucked-up combination of equipment is good till 200 level.
But 1h is recommended after it to make life easier.
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My Eg.
From start to Till nearly level 280 , I played with most fucked up equipment set.
And it took me nearly 8 months of playing to reach 280 because of my ridiculous play style.

After that I loaned 1complete set of 1h and realized power of 1h.
Now I try to play as experts advice.


My previous play style was
mixed rainbow mage ( maging with mix of plate and leather armors. And use attacks of all elements ) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
(It was hell) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

So this debate over the promotion of 1h is nonsense. As 1h is adviced to make life easier and they are free to try any combination if they wish.
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This post has been edited by ALL_MIGHT: Oct 9 2017, 13:31

mixed rainbow mage ( maging with mix of plate and leather armors. And use attacks of all elements ) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
(It was hell) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

lol, what? How it even worked? xD

I started to play as 1H/Heavy from the beginning, right from the level 1, and that is all. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

The reason why mixing is good is just to balance out your physical and magical mitigation. At low level the weakness of heavy armor is magic, and the most damaging monsters are magical (celestials and sprites). Warding suffixes give more bonus than protection suffix, so it's a waste not to mix in a couple.

I agree that shortsword is better after the patch, comparison with rapier can saved for later. The reason why I feel power is worse after the patch is that monsters die fast enough without it. Yet they do the same damage as always, so it's nice to first tank up with plate, and migrate to power as both player and monster defenses scale up with level.

Scremaz, mostly random encounters (trying to get drops), otherwise about equal amounts of item world and arenas. I do item world on mostly iwbth with some pfudor. I'm extra poor now because doing too much item world and random encounters.

Trying to save up for a weapon purchase, I have no credits just energy drinks. Tried to get that Legendary Ethereal Rapier of Balance we both bid on last auction, for both 1H and DW. I was prepared to bid 300k, but when I saw jplshejeser bid 150k, I didn't want to bid against him. I think I saw earlier he needed a better weapon, too.

Problem would be solved if you soulfused your weapon though.

I don't get the obsession of lower level players trying to get a end-game weapon ASAP to soulfuse. Can someone explain it to me? The opportunity cost seems very unfavorable.

So I've been having a problem where in long arena runs, I level up like 5 times by the end, but the enemies start outscaling me as I level, since I can't raise stats. Is there anything I can do about that?
Also, my leveling pace seems to make my equipment go obsolete really quickly, should I try to soulbind stuff?

No. Unless you find something super good at your level, try to save fragments to soulfuse better stuff once you hit 250-300. Around your level, make do with exquisite or superior. If you found a magnificent, maybe soulfuse it. But don't bother exquisite. Don't buy fragments.

My previous play style was
mixed rainbow mage ( maging with mix of plate and leather armors. And use attacks of all elements ) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
(It was hell) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

How do you even?
I can imagine the monsters be like "What's wrong with that weird dude blasting useless shit around, only to be beaten half death by us later"

This post has been edited by as013: Oct 9 2017, 15:21

I can imagine the monsters be like "What's wrong with that weird dude blasting useless shit around, only to be beaten half death by us later"

It was first time in a history of HentaiVerse when monsters died out of pity (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

By the way, remind me, please, how rainbow mage works? What equipment one should have and what typical attack pattern is? Is that build effective comparing to traditional melee and mage? Or it is more for shits and giggles?

This post has been edited by f4tal: Oct 9 2017, 17:14