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Sep 26 2017, 19:11
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f4tal
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QUOTE So of course I'm expecting equipment stats to be analyzed and to feed a database every time we pop up a window. So you are trying to tell that one should spend his free-time and incode all these: https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Equipment_Rangeshttps://ehwiki.org/wiki/Equipment_Ranges_Clotheshttps://ehwiki.org/wiki/Equipment_Ranges_Lighthttps://ehwiki.org/wiki/Equipment_Ranges_Heavy...in script - and not just in-code, but create algorithm to handle and store all this data, parse it, compare - and then constantly update such base just to let people compare exquisites? I doubt Superlatanium, or anyone else, want to bother (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) QUOTE And I'm also expecting percentile ranges to mean something, instead of the "-110%" -83% is better than -110% and worse than -65% - so you can say about ranges even for negative numbers. QUOTE I'm not even considering the annoying popup that comes every time an Exq- lacks a given PAB. You can disable these alerts in HVtoolBox - it has a special option for this. =) QUOTE depending how the script calculates the number, "0" may actually mean "very little". my script multiplies the relative size of the remaining health bar with the monster's max hp, so if hp are low enough for the bar to have 0 width, the value is shown as "0" Oh, make sense for me =) Your Monsterbation compares monster's vitals relatively to each other? This post has been edited by f4tal: Sep 26 2017, 19:15
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Sep 26 2017, 19:23
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sickentide
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QUOTE(f4tal @ Sep 26 2017, 20:11)  Your Monsterbation compares monster's vitals relatively to each other?
when you enable the option to shorten hp bars, they are shortened proportional to the monster with the highest hp
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Sep 26 2017, 19:33
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Draw99Gray
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Sounds like a 12 year old kid whining to his mother that she didn't bought him the latest iPhone (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Be grateful of the work others put in optimizing the game, and if it bothers you so much then code it yourself
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Sep 26 2017, 19:52
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KitsuneAbby
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QUOTE(f4tal @ Sep 26 2017, 19:11)  -83% is better than -110% and worse than -65% - so you can say about ranges even for negative numbers. You can disable these alerts in HVtoolBox - it has a special option for this. =) Neither -83% nor -110% indicate if the equipment is in the upper range or in the lower range, even less at what extent. That, is the issue with these numbers. Thanks for the tip regarding toolbox, I'll take a look at it. This post has been edited by decondelite: Sep 26 2017, 19:53
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Sep 26 2017, 20:09
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PapaJuk
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QUOTE(Draw99Gray @ Sep 26 2017, 13:33)  Sounds like a 12 year old kid whining to his mother that she didn't bought him the latest iPhone (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Be grateful of the work others put in optimizing the game, and if it bothers you so much then code it yourself I kinda get his point though. Don't get me wrong, I *am* grateful, the script is super convenient. We can still make -small- criticisms though It's just in this way with equipment ranges it is not very useful to me right now. I'm slowly converting to Legendaries, but it is a little tough as so many are still out of my soulfuse range. I was trying to snag some better Mag equipment, slap some +5 upgrades, and make my leveling easier to get to the good stuff faster. What decondelite said about not knowing the ranges for Mag equipment is what I'm getting at, as unless I have a preponderance of Mag equipment of the same type to compare it to, I do not know if it is trash or decent. This was just a small thing from me. The number of people who use the script are probably already heavily invested in HV, and are of that level. I understand it would be a lot of work/tedious coding for a very minor payoff, as there are not many people using the script for Exq or Mags. Literally just my two cents, thank you f4tal for the script, I should probably put my head back down and keep leveling to get to where it's more useful to me.
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Sep 26 2017, 20:25
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Matrim_Cauthon
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We can always go to the equip range page and see "manually" if the mag or exquisite is good or not.
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Sep 26 2017, 20:28
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lololo16
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QUOTE(PapaJuk @ Sep 26 2017, 15:09)  It's just in this way with equipment ranges it is not very useful to me right now. I'm slowly converting to Legendaries, but it is a little tough as so many are still out of my soulfuse range. I was trying to snag some better Mag equipment, slap some +5 upgrades, and make my leveling easier to get to the good stuff faster. What decondelite said about not knowing the ranges for Mag equipment is what I'm getting at, as unless I have a preponderance of Mag equipment of the same type to compare it to, I do not know if it is trash or decent.
That's why I have two percentile scripts. They have been very useful the last 100 levels 
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Sep 26 2017, 20:28
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f4tal
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QUOTE We can still make -small- criticisms though I have said above what Super and Jenga want to do with Percentile Ranges, just copypaste it here once again: =) QUOTE Days ago Jenga and Superlatanium decided to organised server-based equipment range. In short - Percentile Ranges will send request to Jenga's server with name of the equipment, server will parse the name, get ranges for every stat and their percentage and then send them back to the script and player.
With that setup Percentile Ranges will show actual data for every stat for every quality, and the main advantage - no more hardcoding - all stats would be stored and updated Jenga's server-side. Instead of hard-coding all stats into the script - the script will send request to dedicated server, server will do all crazy range/compare/parse magic and return stats. In is easier to work with server data than hardcoding all stuff in the script and update them. Jenga is collecting information about equipment and their stats for years to keep them up-to-date. But how Jenga collects that data you may ask? He created a small script that collects ids/key of player's equipemnt and send them to his server. I incorporated that script into HVtoolBox as an option - "send information about equipment to Jenga's server", just to make things less fragmented. Whatever ranges you see at wiki page came from Jenga's data (Skillship updates it every few days). Percentile Ranges Script uses that data too. Equipment Comparison Script too. Chart Script too. Now, Jenga and Superlatanium want to make that equipment data always online and always up-to-date instead of re-coding it in various scripts every few days. By the way, I maybe wrong here, but as far as i know, Superlatanium made script for his auction at first but then release it to public. But I might confuse things here. QUOTE Literally just my two cents, thank you f4tal for the script, I should probably put my head back down and keep leveling to get to where it's more useful to me. Author of Percentile Ranges is Superlatanium, not me, say thanks to him =) QUOTE That's why I have two percentile scripts What two? Can you give me a links so I could check why they show different values? This post has been edited by f4tal: Sep 26 2017, 20:33
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Sep 26 2017, 20:30
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Draw99Gray
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QUOTE(PapaJuk @ Sep 26 2017, 15:09)  I kinda get his point though. Don't get me wrong, I *am* grateful, the script is super convenient. We can still make -small- criticisms though
It's just in this way with equipment ranges it is not very useful to me right now. I'm slowly converting to Legendaries, but it is a little tough as so many are still out of my soulfuse range. I was trying to snag some better Mag equipment, slap some +5 upgrades, and make my leveling easier to get to the good stuff faster. What decondelite said about not knowing the ranges for Mag equipment is what I'm getting at, as unless I have a preponderance of Mag equipment of the same type to compare it to, I do not know if it is trash or decent.
This was just a small thing from me. The number of people who use the script are probably already heavily invested in HV, and are of that level. I understand it would be a lot of work/tedious coding for a very minor payoff, as there are not many people using the script for Exq or Mags.
Literally just my two cents, thank you f4tal for the script, I should probably put my head back down and keep leveling to get to where it's more useful to me.
I know the script has room to improve, that isn't the problem. What annoys me is that he was speaking like someone owes something to him when all the work is free and done out of good will. Someone fixed partially the Equipment Comparison script but took it down later, it's pretty buggy but works This post has been edited by Draw99Gray: Sep 26 2017, 20:31
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Sep 26 2017, 20:35
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f4tal
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QUOTE Someone fixed partially the Equipment Comparison script but took it down later, it's pretty buggy but works Do you have that script? Link? I didn't know that anyone fix it/tried to fix - I thought it went straight into abyss. This post has been edited by f4tal: Sep 26 2017, 20:36
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Sep 26 2017, 20:35
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lololo16
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QUOTE(f4tal @ Sep 26 2017, 15:28)  What two? Can you give me a links so I could check why they show different values?
I did it myself a few months ago (just changed the legs values for Mags')
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Sep 26 2017, 20:41
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f4tal
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QUOTE I did it myself a few months ago (just changed the legs values for Mags') Ohh, I see. Good, I thought there was a mistake when Percentile Ranges stand-alone shows different values compare to one in HVtoolBox =) Funny how "Ask the Expert" turned into second "Script thread" (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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Sep 26 2017, 23:06
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Draw99Gray
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QUOTE(f4tal @ Sep 26 2017, 15:35)  Do you have that script? Link?
I didn't know that anyone fix it/tried to fix - I thought it went straight into abyss.
If i'm not wrong, a korean coder fixed it but took it down because he doesn't speak english well, and was going to have troubles debugging it.
Hentaiverse_Equipment_Comparison__fixed_.user.zip ( 129.98k )
Number of downloads: 24
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Sep 26 2017, 23:14
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Scremaz
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uhu, so someone was able to grab it...
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Sep 26 2017, 23:17
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f4tal
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Do anyone know if he is still working on fix or gave up? Or maybe anyone know his nick?
...wait a second, isn't he HanSvar92 (NerfThis)?
This post has been edited by f4tal: Sep 26 2017, 23:18
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Sep 26 2017, 23:29
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Draw99Gray
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I know his nick but won't post it, he purposely took it down to not deal with the debugging. If nobody wants to pick it, at least it works
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Sep 26 2017, 23:36
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Scremaz
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QUOTE(Draw99Gray @ Sep 26 2017, 23:29)  I know his nick but won't post it, he purposely took it down to not deal with the debugging.
you're against the show! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) jk. seems respectful enough of a choice.
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Sep 26 2017, 23:43
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f4tal
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Well, I wanted his nick just to ask if he is still working on a script and could anybody pick his work up.
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Sep 26 2017, 23:50
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Scremaz
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QUOTE(f4tal @ Sep 26 2017, 23:43)  Well, I wanted his nick just to ask if he is still working on a script and could anybody pick his work up.
posting the code and saying he doesn't want to developing it anymore seems enough of a hint to me. go ahead. This post has been edited by Scremaz: Sep 26 2017, 23:51
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