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Sep 20 2017, 23:53
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sickentide
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 21 2017, 00:50)  in case an elemental mage wanted to play no imperil (yes, i know it's not very feasible, but i'm too lazy to put so many IFs, and complicated expressions aren't exactly excel's forte), what may be a proper prof factor?
non-imperil should always go for 1.0, regardless of element
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Sep 21 2017, 00:14
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Scremaz
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 24,307
Joined: 18-January 07

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QUOTE(sickentide @ Sep 20 2017, 23:53)  non-imperil should always go for 1.0, regardless of element
ok, thank you.
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Sep 21 2017, 00:18
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buimon
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 101
Joined: 30-July 11

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QUOTE(sickentide @ Sep 20 2017, 14:53)  non-imperil should always go for 1.0, regardless of element
(IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) Even fire & cold could do that?
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Sep 21 2017, 00:19
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Sapo84
Group: Gold Star Club
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Joined: 14-June 09

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QUOTE(cirrux @ Sep 20 2017, 19:50)  Often times its better to just go cotton shoes of elementalist even if you don't get 0.68 because the damage you gain from a stronger phase part outweighs the specific element reduction. (People go for 0.68 prof is not inefficient, but shoe is more efficient. This is backed up by the prices of the shoe/glove prices) This is even more true in this patch where every prof piece but shoe has been rendered obsolete (given you grind enough).
Yeah, prof gaining above your level really screwed up higher slot. I'm not sure about shoes before prof change though (and gloves may still be very good for willow even now if you aim for 0.68). Even with very good rolls you would end up with 61 mitigation reduction at most, which means it's very likely to end up in a round with at least some monsters with remaining mitigation against your element. Given the fact that a single very tanky monster could mean 1 round more it's not a good idea to have the strongest monster with a lot of remaining mitigation. Tests done years ago (I think nec1986 did test this) were showing that increased prof was more helpful than straight EDB. Things may have changed in the meantime but I doubt that the sweet spot is in the low 0.6 (I would guess it's around 0.65-0.7, no idea where exactly). QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 20 2017, 23:50)  in case an elemental mage wanted to play no imperil (yes, i know it's not very feasible, but i'm too lazy to put so many IFs, and complicated expressions aren't exactly excel's forte), what may be a proper prof factor?
It works, just not as good as holy or dark. sssss2 for example had a very god run with no-imperil elec in hellfests.
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Sep 21 2017, 00:54
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buimon
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 101
Joined: 30-July 11

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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Sep 20 2017, 15:19)  Yeah, prof gaining above your level really screwed up higher slot. I'm not sure about shoes before prof change though (and gloves may still be very good for willow even now if you aim for 0.68). Even with very good rolls you would end up with 61 mitigation reduction at most, which means it's very likely to end up in a round with at least some monsters with remaining mitigation against your element. Given the fact that a single very tanky monster could mean 1 round more it's not a good idea to have the strongest monster with a lot of remaining mitigation. Tests done years ago (I think nec1986 did test this) were showing that increased prof was more helpful than straight EDB. Things may have changed in the meantime but I doubt that the sweet spot is in the low 0.6 (I would guess it's around 0.65-0.7, no idea where exactly). It works, just not as good as holy or dark. sssss2 for example had a very god run with no-imperil elec in hellfests.
When you guys talk about the prof factor, does it assume the element prof the same as your level?
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Sep 21 2017, 01:01
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Sapo84
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 3,332
Joined: 14-June 09

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QUOTE(buimon @ Sep 21 2017, 00:54)  When you guys talk about the prof factor, does it assume the element prof the same as your level?
What do you mean? Prof factor is based on your effective proficiency, the usual assumptions around slots are done with element prof = your level * 1.1 (hath perk) though. Anyway, you can find the formula in the wiki.
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Sep 21 2017, 01:25
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buimon
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 101
Joined: 30-July 11

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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Sep 20 2017, 16:01)  What do you mean? Prof factor is based on your effective proficiency, the usual assumptions around slots are done with element prof = your level * 1.1 (hath perk) though. Anyway, you can find the formula in the wiki. Got it. I asked that simply cuz while I am playing 1H & gaining element prof, the effective prof is my level + 20~30 w/o prof perk. So I have no idea what effect prof I should aim at. Based on the conversation, does it sound like for me, getting cotton gloves and shoes for higher prof is actually better? P.S. I probably go with cold mage.
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Sep 21 2017, 02:35
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jplshejeser
Group: Gold Star Club
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Joined: 24-August 15

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ok ill just look for another mag hallow thank you cirrux
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Sep 21 2017, 13:03
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ALL_MIGHT
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 1,548
Joined: 14-October 16

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Could someone tell me ,After mage ,which play-style is fastest in clearing arenas at normal difficulty? (I found DW to be slower then 1h) Thanks
This post has been edited by ALL_MIGHT: Sep 21 2017, 13:04
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Sep 21 2017, 13:56
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Juggernaut Santa
Group: Gold Star Club
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Joined: 26-April 12

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QUOTE(ALL_MIGHT @ Sep 21 2017, 13:03)  Could someone tell me ,After mage ,which play-style is fastest in clearing arenas at normal difficulty? (I found DW to be slower then 1h) Thanks
On normal maybe 2h is faster. But 1h remains best melee style. Question: is there a way to read base stats on mobile? I tried holding, scrolling, but nothing happens. Suggestions? I tried on Firefox, Chrome and Opera Mobile.
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Sep 21 2017, 13:57
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f4tal
Group: Members
Posts: 2,662
Joined: 10-January 13

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Guys and ladies, could you remind me please, how important Agility for 1H Heavy?
Currently I have 420+40+138 agility which totally give me +2.9% attack speed bonus. Is it too much?
I don't have any problem with clearing any arena, but just for micro-optimization purpose I can reduce my agility a little to get more hits from enemies and give more counterattacks back? Or my guessing is wrong?
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Sep 21 2017, 14:06
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Uncle Stu
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(f4tal @ Sep 21 2017, 13:57)  Guys and ladies, could you remind me please, how important Agility for 1H Heavy?
Currently I have 420+40+138 agility which totally give me +2.9% attack speed bonus. Is it too much?
I don't have any problem with clearing any arena, but just for micro-optimization purpose I can reduce my agility a little to get more hits from enemies and give more counterattacks back? Or my guessing is wrong?
Simple, as 1H player you dont want it. You dont want the evade, you dont want the speed, it is just overall bad for you.
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Sep 21 2017, 14:09
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Scremaz
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 24,307
Joined: 18-January 07

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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Sep 21 2017, 13:56)  Question: is there a way to read base stats on mobile? I tried holding, scrolling, but nothing happens. Suggestions? I tried on Firefox, Chrome and Opera Mobile.
seems not. QUOTE(f4tal @ Sep 21 2017, 13:57)  Guys and ladies, could you remind me please, how important Agility for 1H Heavy?
not so much. you may still want it to boost your PMI a little, but that's it. if you use that persona for DW as well, then keep it as high as the other ones. otherwise, intermediate between INT and the others, perhaps.
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Sep 21 2017, 14:26
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testsubject290
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 239
Joined: 24-January 16

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QUOTE(f4tal @ Sep 20 2017, 12:24) 
QUOTE(sickentide @ Sep 20 2017, 12:48)  if it happens only at the end of rounds, setting "ajaxRound = false," in the settings section may be worth a try
Yup, that did the trick, thanks for the help.
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Sep 21 2017, 20:06
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kukrak
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 354
Joined: 4-April 10

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Hello, i've just dropped this shortsword, and im currently using this rapier. i've been told that the shortsword is a lot better, and i just wanna ask to make sure. I currently play REs as often as i can, arena - eternal darkness; end of days and the trio and the tree only, for the xp mainly. and also drop (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) at PFUDOR diff. Here are my stats, using full power armor of w/e was aviable so i wanna ask for your opinion on what should i use, thanks (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) [ image.prntscr.com] https://image.prntscr.com/image/R7iMIwTnSgmL8Y3Ry8tM2Q.png[edit]: horizontal scrolling is bad. This post has been edited by Scremaz: Sep 22 2017, 00:37
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Sep 21 2017, 21:04
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Muddybug
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 463
Joined: 28-March 17

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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Sep 20 2017, 14:00)  Nice description. Would this be fit for the Wiki Advice Advancesd page?
Needs to be recorded somewhere, please.
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Sep 21 2017, 22:21
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Ea-Moon
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 1,870
Joined: 4-February 15

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I've got about 35 million right now between on-hand and materials I can sell fairly easily.
With that in mind, I'm looking to get both a Gold Star in the future and a decent mage set. Which should I probably aim more towards first?
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Sep 21 2017, 22:31
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Sapo84
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 3,332
Joined: 14-June 09

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QUOTE(Ea-Moon @ Sep 21 2017, 22:21)  With that in mind, I'm looking to get both a Gold Star in the future and a decent mage set. Which should I probably aim more towards first?
Gold star. At least you know how much you will need to invest.
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Sep 22 2017, 00:27
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KitsuneAbby
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
Posts: 7,572
Joined: 12-July 14

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QUOTE(kukrak @ Sep 21 2017, 20:06)  Hello, i've just dropped this shortsword, and im currently using this rapier. i've been told that the shortsword is a lot better, and i just wanna ask to make sure. I currently play REs as often as i can, arena - eternal darkness; end of days and the trio and the tree only, for the xp mainly. and also drop (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) at PFUDOR diff. Here are my stats, using full power armor of w/e was aviable so i wanna ask for your opinion on what should i use, thanks (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) 1) Use shorter screenshots, please. 2) I still confirm that the shortsword is a lot better. Try to IW it (and to get nice potencies if you can afford to reforge), forge everything to Lvl5 except the Agility PAB. 3) Stop investing points in your agility. Agility is one of your enemies while playing 1H. You ideally want 0% attack speed bonus and 0% evade. 4) Show us your equipments so we can say what needs to be done in this field.
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Sep 22 2017, 00:34
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f4tal
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Joined: 10-January 13

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QUOTE 1) Use shorter screenshots, please. Or even better - attach picture to the post and use "add to post" button (nor embed to post button!). That recommendation is maybe not that useful when reader is sitting at front of wide-screen PC monitor, but it becomes handy when reader is reading from regular android phone, like me =) This post has been edited by f4tal: Sep 22 2017, 00:35
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