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Increase something else instead. My 1H and 2H profs are capped, and my shield is... let's see... .04 below the cap, so I use the Montage to increase DW. Keeps my options open.

The problem is you are penalized for low prof on your weapons/armor. My shield is below my level/2, so it hurts me to use a shield. You have to remember some of us were already high level when equip became available.

The fun is gone.

With all of the nerfing lately, I am left playing for EXP and potions. This last week, whether I play 100s of rounds of Cake Fest, and average of 17 rounds of NormalFest, 7 rounds of HardfFest, or the first five arenas, all I ever get are potions, except once every other day I get an Infusion or minor scroll.

Reporting period: Saturday, October 17, 2009 7:54:25 AM to Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:47:41 PM (4 days, 12 hours, 53 mins)
Number of rounds: 494

Arena Rewards
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Total Rewards: 24

Artifact: 0 (0%)

Equipment: 0 (0%)

Item: 24 (100%)
[Greater Health Draught] x 2
[Average Health Potion] x 7
[Lesser Mana Potion] x 4
[Average Mana Potion] x 3
[Average Mana Draught] x 1
[Greater Health Potion] x 2
[Scroll of Shielding] x 1
[Average Health Draught] x 2
[Lesser Health Potion] x 1
[Lesser Spirit Potion] x 1

Token Bonus: 1 (4.17% chance)
[Token of Blood]: 0 (0%)
[Token of Healing]: 1 (100%)

From GrindFest, Hourlies, and Arena mobs (same period)
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Item Drops: 139 from 2380 monsters (5.84% drop chance)
[Average Health Draught] x 14
[Infusion of Lightning] x 1
[Average Mana Draught] x 8
[Lesser Health Potion] x 22
[Greater Mana Potion] x 8
[Greater Mana Draught] x 3
[Lesser Health Draught] x 17
[Lesser Mana Draught] x 10
[Average Health Potion] x 15
[Greater Health Potion] x 20
[Greater Health Draught] x 8
[Average Mana Potion] x 2
[Lesser Mana Potion] x 8
[Greater Spirit Potion] x 1
[Superior Health Draught] x 1
[Infusion of Frost] x 1

Before I re-set teh stats2 or 3 days earlier, I had over 300 combined rounds with 1 non-potion drop [Scroll of Swiftness]. My last special drop was

2009-10-15 11:25 +502 Sold "Fair Steel Chainmail Coif of Dampening"

(Sold because I have a far better Plate Helm.)

If a week like this was your desired intent, I feel it was going too far. Battling in GrindFest, Hourlies, and Arenas just for EXP and potions is just too boring. (Trust me, I just spent a week doing it.) Having just Leveled-up after Dawn and a ruin through the Arenas I don't overly fear losing Credits, I felt no joying in Leveling-Up, and no real desire to try for Level 65 or otherwise continue to mindlessly grind for basically nothing. While I have mindlessly grinded in other RPGs at the beginning to quickly level up a few times before starting the story, here this is no adventure to finally head off to, and the only end is to walk away.

I do have one last question: If I get a "You have encountered a monster" banner and just ignore it, will not fighting the hourly battle interfere with the daily Dawn banner?

Love the tweaked effect durations. Heh, the 3000 a day seems reasonable though I don’t even make over 1000 c a day. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Can't wait ta see what ya have in store for v 11 keep up the great work yo and keep on rockin jah? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

@Alpha: when you tried normal grindfest, did you use good items? Like, I agree with you that currently the drops leave a little something to be desired, especially given the rate of healing/blood tokens, but you're finding some decent potions and draughts on cake, you might try using those to last longer on normal?

@Tenb: If I remember correctly, there was a limit on how many monster skills could be used against us each turn, and I thought that number was two. Do I have the number wrong or has it changed?

This post has been edited by DemonEyesBob: Oct 22 2009, 04:39

The fun is gone.

With all of the nerfing lately, I am left playing for EXP and potions. This last week, whether I play 100s of rounds of Cake Fest, and average of 17 rounds of NormalFest, 7 rounds of HardfFest, or the first five arenas, all I ever get are potions, except once every other day I get an Infusion or minor scroll.

I know the feeling. What I found fun was the equipment hunting and training. But with the lowering of prices of equips, less people were willing to sell leftovers because they think it's worth more, and now with the lowering of credits, a person's average wealth decreases and equips are seen as even more precious. Training now takes very long with the credit nerfs.

Is it possible that maybe we could increase the drop rate on minibosses, bosses and legendaries?

and I know this goes counter to burn the credit, kill the credit, purge the credit philosophy, but a lot of the fun of collection based rpg's is collecting. Consider drastically increasing the drop rate and cutting the credit value of items by the same amount. 4x the drop rate and 1/4 the sell price would keep the credit level balanced but really, the fun of games like diablo and borderlands is seeing creatures, especially minibosses and up, pop in multicolored explosions of glorious items. And then sorting them and comparing them and trading them to optimize your character to be more better.

godamn my inability to spell while typing quickly.

This post has been edited by marcho: Oct 22 2009, 06:44

Is it possible that maybe we could increase the drop rate on minibosses, bosses and legendaries?

and I know this goes counter to burn the credit, kill the credit, purge the credit philosophy, but a lot of the fun of collection based rpg's is collecting. Consider drastically increasing the drop rate and cutting the credit value of items by the same amount. 4x the drop rate and 1/4 the sell price would keep the credit level balanced but really, the fun of games like diablo and borderlands is seeing creatures, especially minibosses and up, pop in multicolored explosions of glorious items. And then sorting them and comparing them and trading them to optimize your character to be more better.

godamn my inability to spell while typing quickly.

+1

In the current situation to find a mid-boss is a waste of time because you do not get anything to the challenge. Could have a bonus in these monsters.

@Alpha: when you tried normal grindfest, did you use good items? Like, I agree with you that currently the drops leave a little something to be desired, especially given the rate of healing/blood tokens, but you're finding some decent potions and draughts on cake, you might try using those to last longer on normal?

On normal and hard, I use all 6 items, 2 average mana, 2 greater mana, and 2 greater health, and I still get nothing but, a better grade of pots. On cake, I can get 40-50 rounds befoire needing a pot but, by then I am so bopred and have collected enough EXP to level up an Attribute, I usually flee the boredom. although, in the few cakses I do burn Items, I still get teh same results, more pots.

I have never gotten a single artifact drop.


Lol.

On normal and hard, I use all 6 items, 2 average mana, 2 greater mana, and 2 greater health, and I still get nothing but, a better grade of pots. On cake, I can get 40-50 rounds befoire needing a pot but, by then I am so bopred and have collected enough EXP to level up an Attribute, I usually flee the boredom. although, in the few cakses I do burn Items, I still get teh same results, more pots.

I've found that elixirs seem to drop about 1/100 - 1/150 rounds. I can almost guarantee an elixir (or other special, but almost always an elixir) every time I start cakefest and get to anywhere from round 100-150 (ironically enough, I got one on round 1 last time I did cakefest a few minutes ago). The special items like soul stones and bubblegum etc are on the special tree, and the quality bonuses you can get in cakefest simply don't get high enough for you to expect getting those (funny enough, hito's quality bonus is so high he can't get elixirs anymore, they're all bubblegum and flower vases).

Equipment drops are just scattered as hell. Sometimes I find 5-10 per 150 rounds, other times not even 1 in 400-500 rounds. :\

Also, you need more item slots. Lots more.

EDIT: Cakefest is extremely boring. The only way I get through it is using a 2hand longsword with bleed. Watching 5-9 mobs die of bleed all at the same time is the only thing that keeps me going. That and elixirs. Speak of the devil I just found another.

I honestly have yet to see how far I can go on normal grindfest since the recent changes. I'll probably try later today. Maybe with my new club. That'll probably not end well, but lolz anyway.

I have never gotten a single artifact drop.
Lol.

A few weeks ago I felt your pain. Now I feel the pain of having suddenly gotten 4 in a week and not found any since then (about 3 weeks ago).

@Tenb: Lowering the quality score for tokens of blood would really be appreciated. I find maybe 1 token every 250 item drops in grindfest, and it's ALWAYS a health token. Blood tokens need to be a bit more available.
Items: 98.16% of drops
Item Drops: 532 from 8318 monsters (6.4% drop chance)
[Lesser Health Draught] x 61
[Lesser Mana Potion] x 26
[Lesser Health Potion] x 56
[Average Spirit Potion] x 2
[Average Health Potion] x 49
[Average Mana Potion] x 26
[Average Mana Draught] x 18
[Lesser Spirit Draught] x 1
[Average Health Draught] x 59
[Lesser Spirit Potion] x 3
[Lesser Mana Draught] x 22
[Average Spirit Draught] x 3
[Greater Health Draught] x 48
[Greater Health Potion] x 54
[Greater Mana Draught] x 22
[Greater Mana Potion] x 19
[Greater Spirit Draught] x 1
[Greater Spirit Potion] x 1
[Superior Health Draught] x 11
[Superior Health Potion] x 7
[Superior Mana Draught] x 6
[Superior Mana Potion] x 3
[Godly Health Potion] x 1
[Godly Mana Draught] x 1
[Infusion of Storms] x 3
[Infusion of Flames] x 1
[Infusion of Frost] x 1
[Infusion of Darkness] x 2
[Infusion of Divinity] x 2
[Scroll of Shielding] x 4
[Scroll of Warding] x 4
[Scroll of Swiftness] x 3
[Health Elixir] x 3
[Mana Elixir] x 5
[Spirit Elixir] x 1
[Soul Stone] x 1
[Token of Healing] x 2

Strikethrough stuff is below greater in quality.
Bold is either rare, useful, or both.
Infusions are not useful, so guess which category they go under?
Made somewhat pointless by my re-ordering, but oh well. I'm not unbolding them.

Health items less than superior quality (AKA Useless): 327 (61.47%)
Mana items less than greater quality (AKA Useless): 92 (17.29%)
Spirit items: Insignificant.
Infusions and Scrolls: 20 (3.75%) (Essentially useless)
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At least 80% of drops on cakefest are useless.


Elixirs and Specials (same tree): 10 (1.88%)
Tokens: 2 (no fucking clue what tree they're on) (0.37%)
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Cool and unusual stuff: 2.25%

I can understand why Alpha is bored and annoyed :\

This post has been edited by DemonEyesBob: Oct 22 2009, 14:52

nvm edited out..

This post has been edited by ExTe: Oct 22 2009, 14:12

I've found that elixirs seem to drop about 1/100 - 1/150 rounds. I can almost guarantee an elixir (or other special, but almost always an elixir) every time I start cakefest and get to anywhere from round 100-150 (ironically enough, I got one on round 1 last time I did cakefest a few minutes ago). The special items like soul stones and bubblegum etc are on the special tree, and the quality bonuses you can get in cakefest simply don't get high enough for you to expect getting those (funny enough, hito's quality bonus is so high he can't get elixirs anymore, they're all bubblegum and flower vases).

I realize that but, my survivability on Normal, using all my Items, full Plate, and my bleeding longsword, just don't get me far enough to reach the Special Drop range.

Equipment drops are just scattered as hell. Sometimes I find 5-10 per 150 rounds, other times not even 1 in 300 or 400 rounds. :\

Equipment is part of teh Special drop range. Before the nerfing of the quality bonus I was getting maybe 3 Equipment every two days, mostly from Arena. When he moved Elixirs to Special, they suddenly replaced my Equipment drops. I went from 1 Elixir in nearly 6 months of play to something like 12 Elixirs plus only 3 Equipment. With the latest change, even they have disappeared. Honestly with both being below Level 70, having Interference so high that Focus fails most times, and my poor survivability above Cake, the Elixirs are a wasted drop as I cannot compete in a battle were they would be useful, like high Arenas, or the Ring of Blood. Of course, only getting a 8% Token bonus drop from Arenas, and then only Healing, I couldn't try the RoB, even if I wanted.

Also, you need more item slots. Lots more.

That's easy to say but, the first one is 25,000 Credits and is well out of my price range. I can only afford a few thousand credits a day and that mostly comes from my Gold Star or selling a few HatH. I just adopted a slot so, I might be able to sell enough HatH and convert GP from it to get 2-3 Item slots, but even that would likely buy me only 5 more rounds (if that) and only slightly better pot drops. I can go quite awhile before using my first potion but, then I quickly burn through them.

I realize that but, my survivability on Normal, using all my Items, full Plate, and my bleeding longsword, just don't get me far enough to reach the Special Drop range.

When not caking (so, for normal grindfestt), you might try some combo of heavy plate and other. Simply put you're probably getting hit 2 times per turn by several monsters quite often; heavy plate is heavy. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Equipment is part of the Special drop range.

No, equipment is equipment. Specials are part of the consumable drop range. The special tree holds elixirs, bubble gum, soul stone, flower vase, and possibly the tokens, though I don't think so. Elixirs are at the bottom of the special range, so you're most likely to get them if you get a special.

Is the drop a consumable?
if yes:
1% chance of special
4% chance of scroll/infusion
95% chance of potion/draught

I pulled those numbers out of my ass, but it gets the general point across.

That's easy to say but, the first one is 25,000 Credits and is well out of my price range. I can only afford a few thousand credits a day and that mostly comes from my Gold Star or selling a few HatH... I can go quite awhile before using my first potion but, then I quickly burn through them.

Yeah... they're expensive. :\ I'm not making lots of credits myself, and I'm not even willing to sell my hath until I finally get the next credit perk. And yes, the new grindfest 1% power increase per round rules let you get to a certain point without using any items, and then you have to use all of them within like the next 15 rounds. Haven't quite figured out a way around that one yet.

This post has been edited by DemonEyesBob: Oct 22 2009, 14:26

Eish, so many problems, only 1 Tenboro....

Eish, so many problems, only 1 Tenboro....

Why didn't anyone think of that before, WE HAVE TO CLONE HIM. Quick someone start research on how to remove the "evil dungeonkeeper" gene from dna. Then we can clone hundreds of completely benevolent Tenboro's.

Heh, I'd be lucky if I've even accumulated 100 credits in a single grindfest, I can't imagine playing this game long enough to break into 4 digits.

Why didn't anyone think of that before, WE HAVE TO CLONE HIM. Quick someone start research on how to remove the "evil dungeonkeeper" gene from dna. Then we can clone hundreds of completely benevolent Tenboro's.

Sure! Now where did I put my Evil Dungeonkeeper DNA remover....

When not caking (so, for normal grindfestt), you might try some combo of heavy plate and other. Simply put you're probably getting hit 2 times per turn by several monsters quite often; heavy plate is heavy. Correct me if I'm wrong.

My burden is like 85, and my Interference is 101. That's with level 64 and Heavy prof at 60. If I switch out the plate, I start getting eaten up much earlier and my survivability plunges even more.

No, equipment is equipment. Specials are part of the consumable drop range. The special tree holds elixirs, bubble gum, soul stone, flower vase, and possibly the tokens, though I don't think so. Elixirs are at the bottom of the special range, so you're most likely to get them if you get a special.

Is the drop a consumable?
if yes:
1% chance of special
4% chance of scroll/infusion
95% chance of potion/draught

I pulled those numbers out of my ass, but it gets the general point across.

Then why did my usual Equipment drops suddenly become Elixirs at a rate of 4 Elixirs per Equipment when he moved Elixirs to Special?

Yeah... they're expensive. :\ I'm not making lots of credits myself, and I'm not even willing to sell my hath until I finally get the next credit perk. And yes, the new grindfest 1% power increase per round rules let you get to a certain point without using any items, and then you have to use all of them within like the next 15 rounds. Haven't quite figured out a way around that one yet.

I just checked and 4 Item Slots cost 200,000 Credits. I've never had more than an eighth of that at any one time (and that was from a donation). That's about 6 months worth of Gold Star HatH. That's a major investment in HatH for something that'll only buy me a few more rounds, and if I try to go against Bosses or higher, I'd need those slots for the special Items to fight the Boss, so, I'd still end up dead several rounds before ever approaching the Final Boss Round.

What the hell happened to the exp bonus for beating Legendaries? My final round of Twisted Plots netted me half the normal amount of exp. When did this happen and how soon can it be changed back??