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I've gotta say that bleed has been sorely hit by the new turn rules. When you're fighting 9 mobs on grindfest, and say 6 of them die from bleed (quite possible with my 2h weapon, thank you marcho <3), that's 6 extra attacks I just took. Consider that happening every single round of grindfest, and that's a lot of 'last laugh' attacks to go around.

Also, Tenb, you said that spirit attacks for monsters are like their skills but with soul type damage (and in the case of bosses, a shitton more powerful). So why is Manbearpig still doing fire damage from global warming? I get the whole global warming = fire thing, but it's a spirit attack and should thus be doing soul damage according to what you said earlier (unless I misunderstood).

Not sure how this affects lower level people more. Even at 150 your still only fighting a hand full of boss monsters in arenas, unless you get unlucky/lucky (depending how you look at it) and run into them on grindfest. And as hito said the increase in credits is negligible compared to the overall drop from all monsters.

I just did a grind on normal and ran into a Manbearpig in the 3rd round. 1 Globalwarming later I was left with like 15hp and the other mobs quickly finished me off. So yeah.

I just did a grind on normal and ran into a Manbearpig in the 3rd round. 1 Globalwarming later I was left with like 15hp and the other mobs quickly finished me off. So yeah.

You're level 34, you're not expected to beat them. You don't have silence or spark of life, and honestly I'm surprised you survived global warming to be killed by the others >_>

...and honestly I'm surprised you survived global warming to be killed by the others >_>

Woohoo! I'm feeling... invincible!! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
So I guess the new credit scaling doesn't help me at all.

Oh well back to scavenging for more uploads and eventually H@H when I finally get a spare computer.

You should read the update threads. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I read them all. However, that bit of information was buried in a non-relevant part of the update...

I assume by "battle" he means "round". I also assume it won't stop you if you exceed the three minute limit while you're in the middle of it. I'm doing a lot of assuming...

... about anti-botting, and GrindFest starts that was tl:dr and would never apply to myself. Just 60 rounds of GrindFest is an eternity requiring multiple-away-from-keyboard breaks to endure.

I've gotta say that bleed has been sorely hit by the new turn rules. When you're fighting 9 mobs on grindfest, and say 6 of them die from bleed (quite possible with my 2h weapon, thank you marcho <3), that's 6 extra attacks I just took. Consider that happening every single round of grindfest, and that's a lot of 'last laugh' attacks to go around.

Also, Tenb, you said that spirit attacks for monsters are like their skills but with soul type damage (and in the case of bosses, a shitton more powerful). So why is Manbearpig still doing fire damage from global warming? I get the whole global warming = fire thing, but it's a spirit attack and should thus be doing soul damage according to what you said earlier (unless I misunderstood).

Are you sure Global Warming is its Spirit Attack and not its magic attack?

Are you sure Global Warming is its Spirit Attack and not its magic attack?

Well, the bestiary says it, and I'll admit super serial does soul damage, but...

2 5 Super Serial hits you for 601 soul damage.
2 4 Manbearpig uses Super Serial

27 7 Global Warming hits you for 5485 fire damage.
27 6 Manbearpig casts Global Warming

I'm pretty sure Global Warming is the spirit attack.

Well, the bestiary says it, and I'll admit super serial does soul damage, but...

2 5 Super Serial hits you for 601 soul damage.
2 4 Manbearpig uses Super Serial

27 7 Global Warming hits you for 5485 fire damage.
27 6 Manbearpig casts Global Warming

I'm pretty sure Global Warming is the spirit attack.

Well the damage numbers definitely don't agree with the wording. Magic is usually "cast", and Spirit Attacks are "used". You'll have to check his Spirit bar the next time he uses one of them. Which ever one leaves it with an empty Spirit bar is the winner.

This post has been edited by Alpha 7: Oct 21 2009, 08:04

Well the damage numbers definitely don't agree with the wording. Magic is usually "cast", and Spirit Attacks are "used". You'll have to check his Spirit bar the next time he uses one of them. Which ever one leaves it with an empty Spirit bar is the winner.

There are both physical and magical spirit attacks for monsters (remember, they're like monster skills except with soul dmg type). Ambergris Alert is magical, Om Nom Nom is physical.

This post has been edited by DemonEyesBob: Oct 21 2009, 08:31

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This post has been edited by DemonEyesBob: Oct 21 2009, 08:29

I assume by "battle" he means "round". I also assume it won't stop you if you exceed the three minute limit while you're in the middle of it. I'm doing a lot of assuming...

You'd need to grind away over a long period of time to even have a chance to hit the limit. While the cut-off point for battle starts is 100 and decreasing by one per hour, the battle round limit is set at 10000 and decreasing by one every three minutes.

I've gotta say that bleed has been sorely hit by the new turn rules. When you're fighting 9 mobs on grindfest, and say 6 of them die from bleed (quite possible with my 2h weapon, thank you marcho <3), that's 6 extra attacks I just took. Consider that happening every single round of grindfest, and that's a lot of 'last laugh' attacks to go around.

Hey, maybe you shouldn't have complained about the battle log. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Also, Tenb, you said that spirit attacks for monsters are like their skills but with soul type damage (and in the case of bosses, a shitton more powerful). So why is Manbearpig still doing fire damage from global warming? I get the whole global warming = fire thing, but it's a spirit attack and should thus be doing soul damage according to what you said earlier (unless I misunderstood).

Dunno. They do whatever damage type I tell them to do, while most are soul there's nothing stopping me from setting it to something else.

Hey, maybe you shouldn't have complained about the battle log. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Oh sure, push it all on me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) all I asked for was the log to change so that it went:

4 5 cock dies.
4 4 cock takes 80 damage from bleed.

instead of:

4 5 cock takes 80 damage from bleed.
4 4 cock dies

That's simply a printing error, not a change in when stuff actually takes affect. Although there was also the issue with offhand proc's showing up first... I haven't checked if that's fixed yet...

Dunno. They do whatever damage type I tell them to do, while most are soul there's nothing stopping me from setting it to something else.

If you say so all mighty one (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Your next godly legendary should have its skill/spirit attack type change randomly in battle, thus making mitigation a pain in the ass. Excuse me, a bigger pain in the ass. Lolz.

This post has been edited by DemonEyesBob: Oct 21 2009, 09:10

if you have bleeds on 4-5 guys you can always defend so they die and do little damage to you.

if you have bleeds on 4-5 guys you can always defend so they die and do little damage to you.

I'd considered that, but on grindfest it's usually 8-9 mobs per round, and if 4-5 are bleeding there are still another 4-5 waiting for me to make them bleed, and 9 monsters hitting you at once hurts, even with defend. On arenas, the problem comes in the form of mini-bosses, which take quite a few more hits than regular mobs, and I swear the canuck and hedgehog hit for huge amounts even with defend, especially if they use their skills (which defend gives them plenty of time to build up for).

I apologize if that didn't flow well. 3:50am. I'll fix it in the morning. Bed time. <3hamster

This post has been edited by DemonEyesBob: Oct 21 2009, 09:51

Oh sure, push it all on me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) all I asked for was the log to change so that it went:

4 5 cock dies.
4 4 cock takes 80 damage from bleed.

instead of:

4 5 cock takes 80 damage from bleed.
4 4 cock dies

That's simply a printing error, not a change in when stuff actually takes affect. Although there was also the issue with offhand proc's showing up first... I haven't checked if that's fixed yet...

It was only a "printing error" if somehow the order stuff happened in with regards to the log was buffered somewhere, but as it is, it prints stuff as it happens. And what you asked for was to have stuff not expire at the start of the turn. Which happens to be a part of the same subsystem that calculates HoTs and DoTs. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Your next godly legendary should have its skill/spirit attack type change randomly in battle, thus making mitigation a pain in the ass. Excuse me, a bigger pain in the ass. Lolz.

Nothing stopping me from having several different spirit attacks for a monster. But the elements are supposed to be a part of the stuff you can make a strategy from. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

It was only a "printing error" if somehow the order stuff happened in with regards to the log was buffered somewhere, but as it is, it prints stuff as it happens. And what you asked for was to have stuff not expire at the start of the turn. Which happens to be a part of the same subsystem that calculates HoTs and DoTs. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Ah... I did ask for that didn't I... I wasn't the only one! Wait, it was weird having focus say it ended at the beginning of the turn where it would've taken effect, so that made sense to change. I guess I don't know enough about the internals to understand why you couldn't have changed it without killing bleed (no pun intended).

Nothing stopping me from having several different spirit attacks for a monster. But the elements are supposed to be a part of the stuff you can make a strategy from. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Who needs strategies when you're level 250 and have awesome prismy armor of superior awesomeness? Also, not much strategy to be had from the simple idea "oh fuck, can't let spirit attacks hit me". That's pretty constant among the bosses, legendary and elemental spirit attacks or not (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Also... shit. Forgot what I was gonna say... probably something about evil canucks and hedgehogs doing massive damage. Probably also something about raising the credit cap a bit. 3,000 is a lot a lot (double on purpose) smaller than 80,000. But come on, 2-3 credits per round? At least let mini-bosses count as rare mobs, or make them somewhere in between. As it is, on grindfest I'm averaging less than 1C per mob. That's a bit extreme, no?

This post has been edited by DemonEyesBob: Oct 21 2009, 10:42

not much strategy to be had from the simple idea "oh fuck, can't let spirit attacks hit me". That's pretty constant among the bosses, legendary and elemental spirit attacks or not (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Sure it is. But those spirit attacks don't actually work quite like I want them to, so you'll probably see something there at some point.

108 11 You gain 34 Credits!
108 10 You gain 1029.29 EXP!
108 9 Your HP and MP have been fully restored!
108 8 Arena Token Bonus! Received:
[Token of Healing]
108 7 Arena Clear Bonus! Received:
[Superior Health Potion]
108 6 White Bunneh dropped [Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch]
108 5 You are Victorious!
108 4 Effect Overwhelming Strikes on yourself has expired.
108 3 Regen restores you with 44 points of health.
108 2 White Bunneh has been defeated.
108 1 You hit White Bunneh for 252 piercing damage.

Wow yay, a full 34 credits. I feel rich.

Wow yay, a full 34 credits. I feel rich.

Mmm yeah, that's not right...

@Tenboro: Since Overwhelming Strikes no longer increases the block chance, would it be possible to allow one to go into montage with just a shield and increase the shield prof without also increasing the one-hand weapon prof?

@Tenboro: Since Overwhelming Strikes no longer increases the block chance, would it be possible to allow one to go into montage with just a shield and increase the shield prof without also increasing the one-hand weapon prof?

I second that. My shield prof is 20 points below my level and doesn't want to increase. What can be done?