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I think I have determined the root of the problem with a lot of the new updates for many many people, the challenge keeps going up but the reward keeps going down, and it makes people just think like "Wow this is so not worth the effort it takes."

Let me ask you this, then - over what time frame do you think you should acquire all of the trainable skills? Or reach level 100? 200?
Personally, I think that it should be impossible to fully max anything, whether it be the skills or the ability tree. If slowing us down is what does that, so be it.

edit: slowing, not showing

I agree that it should be impossible to fully max anything, but i believe that it should be done in a way that doesn't eliminate the ability to play for some people, like, if i try to just grindfest on normal, using the healer between the fights, i can't, i'll hemorrhage credits until i can't heal and am stuck, putting all that effort in to get negative returns.
but honestly I love almost all of the mechanics of the game, it's just the reward mechanics that are starting to make it hard for me to even play, because that's the only way i can really get much of any credits because i'm too lazy to go through all my hentai and find what's not on the site, and upload it, although i have done it with a few.
But it just gives this feeling of you can't win, even if you win, you still lose. when I first started playing that wasn't the case, so i know it's possible to revive that feeling of being able to win something.

Edit: Sorry for the rant, it's just disheartening winning fights that are challenging and all you get in return is more credits getting taken from you, and a couple of experience.

Use the edit button not the first time you are double posting.

I'm pretty sure it was nearly impossible to max out any of the skills before the item drop nerf, the last few ranks of pretty much all the training are well over half a million each, and there is meaning you probably need more then 5 million credits for the last 10 levels of training. Even with the elixir farming that would still take months. I can see the elixir change, to limit this even more but the added infusion and general consumable change makes it absolutely impossible. As it is now even doing a few hundred rounds of cakefest doesn't let me get to the break even point for consumables spent on arenas, so for the near future training isn't gonna be happening at all.

At the moment it takes 448,169,930C to max out all the training.

Just to put that into perscpective that's about 500 000Hath!

457 years of running one adopt a server slot.

Or you could donate $1 792 679 I guess.

Half of that is ability boosts though. But only half.

That's what I mean. Everything is just getting harder and harder with no rewards. I'm just disappointed that it's not fun anymore. I use to be able to play for hours on normal, get a few items here and there and it was great.

That's what I mean. Everything is just getting harder and harder with no rewards. I'm just disappointed that it's not fun anymore. I use to be able to play for hours on normal, get a few items here and there and it was great.

well it's not quite no reward, it's actually a negative reward for me =\ because even if i win, i still lose credits.

It's only not farmable if you view the HentaiVerse itself as the MMO. The point is that the as a whole site is the MMO, and uploading galleries/creating torrents/tagging/rating/etc is part of the grind. And unlike killing five million monsters in HV, that's actually USEFUL for the site.

And how can you *possibly* lose credits?

I can vouch for losing credits on average in grind/arenas, and he's the same level I am right now. Level 38 monsters are completely kicking my ass and draining my health faster than cure can heal on normal if there are more than a couple of them. I can only survive 8-12 rounds cakegrind without restoratives, 12-20 with. Normal I last about 3-5 rounds if I'm lucky. I'm afraid to try any arena above Test of Faith right now, and I've lost on arenas lower than that. I think it's partly that I'm still using mostly bronze equipment but I haven't found anything better than what I was using in a long time. *shrug*

And how can you *possibly* lose credits?

He must be spend more credits at healer than the credits he got from whacking the monsters... Well, that's just the result of not knowing what is regeneration for. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Note: Just a retard who think HV as MMO.

My daily habit was: To do all the arenas up to my lvl, which was exciting challenge and i was looking forward to the next round when i lvl up. Than i did like 20ish rounds of normal grindfest and some ocasional hourlies.
That was about an hour a day for me having fun.

Now i am stuck on Road less traveled -8th round of arena, cause i don't have any better potions to fight with against mobs. I don't do cakegrinding cause i just hate that long boring mass slaughter with no reward, and grinding on normal will only get me through 5-10 rounds depending on how much luck i have with restoratives drop. (concidering i have 13 scavenger and drops have been nerfed down to almost nonexitant that is another letdown)
So all i realy have the strenght and will to do since 0.3.8 is first 8-10 arenas and occasional hourlies, the rest is just too dificult and no fun at all.

My personal believe is that 0.3.6 was the best patch yet and the best way to fix the current problem would be to only halve the dmg received from monsters, which has doubled in 0.3.8.
The rest could stay the same, as we would be able to last longer and get more rewards from the fights, i believe everyone would be happy that way.

I was wondering about the damage increase, actually... A lot of people are mentioning that they're taking considerably more damage in 0.3.8 than they were in 0.3.7, and I had noticed that myself also. Looking at the patch notes, though, there's nothing that looks like it should be causing this.

Tenboro mentioned earlier that monster damage might have been increased by the changes he made so that special attacks wouldn't one-shot people. Assuming I'm not just being paranoid about this, maybe it would be possible to take a look at what changed there and see if anything needs to be tweaked to get damage back in line?

It's only not farmable if you view the HentaiVerse itself as the MMO. The point is that the as a whole site is the MMO, and uploading galleries/creating torrents/tagging/rating/etc is part of the grind. And unlike killing five million monsters in HV, that's actually USEFUL for the site.

And how can you *possibly* lose credits?

I don't think HV should be farmable, but I think it should return an equal amount of reward as effort is put into it, as it is now, there is absolutely no point in HV being part of the website, it provides nothing to it, because there is nothing that is gained from it. If I even try to gain some credits to browse the website to download some archives from HV i end up losing credits, making me leave the site, instead of continuing to browse which would increase the ad revenue of the site itself.

He must be spend more credits at healer than the credits he got from whacking the monsters... Well, that's just the result of not knowing what is regeneration for. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Note: Just a retard who think HV as MMO.

Do you really think I think of HV as an MMO? or are you a complete retard?

and i guess you're idea of a way to get credits would be kill about 5 mobs, wait an entire hour, then barely have regened completely. and if you are talking about a regeneration spell, that is not unlocked at my level.



Question for Tenboro: why do you even have HV on the site?

This post has been edited by Darque_Flux: Oct 10 2009, 11:02

I was wondering about the damage increase, actually... A lot of people are mentioning that they're taking considerably more damage in 0.3.8 than they were in 0.3.7, and I had noticed that myself also. Looking at the patch notes, though, there's nothing that looks like it should be causing this.

Tenboro mentioned earlier that monster damage might have been increased by the changes he made so that special attacks wouldn't one-shot people. Assuming I'm not just being paranoid about this, maybe it would be possible to take a look at what changed there and see if anything needs to be tweaked to get damage back in line?

Two things happened. 1. mitigations became multiplicative. 2. because of changes in how elemental ratings work, if things had stayed the same as before monster elemental skill attacks would've essentially doubled in power (toddlerguro does enough damage as it is). That's the gist of it anyways.

Do you really think I think of HV as an MMO? or are you a complete retard?

Why did you think that note is just for you? I'm not quoting any post of you, it's for general people who post and read my post. Or do you really think HV as MMO? Then you are a retard.

and i guess you're idea of a way to get credits would be kill about 5 mobs, wait an entire hour, then barely have regened completely.

This is hentai site, you can browse hentai while waiting for an hour, and for you know there are still so many ways to earn credits and I know you are not retarded enough to not knowing where is FAQ or Search button.

Why did you think that note is just for you? I'm not quoting any post of you, it's for general people who post and read my post. Or do you really think HV as MMO? Then you are a retard.

the placement of the note, is why i thought it was for me, and I don't think it's an MMO, i think it's primarily a stand-alone game that has amazing game mechanics.

This is hentai site, you can browse hentai while waiting for an hour, and for you know there are still so many ways to earn credits and I know you are not retarded enough to not knowing where is FAQ or Search button.

There are other ways, but the time it takes for them to take effect is a lot longer, and uploading a gallery, i'm not going to do unless i've checked if it already exists, then there's also the fact that my computer has no ports forwarded to it making it very hard to use the H@H server, and the torrents, i'm not very experienced at creating them.

and honestly, i like the game more than i like the hentai, i could play the game for many hours, while i would get bored of hentai or any porn at that after an hour or so. but when i do browse the hentai i like to browse lots of different galleries, which in turn theoretically would make more ad money, but, since hv has become so stupidly hard to do anything i don't really do that much anymore.

Question for Tenboro: why do you even have HV on the site?

Because the stupid hourly banner minigame with the minimalistic "skill tree" got more attention than most of the other things on the site. If you don't like it, why don't you just go to hell? Far as I can tell, your overall contributions would be kindly described as "minimal", so it's not like anyone would notice.

and honestly, i like the game more than i like the hentai, i could play the game for many hours, while i would get bored of hentai or any porn at that after an hour or so. but when i do browse the hentai i like to browse lots of different galleries, which in turn theoretically would make more ad money, but, since hv has become so stupidly hard to do anything i don't really do that much anymore.

1. What does ad money and browsing the galleries have to do with anything related to HV? 2. Simply browsing the galleries and not actually clicking on ads doesn't earn any ad money. 3. I don't really know what to say to your 'i get bored of porn' comment.

@Tenb: Are elixirs the lowest quality items on the special item tree?

@Tenb: Are elixirs the lowest quality items on the special item tree?

Yup.

Tenboro, you should really try it yourself and see what it's like if you haven't already. Put yourself in our shoes.

Hey, here's an idea. Why don't you try to grasp the level of battle data that's streaming directly from the system to me? While I spend more time developing than actually *playing*, I can hook into any battle and watch more or less in real-time, and easily generate reports on exactly how hard a time people are having. You, on the other hand, can't actually see outside of your own little box, except for what other people are saying, and believe me, many of the comments you're reading are highly exaggerated.

Which isn't saying that SOME people aren't making perfectly valid points, and I'm addressing those as I go, but it's not like I can fix and post stuff in a matter of minutes. Or I could, but then the game would spend more time broken than online.