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I've been going against common knowledge and pumping points into AGI and DEX in the hopes of avoiding being hit at all. It seems this might be paying off with this new update.

How would this help, with the update it should hurt you since evade derived stats are gone now....

How would this help, with the update it should hurt you since evade derived stats are gone now....

I think he meant the up and coming update (after 3.7), since Tenb said he'd do something to account for people dumping points into DEX and AGI.

Does this mean that godly mana draughts/potions are now as rare as mana elixirs used to be? What else is on the general "special" drop rate that you're talking about?

They shouldn't be, but the tiers were adjusted somewhat when the top tier was removed.

The "special" drop tree has the elixirs as well as the other rare consumable drops (like the Flower Vase).

Edit: And I'm not getting plenty of godlies.

I know 400 isn't a huge number when you consider how many items are dropped per day for everyone, but as personal statistics go, that's depressing.

Cakefest might actually not produce bonuses high enough to score godlies anymore. That wasn't actually intended, I'll probably tweak it downward slightly.

On the infusion items, I too haven't found much use for them as of yet. Of course I know an elemental rating not only increases damage giving but also damage received by that element. However, I'm not quite sure on how much. In other words, does a 50% fire rating reduces all fire damage by 50%, 25%, 10%, etc while increasing damage caused by that element to be increased by 50%?

It increases your rating by 50%, so how much reduction you get depends on your rating. As it is now, a 100% rating would make you immune to that damage type.

I've seen a few suggestions on infusions and I also saw a nice suggesting about skills where you could temporarily make your normal melee attack damage a certain element. Perhaps the infusions could do this; an infusion of fire not only increases your fire rating, but makes your sword strikes inflict fire damage.

I've seen worse ideas.

Meaning that the +5 auras are now +2.5 unless you have nothing at all from equipment. Considering how much is invested in an aura, it seems a li'l harsh to me.

That's not quite true, it only applied to the percentage stats. But considering that the effect already is fairly small, I've already decided to have aura bonuses apply the same as an active buff, after the equipment stats have been calculated.

I think he meant the up and coming update (after 3.7), since Tenb said he'd do something to account for people dumping points into DEX and AGI.

Well, it doesn't make much sense that having a high agility does nothing for your evade, does it? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

They shouldn't be, but the tiers were adjusted somewhat when the top tier was removed.

The "special" drop tree has the elixirs as well as the other rare consumable drops (like the Flower Vase).
Cakefest might actually not produce bonuses high enough to score godlies anymore. That wasn't actually intended, I'll probably tweak it downward slightly.

Thank you very much. I've been grinding all day, but my only godlies have been arena clear bonuses (yay for the godlies, boo for it being clear bonuses lol).

It increases your rating by 50%, so how much reduction you get depends on your rating. As it is now, a 100% rating would make you immune to that damage type.

You know, if you made soul element infusions that might actually make them usable for the rest of us, though admittedly only for certain types of battles (and I don't know if soul rating affects soul-based weapons, not that it matters, I don't have one (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)).

Well, in the cakefest I was doing earlier not only did I get godlies but I also got a mana and health elixir, and that's with only 2 Luck of the Draws...That was slightly before I made the post here.

This post has been edited by Dndestroy: Oct 6 2009, 10:39

Well, it doesn't make much sense that having a high agility does nothing for your evade, does it? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Look at me, my 200 agility grants me a special dance! However I cannot move aside when a peacock decides to peck me. But I can dance.

(Looking forward to a repurposed agi buff)

Well, in the cakefest I was doing earlier not only did I get godlies but I also got a mana and health elixir, and that's with only 2 Luck of the Draws...That was slightly before I made the post here.

I have 6 luck of the draw (not much better, we're talking single percentage points of quality bonus increase), but I definitely did not find a single godly mana draught, and I got far past round 50 each time I grinded (which is where the round quality bonus caps).

This post has been edited by DemonEyesBob: Oct 6 2009, 10:43

I only did up to round 64 once and got around 3-4 godlies, so it's not that it's impossible so much as very unlikely. That said I think I picked up another Token of Blood somewhere cause I'm at 5 now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) And I'm still wondering when I got that infusion of gaia ><

Now if only I was lucky with artifacts...that would make my day, but for now, I'm in montage cause I'm goin to bed.

Shiver me timbers I have 7 in luck of the draw, but still no godlies. :S

A few greaters though.

It increases your rating by 50%, so how much reduction you get depends on your rating. As it is now, a 100% rating would make you immune to that damage type.

So it is not multiplicative with matching mitigation? Pretty cool (but not for much long now, I guess...) Or just counts first?
Then again, as I see, you won't have any more than 29% rating from normal means (and that would mean you spent 10 ability points (22 if counting spells necessary to unlock the rating ability) and 6 aura points (or how much it would cost to have two level3 auras?) not to mention loads and loads of c just for one element) and even the 50% boost won't make rating go past 45. So no more than 43.5% more damage from spell and 43.5% less damage taken from that element. And if it goes multiplicative with mitigations from equip, even (much) less. Not hot, definitely.

Or did I miss some other means to increase the rating?

This post has been edited by hen_Z: Oct 6 2009, 12:33

I've got 10 luck of the draw and definitely feel like I'm getting less godlies then I was before.

The only elixir I've noticed I've been getting is spirit cause I usually don't have any since I sell them, haven't gotten any other special items yet though.

I've got 8 luck of the draw and from 26 arena challenges i got only 3 or 4 godlies.
Considering i had to spend about 25 godlies to beat them i will run out soon and be able to do only lower arenas from then on. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

It increases your rating by 50%, so how much reduction you get depends on your rating. As it is now, a 100% rating would make you immune to that damage type.

I tested about this. my fire rating is 31.

73 6 Global Warming hits you for 7309 fire damage.
73 4 Infusion of Flames procs the effect Infused Flames on yourself.
72 5 Global Warming crits you for 9854 fire damage.
62 2 Effect Infused Flames on yourself has expired.
61 5 Global Warming hits you for 8555 fire damage.
50 5 Global Warming hits you for 8456 fire damage.
36 4 Infusion of Flames procs the effect Infused Flames on yourself.
34 5 Global Warming hits you for 6583 fire damage.
21 7 Global Warming crits you for 10403 fire damage.
2 4 Global Warming hits you for 6212 fire damage.
0 2 Spawned Monster A: MID=16 (Manbearpig) LV=179 HP=27071 MP=233 SP=143 NA=50 Type=hostile
0 1 Initializing arena challenge #101 (Round 1 / 1) ...
0 0 Battle Start!

without Infusion of Flames (fire rating is 31)
Global Warming hits you for 6212 fire damage.
Global Warming crits you for 10403 fire damage.
Global Warming hits you for 6583 fire damage.
Global Warming crits you for 9854 fire damage.

with Infusion of Flames (fire rating is 46.5)
Global Warming hits you for 8456 fire damage.
Global Warming hits you for 8555 fire damage.
Global Warming hits you for 7309 fire damage.

Unless critical, it seems that damage with infusion is larger than damage without infusion for me. I understand the trial frequency is a too little, however would you mind checking whether reduction by rating is working normally?

This post has been edited by ponkan: Oct 6 2009, 16:07

Unless critical, it seems that damage with infusion is larger than damage without infusion for me. I understand the trial frequency is a too little, however would you mind checking whether reduction by rating is working normally?

Uhm. Yeah, the code to calculate the elemental factor is there, but it's not actually a part of the equation. Gonna fix that soon-ish. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Uhm. Yeah, the code to calculate the elemental factor is there, but it's not actually a part of the equation. Gonna fix that soon-ish. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

So... up to now... elemental rating hasn't actually affected our defense to elements?

So... up to now... elemental rating hasn't actually affected our defense to elements?

Err. Yes.

Well, not against skills/magic anyway. It's worked for normal attacks. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Here are the new difficulty

Cake = Balanced Fun x 0.5
Easy = Somewhat Tricky x 0.8
Normal = Gettin Harder x 1.0
Hard = Pretty Tough x 1.7
Heroic = Even Tougher x 2.3
Nightmare = Old School x3.0
Hell = Death x 3.7

Nintendo and Battletoads are removed


This is what it looks like for me

Here are the new difficulty

Cake = Balanced Fun x 0.5
Easy = Somewhat Tricky x 0.8
Normal = Gettin Harder x 1.0
Hard = Pretty Tough x 1.7
Heroic = Even Tougher x 2.3
Nightmare = Old School x3.0
Hell = Death x 3.7

Nintendo and Battletoads are removed
This is what it looks like for me

yaya we know its harder by now i think, that was like almost the whole point of this update. Just get used to it.

This post has been edited by Eutopia: Oct 6 2009, 17:33

Well, not against skills/magic anyway. It's worked for normal attacks. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) And until now no one realize about it? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) It's more clear that no one use infusions for battle. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Here are the new difficulty

Cake = Balanced Fun x 0.5
Easy = Somewhat Tricky x 0.8
Normal = Gettin Harder x 1.0
Hard = Pretty Tough x 1.7
Heroic = Even Tougher x 2.3
Nightmare = Old School x3.0
Hell = Death x 3.7

Nintendo and Battletoads are removed
This is what it looks like for me

But hard is normal* for me... I really don't see how its getting any harder with the exception that, "oh, I can't grind hundreds of rounds anymore without extra costs to me." If people are having such a hard time, it might not necessarily be the changes added, but the stat build or equipment build or for [insert location of afterlife] sake not the playing strategy that is so one sided that you can't play the way you used to.

* I usually play on hard

This post has been edited by Spectre: Oct 6 2009, 17:47