[X] My Assistant

i think i do not bad (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) 1H in only 1857 turn?
(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) Is that really PFDwD?
(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) How could you achieve that?

Looking at the EXP drop, he's probably not running PFUDOR. I think at Level 420, I was getting 1.3 billion EXP on PFUDOR, while he's achieving less than 100 million at 350.

Anyways.

2,285 turns 0:13:28 (2.828 t/s)

Saturday -10% Lightning mitigation day, with Infusion of Lightnings. Recently upgraded my Staff/Robe/Shoes some, and was able to reduce my best ever turn count ~100 turns and time by I think 1:17. DD4. Next big upgrade for me would be DD5.

More probably the tracker stopped halfway.



Sunday.

This post has been edited by qr12345: Apr 4 2021, 10:29

2,925 turns 0:22:26 (2.173 t/s) 2 horses

... as dual-wield today. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I haven't used DW in persistent since before isekai, so I'm out of practice with managing OC for OFC. I am sure I can do 28xx on Friday, but I wonder if it's possible to get 27xx even. I know I made some mistakes today, and I was still experimenting with how to best handle the 2 SG rounds with my current damage.

2,925 turns 0:22:26 (2.173 t/s) 2 horses

... as dual-wield today. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I haven't used DW in persistent since before isekai, so I'm out of practice with managing OC for OFC. I am sure I can do 28xx on Friday, but I wonder if it's possible to get 27xx even. I know I made some mistakes today, and I was still experimenting with how to best handle the 2 SG rounds with my current damage.

2,860 today. I made a couple mistakes again, but I played it well enough that it would've only saved me maybe 10-20 turns if I'd done it perfectly (even if actually pulling it off kept my t/s low again - 2.125, and this time I wasn't trying to eat a cup noodle before it went cold...).

I'll see how much I can get it down on Friday, but other than a bit more ADB through prof, I think that's about as far as I can take it. And that's awesome - really happy with that time.

2,925 turns 0:22:26 (2.173 t/s) 2 horses

... as dual-wield today. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I haven't used DW in persistent since before isekai, so I'm out of practice with managing OC for OFC. I am sure I can do 28xx on Friday, but I wonder if it's possible to get 27xx even. I know I made some mistakes today, and I was still experimenting with how to best handle the 2 SG rounds with my current damage.

2,860 today. I made a couple mistakes again, but I played it well enough that it would've only saved me maybe 10-20 turns if I'd done it perfectly (even if actually pulling it off kept my t/s low again - 2.125, and this time I wasn't trying to eat a cup noodle before it went cold...).

I'll see how much I can get it down on Friday, but other than a bit more ADB through prof, I think that's about as far as I can take it. And that's awesome - really happy with that time.

I think your results are frighteningly impressive!!! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Not even in a dream would I be able to do the same. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) My game techniques are terrible, and with no prospect of improvement. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) Maybe the day I have DD15 or 16 I can get close to that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

My best result in number of turns (Friday 12-03-2021):
(IMG:[imgur.com] https://imgur.com/HwD1mvy.jpg)

My best result in time (Monday 22-03-2021):
(IMG:[imgur.com] https://imgur.com/WFtffpY.jpg)

These tests were done before I acquired DD6. And even after that, I was unable to improve those numbers. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Do you use Haste and Shadow Veil? And Featherweight Shard? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

I think your results are frighteningly impressive!!! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Not even in a dream would I be able to do the same. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) My game techniques are terrible, and with no prospect of improvement. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) Maybe the day I have DD15 or 16 I can get close to that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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Do you use Haste and Shadow Veil? And Featherweight Shard? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

I do use them, yeah, there's no reason not to. And yeah, I featherweight my armors as well, but I don't think it would make any big difference - you can see from your times that you're only curing once or twice, so no real turn savings there. I note that you use a lot more imperils than me, and you don't use OFC at all - that could be a big jump for you. (I also don't use any draughts or gems - just occasional mana elixirs, for dickwaving purposes, which shaves off about 25-30 turns. Could probably get similar results with just potions.)

DW has a bunch of variables to leverage depending on the situation (including how much damage you can do) - imperil, spirit stance, frenzied blows, OFC. Working out the best way to manage each type of round is the best way to approach it.

The early rounds without schoolgirls are 3 monsters, so I just imperil once, frenzied blows if it's ready at the start, and start attacking otherwise. Sometimes OC builds up beyond what's required for frenzied blows, so in those cases, I'll spirit stance FBs instead of using imperil, and leave stance up instead of disabling it, and continue as before.

In the 1-SG rounds, I try to imperil only the SG. If it's Konata, lower her a bit, hit the highest HP monsters to build OC if necessary, then frenzied blows without spirit stance. If it's one of the other three, I'll focus on them and spirit stance FBs.

In 2 SG rounds, I start using OFC. I can fit one in every third round here. I'll imperil SGs and spirit stance for OFC. In the first round after OFC, I'll imperil SGs, try to spread damage on them, and spirit FBs. On the second round, imperil all, mostly normal attack, spread on the SGs first and use a non-spirit FBs if OC is about to cap, but try to have enough OC to open with OFC on the next round.

In 3 SG rounds, it's similar to the above, except I can now use OFC every other round as long as I don't use FBs too aggressively. That does mean slowing myself down slightly and using non-spirit FBs. If I go into the next round without OFC ready, it's not a problem - I'll just try to spread a few hits on the SGs first.

Here's the thing - those tactics only work for me because I have 1) DD9, 2) 100-forged full savage slaughters, and 3) Manehattan Project. The problem with DW - as I was taught by lololo - is that if you go too fast or too slow, you'll throw off your OFC timing, and actually go slower because you have to either waste OFC overkill, or delay it a round and use OC on something less efficient. You'll have to work out exactly how much time you've got and how many spirit FBs you can do etc between OFCs on the late rounds to get the most out of it. Funnily enough, lololo is DD5, and he managed a 3106 turn clear - prior to the Monday clear, my best was 3105, despite 4 DD levels of difference. I only just got Manehattan and finished forging, but I'd like to think I played it much better now too, hence the jump.

I'd like to write a guide on DW in future, maybe after isekai. I hope I'm qualified now - I'm rank 7 in tower currently at floor 84 using DW the whole way, and I can still go further.

I'll post my stats after the Friday clear. I think I can do 27xx.

This post has been edited by Nezu: Apr 21 2021, 05:49

lv.399 DW, Club+Rapier(low forged), shades(no forged), no imp, Friday, 5609t.
Worse even than my first DWD clear. Personal best DW record 4791t at lv.353, with even some Mags gear, but now I think I can't do below 5kt again unless I soulbund and high forge my gears or change my gameplay style.



lv.400 Fire, Redwood mid forged, IW2(P1S1), 3+2 trash cloth, 14k Magic Score, 0.74 ProfF, Monday, 3844t
lv.400 Fire, almost same stat as above except IW9(P5S3) , Wednesday, 3606t

Got 29.1% spell resisted and 19.6% depr resisted for P1 Redwood, 20.4%/13.6% for P5 Redwood. P5 Willow in Isekai is 13.3%/9.1%

Close to my estimate, but still too slow for a Mage. Will do it seriously after I finsh my gear

This post has been edited by what_is_name: Apr 22 2021, 14:18

2,713 turns today (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I made enough mistakes that 26xx is probably possible next week. But maybe some of my mistakes were actually improvements - who knows if I'll get that magic again. Oh, I also realised the last two runs I posted about... I had under 200% accuracy. I forgot I was meant to use a voidseeker shard with this set, cause I hadn't forged any accuracy before now.

2,194 attack, 282 imperils, 108 frenzied blows, 81 spirit activations, 26 OFCs, 10 regens, 6 mana elixirs, 3 full-cures, 3 heartseekers

Anyway here's the equipment:

Peerless Ethereal Club of Slaughter
Peerless Ethereal Rapier of Balance
Legendary Savage Power Helmet of Slaughter
Legendary Savage Power Armor of Slaughter
Legendary Savage Power Gauntlets of Slaughter
Legendary Savage Power Leggings of Slaughter
Legendary Savage Power Boots of Slaughter

The relevant parts of the stat sheet:

16947 attack base damage
200.7 % hit chance
64.5 % crit chance / +89 % damage
4.8 % attack speed bonus

78.2 % physical mitigation
76.6 % magical mitigation
27.3 % evade chance
77.4 % parry chance
23.6 % resist chance

In future I'd like to test the difference between weapon IWs. I suspect it's close to nothing as long as it's some combo of overpower, butcher and fatality.

This post has been edited by Nezu: Apr 23 2021, 04:36

I decided to try melee on persistent like everyone else. I did 1h power with axe, holy infusion, and 2 feathers. Feathers not needed honestly and my fighting choices could have been more refined but oh well, it is what it is and these are the results. I expected better due to isekai then I remembered the health reduction for sg in isekai.


This post has been edited by SPoison: Apr 23 2021, 14:47

2,167 turns 0:15:11 (2.379 t/s) 3 horses Electromage.

all of yuo are super powerfull i feel so newbie

Lv.391
Enigma Energizer
Eminent Elementalist
Innate Arcana IV
Dæmon Duality I

Equip:
Legendary Tempestuous Willow Staff of Destruction (Featherweight Charm)
Legendary Onyx Phase Cap of Freyr
Legendary Ruby Phase Robe of Freyr
Legendary Radiant Phase Gloves of Freyr
Legendary Radiant Phase Pants of Freyr
Legendary Frugal Cotton Shoes of the Elementalist

Used: Health Draught: 24, Mana Draught: 24, Regen: 10, Protection: 6, Arcane Focus: 4, Imperil: 337, Storms of Njord: 395, Downburst: 715, Gale: 979,
Mana Potion: 26, Cure: 28, Spirit Gem: 8, Mana Gem: 3, Mystic Gem: 4, Health Gem: 3, Health Potion: 2, Spirit Draught: 4, MagNet: 2

Result:


Not bad, at Lv.345 It take me ~3700 turns with magnificent gears and without EE/DD1/Forge

all of yuo are super powerfull i feel so newbie

Come on, level up asap and become a mage after lv.310. you see, my newbie mage with junk equipments still makes it faster than Nezu's peerless melee. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Mage is the ANSWER. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

This post has been edited by sharmy: Apr 24 2021, 04:50

you see, my newbie mage with junk equipments still makes it faster than Nezu's peerless melee. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Mage is the ANSWER. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

At your level he would be faster than you though (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

(IMG:[pic.skk.moe] https://pic.skk.moe/file/sukkaw/hv/dwd/20210314.png)

Add a Radiant and a Charged to my set but nothing has been improved. Sad.

(IMG:[pic.skk.moe] https://pic.skk.moe/file/sukkaw/hv/dwd/20210424.png)

Another Lightning day, 2284 turns. Shaft by 70 turns compares to more than a month ago.

The set I am using now can be seen in my sig.

At your level he would be faster than you though (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I agree (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Come on, level up asap and become a mage after lv.310. you see, my newbie mage with junk equipments still makes it faster than Nezu's peerless melee. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Mage is the ANSWER. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Sure, if you have deep pockets (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Nezu could use pretty average Power armors @50-100k each, a reasonable 200k shield and an even-less-reasonable 100k weapon, all with minimal forging (Lets say 13) and sub-optimal IW ... and still clear it easily and I believe only marginally slower (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

While cheap mages DIE each day (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Sure, if you have deep pockets (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Nezu could use pretty average Power armors @50-100k each, a reasonable 200k shield and an even-less-reasonable 100k weapon, all with minimal forging (Lets say 13) and sub-optimal IW ... and still clear it easily and I believe only marginally slower (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

While cheap mages DIE each day (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

it's actually fun to try to master other styles. Also, you try to reach tower floor 64 as a mage LOL

It's not the peerless gear of Nezu, it's mainly that he understands how to optimize the play style with spirit stance, OFC and the skills

Sure, if you have deep pockets (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Nezu could use pretty average Power armors @50-100k each, a reasonable 200k shield and an even-less-reasonable 100k weapon, all with minimal forging (Lets say 13) and sub-optimal IW ... and still clear it easily and I believe only marginally slower (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

While cheap mages DIE each day (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

If I were using a cheap 1H build, it'd probably be around 3500 (by virtue of DD9 and Manehattan, so it only cost me a jillion credits!!!) or higher.

The main reason I was pushing melee was because... that was a dual-wield clear. I've been working very hard to test the limits of dual-wielding, in both persistent and isekai. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Come on, level up asap and become a mage after lv.310. you see, my newbie mage with junk equipments still makes it faster than Nezu's peerless melee. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Mage is the ANSWER. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Yeah, but here's the thing - I could do DWD in less than 1300 turns with my holy set, but I actually have a lot more fun doing it as dual-wield. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

The main reason I was pushing melee was because... that was a dual-wield clear. I've been working very hard to test the limits of dual-wielding, in both persistent and isekai. :P

Thanks for posting your results and examinations. Some of the points you make may be quite DW-specific, but are also helpful to consider for attack efficiency in Niten as well. In that case, managing OC for Skyward Sword v. Spirit Stance v. OFC is as relevant for efficiency as the points you analyze above, imperil use and the attack style varies in similar ways whether it's against just a monster mob v. 1 SG v. 2 SG v 3 SG, etc etc. Not the more popular style of play, but requires a bit more strategic planning to improve with beyond throwing money at armor upgrades.