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So, for those curious.
This is 4 slaughter armors (decent upgrades, decent stats)
One savage protection.
Fully forged 96% ADB slaughter rapier
High forge (full forge on block) SDE shield.

With holy infusion on a friday (and holy imperil)
With all elemental mitigation enchants even fucking aether.
DD3

Char stats:


DwD Clear stats:



That's 3,430 turns (with minor errors of random health draught and like a cold spell in there and some such)

3,430 turns for what was an investment of about 50? Ish million credits total. For forging mats, for buying equips, for IW service on some, for amnesias/ED on others.


Compared with my early elemental mage:
Fully forged and IW'd redwood destruction staff (mid-range stats, 66% MDB, 60% EDB, 25% prof)
Only ONE special bonus armor (mystic cap). All other elemental prefixes.
NO forge on armors (4 phase+1prof cotton)
LOW proficiencies overall (if I'm not mistaken the proficiency factor was below 0,5)

For a total investment of ~25-30mil (most of my crap phase was self drop mag so like 25mil of that is just the staff)

2,976 turns.
That's with infusions, but no elemental enchants, not even aether.
AND that was with DD1






Forgive the rant below

Who are you to decide what is best for other players?

A person with eyes and a functional brain?
Honestly, I am not "trying to decide what is best for other players". I am simply stating facts about what would increase your clear speed.


See, I'm getting a bit tired of your random posts about "no one has tried really investing into melee and keep saying mage is best".

Like, if you're the only one somehow managing to get better clears with a shortsword than with a rapier then, my friend, you are the one doing smth wrong.

Or is it just that somehow the entire HV playerbase hasn't figured out that shortswords are OP and you should go dual wield shade shortsword axe or something, cause mage is terrible and PA is overrated!

So, for those curious.
This is 4 slaughter armors (decent upgrades, decent stats)
One savage protection.
Fully forged 96% ADB slaughter rapier
High forge (full forge on block) SDE shield.

With holy infusion on a friday (and holy imperil)
With all elemental mitigation enchants even fucking aether.
DD3

That's 3,430 turns (with minor errors of random health draught and like a cold spell in there and some such)

3,430 turns for what was an investment of about 50? Ish million credits total. For forging mats, for buying equips, for IW service on some, for amnesias/ED on others.

Wow, you are so much stronger than me
oh you have enchantments, didn't see it... but still (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Have you walked through PFFEST with suits like this?

oh you have enchantments, didn't see it... but still (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Have you walked through PFFEST with suits like this?

high adb+imperil+VS baby (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (also DD3 doesn't hurt)

Honestly, I've said it once before but I feel like anyone who goes through PFFEST with melee is just a masochist (not including Uncle, we all love Uncle, praise the Uncle).

I'm waiting till my elemental mage is good enough for PFFEST.
I can do IWBTHFEST up to like ~650-700 till I hit a wall and need to heal way too much (and I flee after I have to use a last elixir, I could probably finish it with enough patience and paying more attention to my hp and consumables (and honestly, just not spamming imperil when I'm low hp lol).
But I have enough stuff to do with arenas already so I'm not in any rush to FEST atm (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I can do PF IW 100 on peerless with my 1h with very little healing though, so I don't imagine PFFEST would be any difficulty (apart from the massive investment of time of course (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) )

Ahhh, so 4500 turn is the first wall for 1H/Heavy. I still have a thousand turn to shave, I just need better equipments. Can't be done when in auction I have to compete with many-gold older player. *chuckle*
Nice set. Since which level did you start collecting them?

like 300 I think? I used leg shade/leather set until ~320 lvl iirc, it was much cheaper to forge, and prices for power seem to have gone up even more.

You say that but, how often do you even need to heal?
When I stopped chugging draughts I realized I don't need them.
Not the health one, at least.
And I end up using maybe 1-2 more cures and like ~10 mana pots.

I'm not using Health Draughts. I'm using Mana and Spirit (total: 42). That's 42 turns. Let's say I replace it with potions. I reduce that number by half (more like third)... so just 20 turns less. But draughts are cheaper ;_;
I don't think I'll see much improvement with my stats, but I'll test it out to collect data.

But, yes, in general it's a good advice, if you no longer need draughts to finish a battle.

And giving advice based on provided stats is what, forbidden? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Hey, I'm just trying to help out (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
You go through a lot of turns for DwD and I can see what's the issue, just tryin to be helpful.

No, please don't be offended. I've completely understood what you meant.
I know I'm lacking but that's the point. I'm just showing data (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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With holy infusion on a friday (and holy imperil)
With all elemental mitigation enchants even fucking aether.
DD3

That's 3,430 turns (with minor errors of random health draught and like a cold spell in there and some such)

3,430 turns for what was an investment of about 50? Ish million credits total. For forging mats, for buying equips, for IW service on some, for amnesias/ED on others.

Thank you.
With that conditions and DD1 I complete DwD at ~4000 turns. With DD3 I think it should be around 3850 or lower. And with your forging...
But DwD is special, it does not show full power of Slaughter.

May you please provide turns/time for arena The Trio and the Tree (or similar non-SG arena)?

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Funny, your stats are incredibly close to mine even though equipment is different. It's not just the suffixes that matter, the forge is also, more base stat = more return for the same level of forge. I don't have DD so I'm supposed to be 10% slower I guess, thought it seems more parry is better than 300 more attack. I only have dmg lvl 10 on rapier though, but you have less forge overall.
What's the script that shows forging on equipment page btw?

Your rapier has higher return per 1 forge (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) And I have higher critical chance.
In SG arenas magic damage is higher, so Protection may be not really useful to decrease time.
DD1 will shave around 5% of turns. Yeah, it'll be around my number of turns/time or lower.

But we should compare your stats to mine at similar levels.
Here is level 401 data.
At your level (404) on Holy day I had 4187 turns ( 24:26 min ). Level 404 stats:


So, based on your screenshot difference at level 404 in attack damage is 893 (you have ~12% more attack damage)...

Modded HV Utils... Too lazy to put a feature request to sssss2 -__-;


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Wow, you are so much stronger than me
oh you have enchantments, didn't see it... but still (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Have you walked through PFFEST with suits like this?

I can clear it with my shown equipment at ~22k turns / ~2h 10 min, but it's just... what KamuiSeph said.
I need more forging, but my monster don't bring the right Bindings ;_;

May you please provide turns/time for arena The Trio and the Tree (or similar non-SG arena)?

Sure.
DD3
Holy infusion+holy imperil
Friday
Suffused aether

Sure.
DD3
Holy infusion+holy imperil
Friday
Suffused aether

Thank you.

With 3 t/s that's ~20 minutes (DwD) and ~8 minutes (Trio).
So, all that forging and Hath should make me faster by 20%...
Well, that's ... * Sad melee face *

Thank you.

With 3 t/s that's ~20 minutes (DwD) and ~8 minutes (Trio).
So, all that forging and Hath should make me faster by 20%...
Well, that's ... * Sad melee face *

Yeah, I can't recommend swapping to mage enough.
Though it is def good to have a strong melee on standby.
I can go through whatever I have to on melee with no issues. It's just a matter of how much time/attention I want to spend on HV.

If I'm IWing my own stuff then I'd rather just no-brain-no-imperil with melee.
But arenas? Shit it was a struggle to go through DwD and trio. So fucking slow compared to mage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

I'm waiting till my elemental mage is good enough for PFFEST.
I can do IWBTHFEST up to like ~650-700 till I hit a wall and need to heal way too much (and I flee after I have to use a last elixir, I could probably finish it with enough patience and paying more attention to my hp and consumables (and honestly, just not spamming imperil when I'm low hp lol).
But I have enough stuff to do with arenas already so I'm not in any rush to FEST atm (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

You can grab a waki and buckler for fairly easy PFEST as 1h mage. Non-elemental day, no infusions, low forging, and THREE magnificant pieces:

Thank you.

With 3 t/s that's ~20 minutes (DwD) and ~8 minutes (Trio).
So, all that forging and Hath should make me faster by 20%...
Well, that's ... * Sad melee face *

You probably don't need that much forging

you already ran faster than me :3

4,462 turn 0:24:15 (3.067 t/s)

It is not extremely slow imo

To me as long as it is within 30min it's all gucci (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)





My mage is about 4 times slower and much more costly per run (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by mouisaac: Apr 5 2019, 17:41

You can grab a waki and buckler for fairly easy PFEST as 1h mage. Non-elemental day, no infusions, low forging, and THREE magnificant pieces:

Mmmm I might try that actually.
What's your armor like?

This post has been edited by KamuiSeph: Apr 5 2019, 18:03

Mmmm I might try that actually.
What's your armor like?

Same as in my sig, except with Magnificent Frugal Cotton Shoes of The Elementalist instead of radiant Freyr shoes.

You can grab a waki and buckler for fairly easy PFEST as 1h mage. Non-elemental day, no infusions, low forging, and THREE magnificant pieces:

Intriguing. So your MDB come strictly from base stat and radiant phases? How does it compare with staff wind mage?

Intriguing. So your MDB come strictly from base stat and radiant phases? How does it compare with staff wind mage?

much much easier - as you have block from a shield. Much much slower as well. It works. But not as good as 1h heavy or full mage

much much easier - as you have block from a shield. Much much slower as well. It works. But not as good as 1h heavy or full mage

Is it really worse than 1h heavy? I would think it would be quite a bit faster than melee for PFEST.

Is it really worse than 1h heavy? I would think it would be quite a bit faster than melee for PFEST.

looking at your clear time, its not faster

looking at your clear time, its not faster

That's partly due to internet T.T 1h mage should be faster t/s compared to mage since there is less risk. I think you'll agree that 1.5 t/s is slow even for mage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

That's partly due to internet T.T 1h mage should be faster t/s compared to mage since there is less risk. I think you'll agree that 1.5 t/s is slow even for mage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

How many casts are needed to kill monsters as 1H mage?
I can quite imagine the overall power output of a 1H mage being around 4 times (very wild guess) less powerful than a staff mage. But I may be wrong.

How many casts are needed to kill monsters as 1H mage?
I can quite imagine the overall power output of a 1H mage being around 4 times (very wild guess) less powerful than a staff mage. But I may be wrong.

4 I think is about right from a firepower perspective - 1/2 the MBD, a bit higher than 1/2 EBD, but less crit chance -> around 1/4 the firepower.

Casts really depends on the imperil rounds - with willow staff it's usually 3-4 (maybe 5 if really unlucky) to imperil 9 monsters, with 1h mage it's not unusual to go more than 6 rounds (though usually 4-6 is enough), then to kill after imperil it takes maybe a bit more than twice the number of turns (since regular mage is often a bit overkill in terms of damage). So overall slightly more than double the turns? Mine took 12k turns, and I'm guessing imperil wind mage usually would take around 6k turns (maybe a bit more from cures and items)?

Edit: actually, from EBD perspective the difference is a lot less than half, since the actual factor is (1+EBD), so for me it's (100+290)% vs (100+220)%, or around 22% less damage due to EBD difference. The impact from lower crit chance is still there, but probably the difference in pure firepower is closer to 1/3 rather than 1/4.

I also ignored the possibility of brute-forcing non-imperiled monsters using mage, which is not an option for 1h mage.

This post has been edited by magiclamp: Apr 7 2019, 11:21

looking at your clear time, its not faster

it is faster (not mine)

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I've seen people can clear it within 10k turns so...