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Another thing you can consider is, it seems you have a good source of income to be able to max forge rapier around your level. If you can gouge up money for mage and if you are willing to make the transition, play whatever works for you with that rapier for now.

It might not be as good to play 1H with that rapier compared to playing with but5fat4 rapier, but it's still max forged and I'd say it's better than forge 10 but5fat4 rapier. Even if club+rapier of balance is the way to go for DW, you can still just play that rapier on main hand and waki of balance on offhand, maybe not as good, but if it's good enough for you, who cares? In the meantime you can buy decent mage equips and make the transition.

My only regret with mage is why I hadn't switched sooner lol. So I'd say at least in terms of performance, it's the way to go if you can pay for it. But then again if you'd enjoy the style is another story so hopefully you can reach a satisfactory conclusion. Good luck!

in my imagery (and arguably realistically) using rapier with that set is not optimum

If you reforge and work on getting but+fat even overpower (so long as there's no swift strike), it's a pretty decent rapier for 1H imho.

You really don't need much to have 1H/heavy work.
Full mag armors (don't even need slaughter pieces) with a decent shield and that rapier (minus swift strike) will work wonders.

Honestly I would go as far to say no need to reforge that one either. Swift is bad if you have very high block and parry chance, but for beginners eh I don't think it's TERRIBLE. Besides I doubt he can handle the IW without that rapier and he has to use shitloads of amnesia shards since he probably won't have Dark Descent, I don't think it's really worth it.

If you want to play 1H just grab a decent shield and forge the fuck out its block chance and get some power armors on and you should be fine.

I hope he would give some advice.

I am a bit reluctant to play 1H because the most optimum 1H play here is rapier with shield and heavy armor, but in my imagery (and arguably realistically) using rapier with that set is not optimum, while using rapier and a parrying weapon on OH and focusing on evade is (realistically) optimum. So yeah I guess we can say that it simply doesn't suit my taste (imagery).

you can't have it all in just one set

if you want to be fast on DwD you need an ethereal axe or a club as main hand and a rapier as off hand.

For arenas you could use a rapier of slaughter and a waki (nimble if you want to try fests or IW), parry lv.50 on both

If you don't want to spend money on many weapons then just use your rapier and a good waki of the nimble =)

And, yeah, I play these styles because they look cool in my head (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Another thing you can consider is, it seems you have a good source of income to be able to max forge rapier around your level. If you can gouge up money for mage and if you are willing to make the transition, play whatever works for you with that rapier for now.

In the meantime you can buy decent mage equips and make the transition.

Nah, this is just a one time stroke of luck I guess, no way in hell I have the income to do 10m+ forge at this level, can't even play fest yet. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Is mage a must for high level? I think I'm gonna try mage later but I don't have the heart to buy the gears to be a good enough mage.

If you reforge and work on getting but+fat even overpower (so long as there's no swift strike), it's a pretty decent rapier for 1H imho.

You really don't need much to have 1H/heavy work.
Full mag armors (don't even need slaughter pieces) with a decent shield and that rapier (minus swift strike) will work wonders.

No, what I mean is that you probably won't find any evidence that a rapier used together with shield and heavy armor in real life, so the optimum 1H play here is way too far off reality to suit my taste.

you can't have it all in just one set

if you want to be fast on DwD you need an ethereal axe or a club as main hand and a rapier as off hand.

For arenas you could use a rapier of slaughter and a waki (nimble if you want to try fests or IW), parry lv.50 on both

If you don't want to spend money on many weapons then just use your rapier and a good waki of the nimble =)

And, yeah, I play these styles because they look cool in my head (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I take that axe/club is slaughter and rapier balance? Gotta go find them slaughter then, I already have rapier balance. But is waki nimble better than waki balance as off hand if I prefer to use rapier slaughter as main hand?
Ah kindred spirit. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

No, what I mean is that you probably won't find any evidence that a rapier used together with shield and heavy armor in real life, so the optimum 1H play here is way too far off reality to suit my taste.

Oh, for sure (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Just imagine a dude in full heavy armor with a large shield.... Taking out a tiny toothpick-ass rapier.
Get the fuck outta here (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Oh, for sure (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Just imagine a dude in full heavy armor with a large shield.... Taking out a tiny toothpick-ass rapier.
Get the fuck outta here (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Lol, now that I think about it that's a mix of duel gear and battle gear but not feasible in either duel or battle. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I take that axe/club is slaughter and rapier balance? Gotta go find them slaughter then, I already have rapier balance.

Look, if I were you I would just buy a club (ethereal or hallowed/demonic, doesn't matter since it's only for dwd, where you don't need high evade) and forge it to 25, then as off hand I'd use that rapier of slaughter

But is waki nimble better than waki balance as off hand if I prefer to use rapier slaughter as main hand?

Balance could be better for normal arenas, but not for IW of fest. Also, make sure they have high parry chance

lol but then again I find club and rapier equally unfeasible, and ppl using rapier probably didn't know there was such a thing as Wakizashi and vice versa XD.

Anyways, since we are deviating too much here's something from today - I'm getting a hang of it I guess! Just hope I have it better on normal arenas.... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif).

Look, if I were you I would just buy a club (ethereal or hallowed/demonic, doesn't matter since it's only for dwd, where you don't need high evade) and forge it to 25, then as off hand I'd use that rapier of slaughter
Balance could be better for normal arenas, but not for IW of fest. Also, make sure they have high parry chance

Hmm so club is only to play dwd faster, not suitable for nomal arenas let alone IW/fest?
Hoho so GF is such a nightmare that I have to prioritize def than atk, welp not like I'm gonna challenge it anytime soon anyway, can take my time to wait for a good waki nimble in auction.

lol but then again I find club and rapier equally unfeasible, and ppl using rapier probably didn't know there was such a thing as Wakizashi and vice versa XD.

Well yeah, in real life duel (because we're talking about rapier) you really only need 1 weapon that is rapier, maybe a parrying weapon on off hand depending on the rule, so using a club on MH and rapier on OH is absurd. Even more so if we consider a rapier's reach is way more than a club's, only a madman would strike with club first then do an off hand strike with the rapier.

Heck, even the act of using both weapon to attack is quite unfeasible, but with wiki's optimum DW play (rapier as main attack weapon and waki more intended to be a parrying weapon) I think it's feasible, though barely.

Hmm so club is only to play dwd faster, not suitable for nomal arenas let alone IW/fest?

you can try on arenas (it will depend on how good your stats are), but forget about the rest, you'll need a lot more parry for that...

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you can try on arenas (it will depend on how good your stats are), but forget about the rest, you'll need a lot more parry for that...

okay, will do after I get my hands on one.
By the way how high should I have on evade at my level? Just curious.

Oh yeah look at those turns

Oh yeah look at those turns

I thought 1H prefer spirit stance rather than OFC.

By the way how high should I have on evade at my level? Just curious.

55~60%, I guess

I thought 1H prefer spirit stance rather than OFC.

In later rounds my risk of dying is too high if I don't wipe about some of the mobs. Normally I'd vital strike more if I were trying to cut my turns down by the max actually, but I was watching an hour-long TV program so I OFC'ing my way through the back-end was the laziest route

55~60%, I guess

Crap, only at 50.4% right now. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
Just what do I have to do to ramp up those evade. -,-

In later rounds my risk of dying is too high if I don't wipe about some of the mobs. Normally I'd vital strike more if I were trying to cut my turns down by the max actually, but I was watching an hour-long TV program so I OFC'ing my way through the back-end was the laziest route

True, as long as PL monters wiped out it's a safe round, just need to slowly kill SG with normal hits (if planning to OFC again next round).

you can try on arenas (it will depend on how good your stats are), but forget about the rest, you'll need a lot more parry for that...

FWIW, I have no issues with PF IW100s using club/rapier.

Crap, only at 50.4% right now. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
Just what do I have to do to ramp up those evade. -,-

At least forge 5 all your gear, keep your agi up reasonably, but most importantly - keeping your burden as low as possible. I didn't hit 60 til I was able to get both weapons ethereal, and I only have one shadowdancer piece - 2 fleet, 2 negation (not even close to optimal, btw, just not many good shadowdancer pieces available to replace them (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) )

At least forge 5 all your gear, keep your agi up reasonably, but most importantly - keeping your burden as low as possible. I didn't hit 60 til I was able to get both weapons ethereal, and I only have one shadowdancer piece - 2 fleet, 2 negation (not even close to optimal, btw, just not many good shadowdancer pieces available to replace them (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) )

Ah I haven't forge my armors at all, I'm a bit reluctant because shade fragment is not exactly cheap, how many shade fragment do I need to upgrade 1 armor piece let's say breastplate to forge 5?
I already have 0 burden by the way.

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Ah I haven't forge my armors at all, I'm a bit reluctant because shade fragment is not exactly cheap, how many shade fragment do I need to upgrade 1 armor piece let's say breastplate to forge 5?
I already have 0 burden by the way.

Good news: when you level a stat with a special component (like phazons & shade frags) all other stats on that piece can catch up to that level without using one - so, upgrading everything to forge 5 will only cost 5 shade frags. About 30-40k (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) It's the cheapest of the bunch, at least.

Forge bonuses work on a logarithmic curve, so those first 5 levels are really important - by level 10, you've already got 50% of the bonuses you'd get from level 100.

Edit: just to clarify for any later readers, 5 would be 50% of the bonuses for most stats since they're only going to 50 - it's only ADB/MDB where it's 10/100

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