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Level 370, Friday, DD5

3,981 turns 0:31:46 (2.089 t/s)

Level 372, Monday

4,137 turns 0:30:26 (2.266 t/s)

I beat my previous fastest time by a wide margin thanks to my internet being randomly much faster today, and it wasn't even on void day this time. Still not using infusions (or imperil) which only got me a 3% reduction in turns when I tested earlier. I played normally using Vital Strike, except for beating down Konata when in SG groups.

Off-hand weapon has increased parry chance. Don't use club in it.
Use Rapier of Balance (100% offhand chance) / Nimble (higher parry, but lower offhand chance). Both will give you Penetrated Armour.

Also, have you tried using weapon infusions to increase your damage?..

Ah I do have this https://hentaiverse.org/equip/182957432/354c080652, but it's level is still way too far even just to soulfuse, and I'm prioritizing to soulfuse my waki balance right now and my armors after that, I guess I'll try club + rapier balance combo at end game later.

Not yet, because I think I want to minimize my equipment consumables (that's why I painfully bought ethereals rather than demonic/hallowed). Thank you for the advice. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Also worth noting that you only gain 80% of your offhand's damage, and rapiers have significantly less than clubs. Balance also has crit chance besides just the accuracy bonus, which makes it more attractive than the purely defensive nimble option (though it's still good if you really need the parry).

B-but I've forged 100 my rapier slaughter (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) yeah I focused my waki balance forged on crit chance and parry chance, and maybe agi too later.

If you've forged 100 your rapier, you should be playing 1H Heavy, not DW lol.

If you've forged 100 your rapier, you should be playing 1H Heavy, not DW lol.

Yeah because I saw many people forged 100 their rapier but now that I think about it maybe all of them play 1H. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
But wiki says that the most offensive DW style is by using rapier slaughter as MH and waki balance as OH, so I thought it's natural to forge the rapier slaughter adb as soon as I find a good one (I can always salvage it to get most of the mats if I ever get my hands on a better rapier slaughter).

You should play what your heart tells you to, but that max forged rapier is too much to just let go lol. If it's not soulbound maybe try to sell it and use that to get a new set for your DW? Give us a equipment link so we can tell you whether you should go 1H or you should DEFINITELY go 1H (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

DW: Rapier in your main hand for damage and Wakizashi in your offhand for the high parry chance. Preferably with "of Slaughter" suffix for main hand weapon and "of Nimble" suffix for offhand weapon. Other viable combinations include:

Club+Rapier

Club of Slaughter + Rapier of Balance - Good offensive combination but lacks defense.

Rapier+Wakizashi

Rapier of Slaughter + Wakizashi of Nimble / of Swiftness - Plays closer to 1H (less healing used). High Parry due to DW's Parry bonus. Good for Grindfest.

Rapier of Slaughter + Wakizashi of Balance - The most offensive DW combo.

Rapier of Nimble + Wakizashi of Nimble - The most defensive DW combo. Less damage due to low ADB.

So it does say, most offensive DW combo, although idk why since club+rapier obviously would have much higher adb? I'm no expert for DW but yea that seems somewhat misleading. I think new players should come straight to Ask the Experts instead of consulting HV Advice/Advice Advanced since some of them are outdated and misleading (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

This post has been edited by Saioux: Mar 12 2019, 02:34

You should play what your heart tells you to, but that max forged rapier is too much to just let go lol. If it's not soulbound maybe try to sell it and use that to get a new set for your DW? Give us a equipment link so we can tell you whether you should go 1H or you should DEFINITELY go 1H (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Aaaaand I've soulfused it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
I think this one more suited to DW than 1H as it is ethereal, not really great stats but luckily got holy strike. https://hentaiverse.org/equip/182580726/2d29bf2c9a

Idk how it rolls for DW, but if you want to play 1H you probably have to scrap that potency since you want butcher and fatality and swift strike is actually something you want to avoid. In that case what you can do is just upgrade it to IW9 and use infusions instead. Ethereal rapiers aren't bad for 1H - the argument is they are just overestimated.

lololo16 is the DW expert around here so I'd wait for his advice if I were you, but if you can get that rapier reforged, remember 1H is also viable (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Idk how it rolls for DW, but if you want to play 1H you probably have to scrap that potency since you want butcher and fatality and swift strike is actually something you want to avoid. In that case what you can do is just upgrade it to IW9 and use infusions instead. Ethereal rapiers aren't bad for 1H - the argument is they are just overestimated.

lololo16 is the DW expert around here so I'd wait for his advice if I were you, but if you can get that rapier reforged, remember 1H is also viable (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Yeah I intentionally did that potency because I think swift strike benefit DW more than fatality (mostly in term of survivability and my armors are still crap).

I hope he would give some advice.

I am a bit reluctant to play 1H because the most optimum 1H play here is rapier with shield and heavy armor, but in my imagery (and arguably realistically) using rapier with that set is not optimum, while using rapier and a parrying weapon on OH and focusing on evade is (realistically) optimum. So yeah I guess we can say that it simply doesn't suit my taste (imagery).

Another thing you can consider is, it seems you have a good source of income to be able to max forge rapier around your level. If you can gouge up money for mage and if you are willing to make the transition, play whatever works for you with that rapier for now.

It might not be as good to play 1H with that rapier compared to playing with but5fat4 rapier, but it's still max forged and I'd say it's better than forge 10 but5fat4 rapier. Even if club+rapier of balance is the way to go for DW, you can still just play that rapier on main hand and waki of balance on offhand, maybe not as good, but if it's good enough for you, who cares? In the meantime you can buy decent mage equips and make the transition.

My only regret with mage is why I hadn't switched sooner lol. So I'd say at least in terms of performance, it's the way to go if you can pay for it. But then again if you'd enjoy the style is another story so hopefully you can reach a satisfactory conclusion. Good luck!

in my imagery (and arguably realistically) using rapier with that set is not optimum

If you reforge and work on getting but+fat even overpower (so long as there's no swift strike), it's a pretty decent rapier for 1H imho.

You really don't need much to have 1H/heavy work.
Full mag armors (don't even need slaughter pieces) with a decent shield and that rapier (minus swift strike) will work wonders.

Honestly I would go as far to say no need to reforge that one either. Swift is bad if you have very high block and parry chance, but for beginners eh I don't think it's TERRIBLE. Besides I doubt he can handle the IW without that rapier and he has to use shitloads of amnesia shards since he probably won't have Dark Descent, I don't think it's really worth it.

If you want to play 1H just grab a decent shield and forge the fuck out its block chance and get some power armors on and you should be fine.

I hope he would give some advice.

I am a bit reluctant to play 1H because the most optimum 1H play here is rapier with shield and heavy armor, but in my imagery (and arguably realistically) using rapier with that set is not optimum, while using rapier and a parrying weapon on OH and focusing on evade is (realistically) optimum. So yeah I guess we can say that it simply doesn't suit my taste (imagery).

you can't have it all in just one set

if you want to be fast on DwD you need an ethereal axe or a club as main hand and a rapier as off hand.

For arenas you could use a rapier of slaughter and a waki (nimble if you want to try fests or IW), parry lv.50 on both

If you don't want to spend money on many weapons then just use your rapier and a good waki of the nimble =)

And, yeah, I play these styles because they look cool in my head (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Another thing you can consider is, it seems you have a good source of income to be able to max forge rapier around your level. If you can gouge up money for mage and if you are willing to make the transition, play whatever works for you with that rapier for now.

In the meantime you can buy decent mage equips and make the transition.

Nah, this is just a one time stroke of luck I guess, no way in hell I have the income to do 10m+ forge at this level, can't even play fest yet. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Is mage a must for high level? I think I'm gonna try mage later but I don't have the heart to buy the gears to be a good enough mage.

If you reforge and work on getting but+fat even overpower (so long as there's no swift strike), it's a pretty decent rapier for 1H imho.

You really don't need much to have 1H/heavy work.
Full mag armors (don't even need slaughter pieces) with a decent shield and that rapier (minus swift strike) will work wonders.

No, what I mean is that you probably won't find any evidence that a rapier used together with shield and heavy armor in real life, so the optimum 1H play here is way too far off reality to suit my taste.

you can't have it all in just one set

if you want to be fast on DwD you need an ethereal axe or a club as main hand and a rapier as off hand.

For arenas you could use a rapier of slaughter and a waki (nimble if you want to try fests or IW), parry lv.50 on both

If you don't want to spend money on many weapons then just use your rapier and a good waki of the nimble =)

And, yeah, I play these styles because they look cool in my head (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I take that axe/club is slaughter and rapier balance? Gotta go find them slaughter then, I already have rapier balance. But is waki nimble better than waki balance as off hand if I prefer to use rapier slaughter as main hand?
Ah kindred spirit. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

No, what I mean is that you probably won't find any evidence that a rapier used together with shield and heavy armor in real life, so the optimum 1H play here is way too far off reality to suit my taste.

Oh, for sure (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Just imagine a dude in full heavy armor with a large shield.... Taking out a tiny toothpick-ass rapier.
Get the fuck outta here (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Oh, for sure (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Just imagine a dude in full heavy armor with a large shield.... Taking out a tiny toothpick-ass rapier.
Get the fuck outta here (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Lol, now that I think about it that's a mix of duel gear and battle gear but not feasible in either duel or battle. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I take that axe/club is slaughter and rapier balance? Gotta go find them slaughter then, I already have rapier balance.

Look, if I were you I would just buy a club (ethereal or hallowed/demonic, doesn't matter since it's only for dwd, where you don't need high evade) and forge it to 25, then as off hand I'd use that rapier of slaughter

But is waki nimble better than waki balance as off hand if I prefer to use rapier slaughter as main hand?

Balance could be better for normal arenas, but not for IW of fest. Also, make sure they have high parry chance

lol but then again I find club and rapier equally unfeasible, and ppl using rapier probably didn't know there was such a thing as Wakizashi and vice versa XD.

Anyways, since we are deviating too much here's something from today - I'm getting a hang of it I guess! Just hope I have it better on normal arenas.... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif).

Look, if I were you I would just buy a club (ethereal or hallowed/demonic, doesn't matter since it's only for dwd, where you don't need high evade) and forge it to 25, then as off hand I'd use that rapier of slaughter
Balance could be better for normal arenas, but not for IW of fest. Also, make sure they have high parry chance

Hmm so club is only to play dwd faster, not suitable for nomal arenas let alone IW/fest?
Hoho so GF is such a nightmare that I have to prioritize def than atk, welp not like I'm gonna challenge it anytime soon anyway, can take my time to wait for a good waki nimble in auction.

lol but then again I find club and rapier equally unfeasible, and ppl using rapier probably didn't know there was such a thing as Wakizashi and vice versa XD.

Well yeah, in real life duel (because we're talking about rapier) you really only need 1 weapon that is rapier, maybe a parrying weapon on off hand depending on the rule, so using a club on MH and rapier on OH is absurd. Even more so if we consider a rapier's reach is way more than a club's, only a madman would strike with club first then do an off hand strike with the rapier.

Heck, even the act of using both weapon to attack is quite unfeasible, but with wiki's optimum DW play (rapier as main attack weapon and waki more intended to be a parrying weapon) I think it's feasible, though barely.

Hmm so club is only to play dwd faster, not suitable for nomal arenas let alone IW/fest?

you can try on arenas (it will depend on how good your stats are), but forget about the rest, you'll need a lot more parry for that...

This post has been edited by lololo16: Mar 12 2019, 21:15

you can try on arenas (it will depend on how good your stats are), but forget about the rest, you'll need a lot more parry for that...

okay, will do after I get my hands on one.
By the way how high should I have on evade at my level? Just curious.