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post Mar 10 2019, 03:14
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I see I see. Thank you! Yea probably I should just work on the dark set instead as it's pretty good as it stands, maybe I'll just max forge what I have (ofc not phase lol) and call it a day (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

As for spirit draught/potion, yea I find myself popping a few just to be safe lol. I've died a couple of times as melee because my sp instantly drained from taking few heavy shots :'(

Right now my phases are forged to 10, but some of them are around 340 levels and two of them are mag so lol. Probably not gonna soulfuse them either - maybe the cotton piece only if I can find good use of that extra 15 proficiency (But not now, as I've ran out of soul fragments lol)
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post Mar 10 2019, 06:16
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DW: 3,994 turns =D
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post Mar 11 2019, 03:15
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dark mage, LDKD+4r+1c, all except prof forged to 5, DDV and the usual perks, infusions (cheap enough that having them on at all times is still profitable), non-imperil against regular monsters, but casting it against schoolgirls to lower their MMit still saves time

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post Mar 11 2019, 04:20
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not that good t/s but it's ok, I guess

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post Mar 11 2019, 04:26
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Normal arenas are giving me harder times lmao
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post Mar 11 2019, 12:08
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Finally able to soulfuse my fully forged rapier.
3,914 turns!

Compared to 4,992 turns on my old rapier (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Still need to soulfuse my shield and get boots+leggings jug5 and soulfused.
Should be interesting.

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post Mar 11 2019, 12:19
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QUOTE(Saioux @ Mar 11 2019, 02:26) *

Normal arenas are giving me harder times lmao


That's normal! Schoolgirls are nowhere near as dangerous as regular monsters especially at higher levels - they just take longer to kill (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Mar 11 2019, 13:58
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I guess penetrated armor is really that important huh, finally able to soulfuse my rapier, cut a whopping 3000 turn from when I use double shortsword, only able to cut 15-20 minutes of time though, need to get used to this rapier first I guess.

I wonder will waki balance better than shortsword slaughter as the offhand. Need 10 more levels to soulfuse my waki though.
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post Mar 11 2019, 19:09
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QUOTE(fuadhika @ Mar 11 2019, 11:58) *

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I guess penetrated armor is really that important huh, finally able to soulfuse my rapier, cut a whopping 3000 turn from when I use double shortsword, only able to cut 15-20 minutes of time though, need to get used to this rapier first I guess.

I wonder will waki balance better than shortsword slaughter as the offhand. Need 10 more levels to soulfuse my waki though.


If you're playing dual wield, club mainhand + rapier offhand seems to be the way to go. I used axe MH + waki OH which was fine for iwbth, but much slower on pfudor now the mobs have pretty decent parry - seems the stun makes a pretty chunky difference there. Waki offhand is really good for survivability though if that's an issue but I wouldn't invest hard into one. Resident experts can say more.

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post Mar 11 2019, 19:25
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If you're playing dual wield, club mainhand + rapier offhand seems to be the way to go. I used axe MH + waki OH which was fine for iwbth, but much slower on pfudor now the mobs have pretty decent parry - seems the stun makes a pretty chunky difference there. Waki offhand is really good for survivability though if that's an issue but I wouldn't invest hard into one. Resident experts can say more.

I am planning to buy an ethereal club if there's any on WTS forum but I'm gonna use it on offhand, cause right now I see no difference in proc success rate (my bleeding and penetrated armor more often than not occur at the same time), so with that and also comparing the accuracy of rapier and club I think I prefer rapier as main hand. Are there any reason to put club on main hand?

What I like from waki balance are the high base accuracy and crit chance, but is it worth it compared to shortsword's higher adb?
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post Mar 11 2019, 19:48
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QUOTE(fuadhika @ Mar 11 2019, 19:25) *

I am planning to buy an ethereal club if there's any on WTS forum but I'm gonna use it on offhand, cause right now I see no difference in proc success rate (my bleeding and penetrated armor more often than not occur at the same time), so with that and also comparing the accuracy of rapier and club I think I prefer rapier as main hand. Are there any reason to put club on main hand?

What I like from waki balance are the high base accuracy and crit chance, but is it worth it compared to shortsword's higher adb?

Off-hand weapon has increased parry chance. Don't use club in it.
Use Rapier of Balance (100% offhand chance) / Nimble (higher parry, but lower offhand chance). Both will give you Penetrated Armour.

Also, have you tried using weapon infusions to increase your damage?..
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post Mar 11 2019, 21:19
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Also worth noting that you only gain 80% of your offhand's damage, and rapiers have significantly less than clubs. Balance also has crit chance besides just the accuracy bonus, which makes it more attractive than the purely defensive nimble option (though it's still good if you really need the parry).

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post Mar 11 2019, 22:10
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Level 370, Friday, DD5

3,981 turns 0:31:46 (2.089 t/s)

Level 372, Monday

4,137 turns 0:30:26 (2.266 t/s)

I beat my previous fastest time by a wide margin thanks to my internet being randomly much faster today, and it wasn't even on void day this time. Still not using infusions (or imperil) which only got me a 3% reduction in turns when I tested earlier. I played normally using Vital Strike, except for beating down Konata when in SG groups.
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post Mar 12 2019, 01:58
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QUOTE(tox01 @ Mar 11 2019, 19:48) *

Off-hand weapon has increased parry chance. Don't use club in it.
Use Rapier of Balance (100% offhand chance) / Nimble (higher parry, but lower offhand chance). Both will give you Penetrated Armour.

Also, have you tried using weapon infusions to increase your damage?..

Ah I do have this https://hentaiverse.org/equip/182957432/354c080652, but it's level is still way too far even just to soulfuse, and I'm prioritizing to soulfuse my waki balance right now and my armors after that, I guess I'll try club + rapier balance combo at end game later.

Not yet, because I think I want to minimize my equipment consumables (that's why I painfully bought ethereals rather than demonic/hallowed). Thank you for the advice. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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Also worth noting that you only gain 80% of your offhand's damage, and rapiers have significantly less than clubs. Balance also has crit chance besides just the accuracy bonus, which makes it more attractive than the purely defensive nimble option (though it's still good if you really need the parry).

B-but I've forged 100 my rapier slaughter (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) yeah I focused my waki balance forged on crit chance and parry chance, and maybe agi too later.
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post Mar 12 2019, 02:17
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If you've forged 100 your rapier, you should be playing 1H Heavy, not DW lol.
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post Mar 12 2019, 02:22
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QUOTE(Saioux @ Mar 12 2019, 02:17) *

If you've forged 100 your rapier, you should be playing 1H Heavy, not DW lol.

Yeah because I saw many people forged 100 their rapier but now that I think about it maybe all of them play 1H. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
But wiki says that the most offensive DW style is by using rapier slaughter as MH and waki balance as OH, so I thought it's natural to forge the rapier slaughter adb as soon as I find a good one (I can always salvage it to get most of the mats if I ever get my hands on a better rapier slaughter).
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post Mar 12 2019, 02:26
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You should play what your heart tells you to, but that max forged rapier is too much to just let go lol. If it's not soulbound maybe try to sell it and use that to get a new set for your DW? Give us a equipment link so we can tell you whether you should go 1H or you should DEFINITELY go 1H (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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DW: Rapier in your main hand for damage and Wakizashi in your offhand for the high parry chance. Preferably with "of Slaughter" suffix for main hand weapon and "of Nimble" suffix for offhand weapon. Other viable combinations include:

Club+Rapier

Club of Slaughter + Rapier of Balance - Good offensive combination but lacks defense.

Rapier+Wakizashi

Rapier of Slaughter + Wakizashi of Nimble / of Swiftness - Plays closer to 1H (less healing used). High Parry due to DW's Parry bonus. Good for Grindfest.

Rapier of Slaughter + Wakizashi of Balance - The most offensive DW combo.

Rapier of Nimble + Wakizashi of Nimble - The most defensive DW combo. Less damage due to low ADB.


So it does say, most offensive DW combo, although idk why since club+rapier obviously would have much higher adb? I'm no expert for DW but yea that seems somewhat misleading. I think new players should come straight to Ask the Experts instead of consulting HV Advice/Advice Advanced since some of them are outdated and misleading (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

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post Mar 12 2019, 02:33
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QUOTE(Saioux @ Mar 12 2019, 02:26) *

You should play what your heart tells you to, but that max forged rapier is too much to just let go lol. If it's not soulbound maybe try to sell it and use that to get a new set for your DW? Give us a equipment link so we can tell you whether you should go 1H or you should DEFINITELY go 1H (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Aaaaand I've soulfused it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
I think this one more suited to DW than 1H as it is ethereal, not really great stats but luckily got holy strike. https://hentaiverse.org/equip/182580726/2d29bf2c9a
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post Mar 12 2019, 02:39
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Idk how it rolls for DW, but if you want to play 1H you probably have to scrap that potency since you want butcher and fatality and swift strike is actually something you want to avoid. In that case what you can do is just upgrade it to IW9 and use infusions instead. Ethereal rapiers aren't bad for 1H - the argument is they are just overestimated.

lololo16 is the DW expert around here so I'd wait for his advice if I were you, but if you can get that rapier reforged, remember 1H is also viable (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Mar 12 2019, 02:52
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QUOTE(Saioux @ Mar 12 2019, 02:39) *

Idk how it rolls for DW, but if you want to play 1H you probably have to scrap that potency since you want butcher and fatality and swift strike is actually something you want to avoid. In that case what you can do is just upgrade it to IW9 and use infusions instead. Ethereal rapiers aren't bad for 1H - the argument is they are just overestimated.

lololo16 is the DW expert around here so I'd wait for his advice if I were you, but if you can get that rapier reforged, remember 1H is also viable (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Yeah I intentionally did that potency because I think swift strike benefit DW more than fatality (mostly in term of survivability and my armors are still crap).

I hope he would give some advice.

I am a bit reluctant to play 1H because the most optimum 1H play here is rapier with shield and heavy armor, but in my imagery (and arguably realistically) using rapier with that set is not optimum, while using rapier and a parrying weapon on OH and focusing on evade is (realistically) optimum. So yeah I guess we can say that it simply doesn't suit my taste (imagery).
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