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are all those fights from the same day, with no posts in between them, cause if there not, then its probably post count that skewed it, but I guess even then something seems off so I can't say for sure.

Easiest way to check if its something bugged would be to check your xp bonus using sonic's calculator.

Sonic's Calculator.

Will do.

Thanks.

I sometimes see people holding out with assigning their AP for various reasons, so I wondered if this was one of them. Does the ability reset cost increase slower, if you don't have as many AP assigned? Or is the cost increase pretty much constant?

Pretty sure its constant. The only reason I hold out on assigning AP is because I'm saving them to get all the abilities I want/need on the next tier as soon as I get to it, which usually means I save at least 7 and assigned the other 3 as I get them. Now that I've hit the 100+ range where there are missing trees, I've just been dropping them into SP-OC in between, though I did spec in SV, Haste, Bewilder, and Weaken in the last few levels.

I sometimes see people holding out with assigning their AP for various reasons, so I wondered if this was one of them. Does the ability reset cost increase slower, if you don't have as many AP assigned? Or is the cost increase pretty much constant?

it increases the same regardless of how many points you have assigned. People usually don't assign points cause the are saving for the next tier of abilities. Or in most cases on the "Ask the Experts" thread looking for advice on where to spend the points.

Hi to ya all.

I have started HentaiVerse yesterday and have a couple of questions. (Tons actually, but I'll stick to the critical ones.)

First off I have had some trouble finding answers to my questions, because there's no newbie friendly tutorials. (Well I got the basics though.) And search doesn't help me most of the time. For example if I was to search for an item or some other relevant term like credits, hath, etc. I get hundreds of search results because you guys post battle logs that include them.^^
It's hard to actually find what you're looking for.

Alright, my questions:

#1: "You have exceeded the number of Grindfests you can start in one day."
I didn't even know Grindfests were limited. So how do I keep track of how many I've done? I'd have preferred to know that I'm about to hit the cap beforehand. And how many Grindfests can you start anyway?

#2: Trainer - is there anything I should concentrate on? So far I have 10 upgrades in Exp bonus and I'm currently training Archaeologist. But I have second thoughts about my decision. Is it even useful? It's verrry expensive. But artifacts are niiice...

#3: Hath perks - Alright, I want them! (Naturally.) But they're a pain to get, so what's the first one I should aim for? I like Penny Pincher (100 hath). On the other hand Innate Arcana is quite cheap (50 hath), but is it useful? Or should I skip both and aim for a black or white Aura? 200 hath will definitely take a while and I'm nowhere near getting any of those. But I figured I should at the very least aim for one.

Help much appreciated. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Alright, my questions:

#1: "You have exceeded the number of Grindfests you can start in one day."
I didn't even know Grindfests were limited. So how do I keep track of how many I've done? I'd have preferred to know that I'm about to hit the cap beforehand. And how many Grindfests can you start anyway?

#2: Trainer - is there anything I should concentrate on? So far I have 10 upgrades in Exp bonus and I'm currently training Archaeologist. But I have second thoughts about my decision. Is it even useful? It's verrry expensive. But artifacts are niiice...

#3: Hath perks - Alright, I want them! (Naturally.) But they're a pain to get, so what's the first one I should aim for? I like Penny Pincher (100 hath). On the other hand Innate Arcana is quite cheap (50 hath), but is it useful? Or should I skip both and aim for a black or white Aura? 200 hath will definitely take a while and I'm nowhere near getting any of those. But I figured I should at the very least aim for one.

Help much appreciated. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

The answer to your first question is answered here. I advise you to read the first post in particular.

Question 2: Scavenger is going to be your friend if you want loot. At this point in time, you want quantity over quality since the chance of getting quality stuff is pretty low. The more drops you get, the more likely you are to get good loot. You can also sell excess items, things you don't need, for some extra credits. Don't expect to make a fortune doing that, though, they don't sell for much. Training Ability Boost would also be a good idea, since those first few tiers are when you need points the most. I would also advise getting at least the first Aura and Item slots in the near future.

Third question: Get Penny Pincher first as it will provide better returns over the long run the sooner you get it. IA will be more beneficial if you can get the first two levels, even for just the small upkeep reduction, since you're low level and don't have much as far as mana and proficiencies go.

I would also suggest you read the wiki. There is a lot of good info there that we've recently been working on updating.

Thank you, uth, for pointing out the Calculator.

First, re-capping the results of a series of 10 fights each before acquiring Rainbow Aura, and after acquiring it. These Fight Series were done almost immediately after one another, and due to a console game that I am currently playing, I have not been posting heavily as of late -not that I'm the most prolific Poster around here in the first place.



Before Rainbow Aura:--------------------------------------------------------After Rainbow Aura


1]] 185 exp.----------------------------------------------------------------------------211 exp.

2]] 183 exp.----------------------------------------------------------------------------214 exp.

3]] 184 exp.----------------------------------------------------------------------------214 exp.

4]] 184 exp.----------------------------------------------------------------------------218 exp.

5]] 186 exp.----------------------------------------------------------------------------215 exp.

6]] 184 exp.----------------------------------------------------------------------------215 exp.

7]] 188 exp.----------------------------------------------------------------------------214 exp.

8]] 189 exp.----------------------------------------------------------------------------212 exp.

9]] 181 exp.----------------------------------------------------------------------------217 exp.

10]]190 exp.----------------------------------------------------------------------------215 exp.


AV 185.4/Round-----------------------------------------------------------------------214.5/Round


After taking uth's advice, and making use of Sonic's Calculator, I input the following information:

A]] I have four Auras active; over time, I used some of the Aura Points to 'rank up' certain, more useful Auras instead of lighting them all up.

B]] I have a 75% EXP Bonus courtesy of the Henjutsu Training Screen.

C]] I first acquired the White Aura, for another 50% EXP bonus.

D]] I now have the Rainbow Aura, for another 77% EXP bonus.

E]] I also have the "Golden At," which according to Sonic's Calculator adds another amount to the total -personally, I'm not sure if it's a percentage of the existing number, or a raw amount (the EXP Bonus score increases by 43, but that seems like a weird number to arbitrarily come up with).



According to the Calculator, I should be sporting a hefty 390% bonus to the EXP that I earn -roughly 4 times the base amount of EXP that I earn should be added to my totals for each /Round/Hourly Fight/Daily Award.


Before I resort to interfering with what must be an incredibly busy schedule on Tenboro's part, would one (or more) of you tell me where I might be wrong??

Perhaps if one or more of you posted your own EXP Averages as a point of comparison, we could see what's going on??

NOTE: Let's not even get into the whole Power Bonus thing; the DMG doled out to individual monsters with their own individual levels is so variable that I didn't even attempt to post a Damage AVG. In any event, the Calculator says that I should be enjoying a 151% bonus to DMG........but frankly, besides putting A-Points into Overcharge, I don't think that I've ever seen a noticeable difference.


EDIT: Just realized/remembered that extra Ranks in a given Aura don't give extra EXP reward after the first time; altered Post accordingly.


This post has been edited by Thanos008: Dec 14 2009, 21:12

Afaik, power bonuses are only for your power bar, i.e. for the karma system as explained here : http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Karma

For your xp bonus problem, don't forget that a +100% bonus is equivalent to xp * 2. So a 200% xp bonus is a +50% xp gain in comparison to a 100% bonus.

From what i have looked, here is how every xp bonuses work in the EH calculator :


Base xp :
-> xp abilities, adept learner, the post count during the day and the toplist are all additive, which determine a base multiplier
1 point in xp ability = +3%
1 point in adept learner = +1%
post during the day = (log(%post_count%)/2*100)
toplist = the following algorithm :

CODE

xp_bonus = 0;
foreach (best user rank in one of the toplist of a specific category) {
    if (rank==1) then xp_bonus += 50;
    elseif (rank==2) then xp_bonus += 40;
    elseif (rank<=6) then xp_bonus += 35-(rank-3)*5;
    elseif (rank<=25) then xp_bonus += 20-(rank-6);
}

example:
15 points in xp abilities + 75 in adept learner + 10 post done + 1 toplist ranked 2
-> 15*3 + 75 + log(10)/2*100 + 40 = 210%
-> so a 3.1 xp base multiplier


Aura XP
Every auras bonuses are additives between themselves, and the new resulting multiplier is then multiplied by the above base multiplier
Every base aura = +7%
Black or White aura = +50%
Rainbow aura = +77%
Bronze aura = +25%
Silver aura = +50%
Gold aura = +100%
Tristar aura = +200%
Quintstar aura = +300%
Septuastar aura = +400%
Catgirl aura = +500%
Cookie = +20%
Twin Jewel = +100%
Dull = +50%
Golden at = +25%

example:
4 base auras + white aura + gold aura + cookie + golden at
4*7 + 50 + 100 + 20 + 25 = 223%
so a 3.23 aura multiplier


Hath Perk
And finaly, the xp perk, which is a final global multiplier
ex : Disciplined Learner = 20% so a 1.2 final multiplier


Check
In EH Caltulator, using every bonuses in the previous examples, we should fine 3.1*3.23*1.2 = 12,0156 -> 1101,56% bonus xp. I find 1101.6%


So using your numbers :

without rainbow aura
0 ap in xp bonus
75 in adept learner
? post during the day (i'll assume 3, which is your average)
#19 in the december h@h toplist
-> 105.9%, a 2.059 base mutiplier
4 base auras
white aura
golden at
-> 103%, a 2.03 aura multiplier
which gives us :
-> 317.9% or a 4.179 multiplier

with rainbow aura
-> 476.4% or a 5.764 multiplier

So your xp rate should have increased by 5.764 / 4.179 ~= 1,38 -> 38%

Your data shows a 15-16% increase, which means :
-> The EH calculator is wrong (maybe)
-> or there is a bug in the xp calculation (it happens)
-> or your data are completely wrong, by a >20% margin (unlikely ?)

Explanation attempt :
Maybe the rainbow aura replaces the white/black aura bonuses.
In this case, the new aura multiplier would be 2.3 (130% bonus), and the final multiplier would be 4,7357 (373.57% bonus).
The increase in xp would be 4.7357 / 4.179 ~= 13.3% xp increase, which is a lot closer to your numbers.
Something really interesting to test would be checking if the white and black aura xp bonuses stack.

An official confirmation would be welcomed, especially if the HV character bonuses work the same way (rainbow aura bonuses overwriting the white/black aura bonuses).

This post has been edited by vaelh: Dec 14 2009, 23:35

Afaik, power bonuses are only for your power bar, i.e. for the karma system as explained here : http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Karma

For your xp bonus problem, don't forget that a +100% bonus is equivalent to xp * 2. So a 200% xp bonus is a +50% xp gain in comparison to a 100% bonus.

From what i have looked, here is how every xp bonuses work in the EH calculator :


Base xp :
-> xp abilities, adept learner, the post count during the day and the toplist are all additive, which determine a base multiplier
1 point in xp ability = +3%
1 point in adept learner = +1%
post during the day = (log(%post_count%)/2*100)
toplist = the following algorithm :

CODE

xp_bonus = 0;
foreach (best user rank in one of the toplist of a specific category) {
    if (rank==1) then xp_bonus += 50;
    elseif (rank==2) then xp_bonus += 40;
    elseif (rank<=6) then xp_bonus += 35-(rank-3)*5;
    elseif (rank<=25) then xp_bonus += 20-(rank-6);
}

example:
15 points in xp abilities + 75 in adept learner + 10 post done + 1 toplist ranked 2
-> 15*3 + 75 + log(10)/2*100 + 40 = 210%
-> so a 3.1 xp base multiplier


Aura XP
Every auras bonuses are additives between themselves, and the new resulting multiplier is then multiplied by the above base multiplier
Every base aura = +7%
Black or White aura = +50%
Rainbow aura = +77%
Bronze aura = +25%
Silver aura = +50%
Gold aura = +100%
Tristar aura = +200%
Quintstar aura = +300%
Septuastar aura = +400%
Catgirl aura = +500%
Cookie = +20%
Twin Jewel = +100%
Dull = +50%
Golden at = +25%

example:
4 base auras + white aura + gold aura + cookie + golden at
4*7 + 50 + 100 + 20 + 25 = 223%
so a 3.23 aura multiplier


Hath Perk
And finaly, the xp perk, which is a final global multiplier
ex : Disciplined Learner = 20% so a 1.2 final multiplier


Check
In EH Caltulator, using every bonuses in the previous examples, we should fine 3.1*3.23*1.2 = 12,0156 -> 1101,56% bonus xp. I find 1101.6%


So using your numbers :

without rainbow aura
0 ap in xp bonus
75 in adept learner
? post during the day (i'll assume 3, which is your average)
#19 in the december h@h toplist
-> 105.9%, a 2.059 base mutiplier
4 base auras
white aura
golden at
-> 103%, a 2.03 aura multiplier
which gives us :
-> 317.9% or a 4.179 multiplier

with rainbow aura
-> 476.4% or a 5.764 multiplier

So your xp rate should have increased by 5.764 / 4.179 ~= 1,38 -> 38%

Your data shows a 15-16% increase, which means :
-> The EH calculator is wrong (maybe)
-> or there is a bug in the xp calculation (it happens)
-> or your data are completely wrong, by a >20% margin (unlikely ?)

Explanation attempt :
Maybe the rainbow aura replaces the white/black aura bonuses.
In this case, the new aura multiplier would be 2.3 (130% bonus), and the final multiplier would be 4,7357 (373.57% bonus).
The increase in xp would be 4.7357 / 4.179 ~= 13.3% xp increase, which is a lot closer to your numbers.
Something really interesting to test would be checking if the white and black aura xp bonuses stack.

An official confirmation would be welcomed, especially if the HV character bonuses work the same way (rainbow aura bonuses overwriting the white/black aura bonuses).

Interesting Post.

While I can't switch off the Spectrals, I think that what I will do in the next few hours is switch off my basic Auras, amass another set of Battle EXP totals and averages, and then report back here.

This is a fascinating discussion, and I can't wait to learn the outcome. Math problems like this really interest me, cause I'm a nerd. And, in case this does turn out to be some sort of bug (either in Sonic's calc, vaelh's formulas, or HV itself), I'd be glad to see it fixed.

EDIT: Before I start a new thread on the topic, I wanted to ask here: Is the amount of EXP required for each level known? If not, I want to start a thread, asking people to post their "Current EXP" and "To next level" values, to build a table of how much EXP is required for each level, in order to update the wiki.

This post has been edited by coredumperror: Dec 15 2009, 11:17

This is a fascinating discussion, and I can't wait to learn the outcome. Math problems like this really interest me, cause I'm a nerd. And, in case this does turn out to be some sort of bug (either in Sonic's calc, vaelh's formulas, or HV itself), I'd be glad to see it fixed.

Unfortunately (for you), this turned out to not be a "math problem" at all; apparently it was just a bug that got fixed, and my EXP Gains are substantially higher -somewhere in the vicinity of 310 on Cake, well above yesterday's reported average of 210,and substantially higher than that in in the Arenas and Hourlies.

Well, you know what they say: Tenboro The Lord works in mysterious ways.

EDIT: Before I start a new thread on the topic, I wanted to ask here: Is the amount of EXP required for each level known? If not, I want to start a thread, asking people to post their "Current EXP" and "To next level" values, to build a table of how much EXP is required for each level, in order to update the wiki.

I believe that this already a long-term project of the forum member Sonic; perhaps one of the others will be able tell you which Thread that is -it might even be the same Thread that the HV Calculator is in, but I'm not at all sure.

Unfortunately (for you), this turned out to not be a "math problem" at all; apparently it was just a bug that got fixed, and my EXP Gains are substantially higher -somewhere in the vicinity of 310 on Cake, well above yesterday's reported average of 210,and substantially higher than that in in the Arenas and Hourlies.

So was it a system-wide bug fix, or just you specifically who was bugged?

So was it a system-wide bug fix, or just you specifically who was bugged?

Don't know.

I guess that the best way for individuals to find out is to turn off their "turn-offable" Auras, and then see if there is a noticeable difference in EXP Gain/Loss.

And since my own EXP Gains were extremely sizable, other individuals should be able to figure out, somehow, if the difference between activated/deactivated Aura EXP Gains means that all of their Auras, including their Spectrals, are working as well -maybe by doing the math in 'reverse' using vaelh's formula in the Posts above ours.

This just came to me -they could also just post an AVG of EXP gained from their Battles, inform us of all the Auras and Awards that they have, and then ask/wait for someone with a similar Aura set-up to contrast and compare their EXP gain.

EDIT: Before I start a new thread on the topic, I wanted to ask here: Is the amount of EXP required for each level known? If not, I want to start a thread, asking people to post their "Current EXP" and "To next level" values, to build a table of how much EXP is required for each level, in order to update the wiki.

See here.

See here.

That's a pretty awesome thread, but it's not really what I was talking about. I'd like to know how much EXP is required to reach the next Henjutsu level (is it even still called Henjutsu level?), not how much each stat point costs. I want to update this table on the wiki.

Clearly my brain is broken. Go ahead and start a thread.

Has anybody else run into this ongoing problem that I for one am having with EXP gain in HV??

I reported in the last several Posts that my EXP gain seemed to me lacking, then it was fixed the other day.........and now it's back down again.

(From an avg. of 210 with multiple Auras, Black/Rainbow Spectral Auras and Awards, then fixed the other day to garner as much as 305-310 avg. EXP gain.....and today back down to 200.)

Bloody hell??

That's how it works. The more you post, the more EXP you get.

That's how it works. The more you post, the more EXP you get.

I think that is only true for the first hundred posts, but unless Thanos turns into another D^3, he wont have a problem with that.

That's how it works. The more you post, the more EXP you get.

Except that this EXP jump that happened the other day, happened when I'd done all of maybe 5 or 6 posts or so to the Forum that day (and for me, that is about the usual for e-hentai -I'm not nearly as active in these Forums as I have historically been in others).


But by all means, keep coming up with possible ideas for me to explore -I'd really appreciate seeing them, especially if it helps me solve this problem.


EDIT/CORRECTION: Just on a lark, Sayo, I decided to make a Post to see just how far your suggestion could take me.....and boy, were you ever onto something.


I'm not 100% sure, but I am pretty sure that I have only made 2 or 3 Posts today, total, including this one.....and just now, my EXP gain jumped from 210 to 250!!


I wonder how far this Posting/EXP Gain goes in a given day -have you ever personally seen the upper limits of EXP Gain in your own experiences??



This post has been edited by Thanos008: Dec 16 2009, 21:54