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post Jul 22 2018, 04:22
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I wrote a lot but then erased it all. How about this then: just leave your WTB closed. That might not be so bad. You still accept low level equipments for sale through your auction, right? The trashier stuff should be just that, trash. You've built up enough, you don't need anymore.

Remember that the game got easier for low level players just one year ago, so we are seeing a gradual increase in legendary low level equipment. More stuff is becoming trash and should be bazaared.

This may also affect low level equipment pricing in general. They should probably be lower in price this year than last year, and proper pricing should stabilize in one more year.

If you reopen your WTB, do so with that in mind. The minimum requirements should be stricter than before.

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post Jul 22 2018, 09:56
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I already have that in mind yes. I'm also one of the first players who said "this won't end up good tenboro" when that one update with monster HP scaling came out. But bitching about it isn't gonna fix anything. Being always more strict and the current situation are the direct consequence of the market flooded with always more equipment.

So overall I might just open up to Lvl400, and leave the WTB to rest in peace.
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post Jul 22 2018, 11:04
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jul 22 2018, 09:56) *

So overall I might just open up to Lvl400, and leave the WTB to rest in peace.


sounds like a plan! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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post Jul 22 2018, 11:39
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Do peerless items need to meet the same criteria as legendaries for your auctions or do they just get an automatic pass? They're not mentioned in the auction rules.
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post Jul 22 2018, 11:43
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QUOTE(Gibberishly @ Jul 22 2018, 11:39) *

Do peerless items need to meet the same criteria as legendaries for your auctions or do they just get an automatic pass? They're not mentioned in the auction rules.


some collectors (most of them are called Scremaz) offer 50k for any peerless
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post Jul 22 2018, 13:13
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QUOTE(Gibberishly @ Jul 22 2018, 11:39) *

Do peerless items need to meet the same criteria as legendaries for your auctions or do they just get an automatic pass? They're not mentioned in the auction rules.

Automatic pass. Peerless is beyond rules. Not necessarily worth a lot, but beyond the rules nonetheless.
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post Jul 29 2018, 18:31
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Decondelite, have you ever thought about adding some sort of extension to the auctions the way some of the others have, to prevent sniping? I know in the rules it's 'tolerated within a certain limit' but goddamn, I gotta say being sniped by the same guy for the nth time, within 14 minutes of the auction closing is seriously disheartening. I wish I could stay up into the middle of the night to to bid - the only reason I'm awake right now is because I set an alarm to bid, it's just I slept past the end of the auctions LOL

Like, extending it for 30 minutes if someone bids in the last 30 minutes. Or extending it an hour if they bid in the last 15 minutes.

If this is something you've thought of and just elected to not implement it, don't worry. I'm just salty.

Edit: Rereading your rules, it seems that you've probably put a fair amount of thought into not having this "unlike Kedama's and Super's there is no extended time... bid accordingly" so, you know, no worries. Just ignore this

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post Jul 29 2018, 19:36
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I totally saw that one coming, you know. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

It's not the first time someone gets bitter regarding players who snipe at the last minute. I do understand how it feels, I do have thought about a way to discourage such behaviors, and that's how I came to imagine the system of quick bids.
But then, when it's about not wanting to bid as much as the quick bid... at least you know that when it happens, it's the case for both you and the sniper.

The "bid accordingly" is really a way of saying "if you don't really bid your max ASAP, except disapointment".

That being said, OK I will add an extended time for late builds, even though I'm not very found of that. I'll extend the bids for 2 hours if a bid occured during the last hour. I've got nothing to lose (and the buyers either) by adding such a system. And of course I will probably issue strikes to those who bid at the very last moment consistently, though it has never happened yet.

And the day I will (finally) have the time for it, proxy bids will be a thing.
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post Jul 29 2018, 19:44
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jul 29 2018, 19:36) *

I totally saw that one coming, you know. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

It's not the first time someone gets bitter regarding players who snipe at the last minute. I do understand how it feels, I do have thought about a way to discourage such behaviors, and that's how I came to imagine the system of quick bids.
But then, when it's about not wanting to bid as much as the quick bid... at least you know that when it happens, it's the case for both you and the sniper.

The "bid accordingly" is really a way of saying "if you don't really bid your max ASAP, except disapointment".

That being said, OK I will add an extended time for late builds, even though I'm not very found of that. I'll extend the bids for 2 hours if a bid occured during the last hour. I've got nothing to lose (and the buyers either) by adding such a system. And of course I will probably issue strikes to those who bid at the very last moment consistently, though it has never happened yet.

And the day I will (finally) have the time for it, proxy bids will be a thing.

I saw it coming too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Which is why I set an alarm... Which failed me, I'm a pretty heavy sleeper. I agree on the bid your max thing, although I will say, it doesn't always work (RIP that awesome shield I lost a week ago in another auction, also snipperoonied in the last few minutes) but I digress. Thanks for considering that proposal, I honestly really do appreciate it. I'm always bidding in your auctions anyways, more equipment will come around soon (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

One day, I'm going to look back at this. I'll probably be drinking in my living room after a day of work, my wife and kids asleep, and remember the time I set an alarm to win some virtual weapons for the mostly text game attached to a porn/hentai website.
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post Jul 29 2018, 21:20
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QUOTE(aleden @ Jul 29 2018, 17:31) *

I gotta say being sniped by the same guy for the nth time


Please tell the truth, nth time ?? From the begining to now, I only buy 4 things from all the auctions: one armor (decondelite auction: I pay as quick bid), one helmet (Super's auction: I use proxy bid), one force shield (Kedama's Auction), one rapier (decondelite auction)
The armor and helmet don't have any relation with you.
Only 2 things related to you that you also bid are force shield and rapier. So, it is nth time ?? you said it likely I already bid same thing with you 20 times ?? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

QUOTE(aleden @ Jul 29 2018, 18:44) *

(RIP that awesome shield I lost a week ago in another auction, also snipperoonied in the last few minutes)


Really?? My last bid is about 1 hour from the auction end, below is the link for that auction and the time I make my last bid, check it by yourself, you call that sniping (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) And remember one thing, this is Kedama's Auction, with also have extend time to prevent sniping case, you lose that force shield and call me a sniper (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showt...7922&st=100


About the rapier. This rapier price decrease to 1.5m from last week, so If you like it that much, why don't you buy it last week, because if you buy it last week I never and never have enough budget to bid, I'm just a low level player.
And why don't you start it soon this week auction if you tell you like it, I start bid it the 4th day of the auction this week, as soon as I finish budget for it, you just bid after I had started bid it first.

Do you think you are the only one who must stay up into the middle of the night to bid ?? Do you know what time is it here (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif), I must wake up at night to bid and wait for it end, too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) It is tired but I still can and you can't ? . So, think about yourself before blame another person, please.

Sorry for my bad English, it is not my primary language.

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post Jul 29 2018, 21:47
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QUOTE(-Daiki- @ Jul 29 2018, 21:20) *

Please tell the truth, nth time ?? From the begining to now, I only buy 4 things from all the auctions: one armor (decondelite auction: I pay as quick bid), one helmet (Super's auction: I use proxy bid), one force shield (Kedama's Auction), one rapier (decondelite auction)
The armor and helmet don't have any relation with you.
Only 2 things related to you that you also bid are force shield and rapier. So, it is nth time ?? you said it likely I already bid same thing with you 20 times ?? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
Really?? My last bid is about 1 hour from the auction end, below is the link for that auction and the time I make my last bid, check it by yourself, you call that sniping (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) And remember one thing, this is Kedama's Auction, with also have extend time to prevent sniping case, you lose that force shield and call me a sniper (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showt...7922&st=100
About the rapier. This rapier price decrease to 1.5m from last week, so If you like it that much, why don't you buy it last week, because if you buy it last week I never and never have enough budget to bid, I'm just a low level player.
And why don't you start it soon this week auction if you tell you like it, I start bid it the 4th day of the auction this week, as soon as I finish budget for it, you just bid after I had started bid it first.

Do you think you are the only one who must stay up into the middle of the night to bid ?? Do you know what time is it here (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif), I must wake up at night to bid and wait for it end, too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) It is tired but I still can and you can't ? . So, think about yourself before blame another person, please.

Sorry for my bad English, it is not my primary language.


Okay man. Enjoy the rapier.
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post Jul 29 2018, 22:14
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@aleden
Tbh just quick bid it if you were that desperate. Since your last bid was already so high and it was only 5 bids at max away if the other bidder continued bidding at the same night.
@decondelite
Imo quick bidding is good enough for so called sniping issue, and it's better than proxy bidding. Adding 1 or 2 hours extension doesn't really help if the auction end time lands on midnight for a bidder.
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post Jul 29 2018, 22:30
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I just wanna say congratulations to decondelite because I noticed you sold quite a bit of items of both high and low value over the last two auctions. That means you are pricing your items well, perhaps you merely had a random dry spell previously.

Another benefit of the hybrid auction/shop system I had overlooked long ago when you started this, is that if you price an item too low, the auction format may restore the proper price.
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post Jul 31 2018, 00:38
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Thank you everyone for your support. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I'd appreciate some feedback on what I've set up regarding that extended time. I've made my best so it's perfectly fair for everyone, but absolutely evil aswell. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Jul 31 2018, 00:51
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jul 31 2018, 00:38) *

Thank you everyone for your support. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I'd appreciate some feedback on what I've set up regarding that extended time. I've made my best so it's perfectly fair for everyone, but absolutely evil aswell. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


I genuinely think it's fine. IMO, the benefits go beyond just preventing items from being sniped. A two hour extension is nice. If there are two, hell, three... Four people bidding on an item, and all four understand that rule is in place, it encourages everyone to bid higher faster. Better for you, better for the seller, and in the end, better for the bidders even if they lose out on more money. A classic bidwar will hit the quick bid price pretty fast, but take one where two or three folks bid, and then all the bids go quiet when they hit a certain point, like 3.5 million. Nothing for 24 hours, then it hits 3.75 million in the last few minutes. That's fine, but with the extension the folks who might have bid in the last minutes will bid earlier. Even if they don't, 2 hours is a good enough time to prop that over 4 million. We learned in this thread (not like we needed it to be confirmed, but regardless) folks will stay up for an item they really want.

Anyways, those are my thoughts on it. If you want to get more out of your items for yourself and the seller, it's absolutely a move they will like. A lot of times, if people want to be frugal, they have a sort of 'internal cap' on what they're willing to bid right off. If that gets hit, they'll save they're last bid or two for the closing moments of the auctions. So what I'm saying is, that scenario is lessened. Because if they do continue to bid that way, they'll still be outbid. That's still a win for the auction and seller. If they realize what's up and bid normally, then others can bid up to whatever maximum they want to bid to, and it's likely the item will go much, much higher than before. That's an even bigger win for the auction and seller. It also prevents people from being salty. Sorry for bringing that argument in here LOL

EDIT: Randomly, this is kind of funny - Decondelite, I've been waiting for days for you to send me that Power Helmet I thought I won in the auctions. So I went back and realized I actually also got sniped in the last minutes for that item as well. I think everyone can admit that if you bid within the first day of the auction "ITEM START", and not a single person bids for 99.9% of the time, and then bids the MINIMUM in the last 4 minutes of the auction, that is kind of shitty. Shitty for the person who had the item for the entirety of the auction, shitty for the auctioneer, and shitty for the seller. Not at least allowing it to go to bidwar - regardless of the 'quick bid' price being there or not - is kind of lame.

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post Aug 1 2018, 17:59
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if there's no proxy bid,there's always possible for sniping bid, since hentaiverse is really international
but not everyone is a programer who can write code for that (sad)

or, bid to your highest price and no one could snipe it :cry

@aleden
oh oh is this your reason for buying a new rapier?
if so, you can take this one for free if you soulfuse it later(after complete iw)
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post Aug 1 2018, 19:36
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QUOTE(DLAE @ Aug 1 2018, 23:59) *

if there's no proxy bid,there's always possible for sniping bid, since hentaiverse is really international
but not everyone is a programer who can write code for that (sad)

or, bid to your highest price and no one could snipe it :cry

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oh oh is this your reason for buying a new rapier?
if so, you can take this one for free if you soulfuse it later(after complete iw)

Proxy bid only
This is less likely to happen because it will drive the auction away from one of it's purpose where there isn't a roof:
In a general way, these auctions are designed to help low/mid level players acquiring materials and equipments in adequation to their needs and their modest incomes...

Proxy bid on top of Quick bid
It depends on how kind the Evil is to put tremendous effort to get the script going just to save players some chump change. Evil is kind,huh?
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post Aug 1 2018, 19:45
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I do can code, it's even my profession, but my one issue is that I don't have the time to do that.
I'd need to finish my panel first, but it requires a looot of time.
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post Aug 2 2018, 02:43
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QUOTE(monkey_lmf @ Aug 2 2018, 01:36) *

Evil is kind,huh?

i see (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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post Aug 14 2018, 14:57
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A quick bid doesn't let you receive an item before the auctions end, right?
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