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so does that mean radiant is kind of garbage for (WIND)elemental PFfest and imperil is necessary even with 1.0 prof?

i'm currently using 4 radiant and 1 charged elem but i was going to replace the radiant boots to bring me close to 1.0

so if non-imperil elemental isnt possible the goal is to go all charged then?

You don't need anything beyond 0.78 for imperil play. I'm saying that 0.68 with more firepower+imperil is better than 1.0 non-imperil, if you are playing elemental mage.

For arena you can do whatever the hell you want and still get by easily, but for pffest first you need a LOT of forging regardless of the style you are playing.

I don't know, it feels like playing non-imperil elemental is just as bad as playing imperil holy. It could work, sure, but it's not the best thing with the style.

Elemental - shorter casting time, 40% elemental mitigation, monsters have higher elemental resistance in general: Imperil's better
Dark - longer casting time, 25% dark mitigation, monsters have lower dark resistance in general: non-imperil Willow got shitloads of depr prof: imperil can work
Holy - longer casting time, 25% holy mitigation, breached defense, lower holy resistance in general, no depr prof on oak: Non-imperil's better.

Az for non-imperil elemental... well it plays out roughly the same than for holy/dark, except that your spells base power is lower. So it's certainly not as efficient.

Is the base power significantly lower? The spells themselves are the same, but holy/dark have soul fire/ripened soul. Are those significant enough to say they differ in the firepower? I've always been wondering.

EDIT: Oh T3 is the same but T1 T2 holy dark have it a bit better (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by Saioux: Apr 13 2019, 10:02

By the way, how are min/max profs supposed to affect the spells? They aren't explicitly listed in spell damage.

By the way, how are min/max profs supposed to affect the spells? They aren't explicitly listed in spell damage.

Profs?
Monsters have elemental mitigation. Players have proficiency, but I don't get min/max?

HV Utils shows the effect of prof factor quite nicely. It affects elemental counter resist and elemental resist, and the total damage that you can do on each type or upgrade-class of monster.

0.916 prof factor (and still rising)


1.0 prof factor


Question: which one do you think is more useful in PFFEST?

This post has been edited by DJNoni: Apr 13 2019, 11:21

Profs?
Monsters have elemental mitigation. Players have proficiency, but I don't get min/max?

HV Utils shows the effect of prof factor quite nicely. It affects elemental counter resist and elemental resist, and the total damage that you can do on each type or upgrade-class of monster.

0.916 prof factor (and still rising)


1.0 prof factor


Question: which one do you think is more useful in PFFEST?

This is listed in the wiki, maybe it's not applicable anymore post-0.82?



Answer: Second one, cuz you probably have enough firepower with the second one already with your at least DD V lol.

This is listed in the wiki, maybe it's not applicable anymore post-0.82?



Answer: Second one, cuz you probably have enough firepower with the second one already with your at least DD V lol.

It's probably referring your Cast speed (& also mana cost reduction).
For example, for Flames of Loki, with 800 prof you can have max CS bonus gain from proficiency.

This post has been edited by qr12345: Apr 13 2019, 11:39

This is listed in the wiki, maybe it's not applicable anymore post-0.82?



Answer: Second one, cuz you probably have enough firepower with the second one already with your at least DD V lol.

That means that if you have very low proficiency, the spells aren't available yet.

Second one, huh? So proficiency over firepower? Fact is, they are almost the same. 1st one is a bit faster in IW100, but has slightly higher chance of dying in PFFEST. 2nd one is a bit better in the last half of PFFEST, 1st one is a bit better in the 1st half of PFFEST. So it depends on when I flee.

It's probably referring your Cast speed (& also mana cost reduction).
For example, for Flames of Loki, with 800 prof you can have max CS bonus gain from proficiency.

Ah, maybe that's that.

That means that if you have very low proficiency, the spells aren't available yet.

Second one, huh? So proficiency over firepower? Fact is, they are almost the same. 1st one is a bit faster in IW100, but has slightly higher chance of dying in PFFEST. 2nd one is a bit better in the last half of PFFEST, 1st one is a bit better in the 1st half of PFFEST. So it depends on when I flee.

Yea but I guess what's bugging me is the max proficiency part. What is 900 proficiency supposed to do??

As for your set, I can't believe you still don't have a stable clear on pffest (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) I could only dream of reaching your set in a very distant future, yet if you can't do it ugh.

This post has been edited by Saioux: Apr 13 2019, 12:12

As I was saying over IRC, the "max prof" corresponds to the point where you reach the -25% cost for offensive spells, the max duration for other spells.

Ah, maybe that's that.
Yea but I guess what's bugging me is the max proficiency part. What is 900 proficiency supposed to do??

As for your set, I can't believe you still don't have a stable clear on pffest (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) I could only dream of reaching your set in a very distant future, yet if you can't do it ugh.

Well, I have the gear to go imperil style as well, but I'm done with that. Mind you, I have been grinding every day - every single day - since 2016. So that's why I am done with imperil play. My gear is very expensive. And still not enough to breeze through PFFEST. I think you need holy for that. But don't feel sorry for me (I am sure you didn't anyway (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) ). I have good income from arena's, DWD <10min, IW100 no problems <4min.

Hi,
Will it be better for pyromaniacs to use willow, or is it more recommended to stick with redwood? Charged phase of Arsonist bid is still so low RN!

lol my plan was to play imperil dark until lv 500 and then move on to non-imperil holy mage, but I thought I could consistently clear pffest with imperil dark, but maybe it's just inherently difficult due to slower cast speed of dark.

Maybe I should build a cold/fire mage exclusively for pffest idk lolol.

Hi,
Will it be better for pyromaniacs to use willow, or is it more recommended to stick with redwood? Charged phase of Arsonist bid is still so low RN!

It's a matter of choice. Do you want to have higher elemental damage+prof (Redwood) or innate counter-resist+depr prof? Both are viable IMHO.

It's a matter of choice. Do you want to have higher elemental damage+prof (Redwood) or innate counter-resist+depr prof? Both are viable IMHO.

I wonder if redwood is even remotely viable for pffest tho. Can somebody confirm?

I wonder if redwood is even remotely viable for pffest tho. Can somebody confirm?

I don't think redwood is a good choice for pffest.
Much more imperil resisted issue compared to willow.
Monsters in late GF can take you down in 1~2 actions so it's risky to recast imperil.

I don't think redwood is a good choice for pffest.
Much more imperil resisted issue compared to willow.
Monsters in late GF can take you down in 1~2 actions so it's risky to recast imperil.

Yea, I thought so. Sigh, I thought it was elec/wind>dark>cold/fire, but it seems at least for pffest everything else>dark (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

I might have to build a fire mage just for pffest :/

Yea, I thought so. Sigh, I thought it was elec/wind>dark>cold/fire, but it seems at least for pffest everything else>dark (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

I might have to build a fire mage just for pffest :/

You're a over-dramatizing it a bit. Dark isn't THAT bad. Redwood isn't THAT bad.

1. Redwood imperil cold served me fine for PFFEST. About 1 hour to 1:10 it took me.

2. Dark imperil works fine for PFFEST. About 50-60 minutes it took me.

Your plan to play imperil dark mage is still sound. Fire mage would work as well. Just don't expect the clear times of sssss2

I don't think redwood is a good choice for pffest.
Much more imperil resisted issue compared to willow.

I see. I'm certainly not thinking about Fest yet, but it's nice to hear about long-term viability.

New question:
Minimum forge level to complete PF-Fest for imperil elemental?
Does the large difference in price between, say, freyr and surtr phase reasonable?

You're a over-dramatizing it a bit. Dark isn't THAT bad. Redwood isn't THAT bad.

1. Redwood imperil cold served me fine for PFFEST. About 1 hour to 1:10 it took me.

2. Dark imperil works fine for PFFEST. About 50-60 minutes it took me.

Your plan to play imperil dark mage is still sound. Fire mage would work as well. Just don't expect the clear times of sssss2

Hmm but didn't you say you die some times with your build? Or was it explicitly for your non-imperil build? How consistent was your pffest runs as imperil dark mage?

I'm fine with spending a couple more minutes since it'll still be notches faster than 1H lol. I'm looking for consistent clear without dying or having to flee.

I see. I'm certainly not thinking about Fest yet, but it's nice to hear about long-term viability.

New question:
Minimum forge level to complete PF-Fest for imperil elemental?
Does the large difference in price between, say, freyr and surtr phase reasonable?

You will be able to play PFFEST up to round 600-700 with low forging, as long as you have all charged. Cotton & staff need full forging of course - Prof needs to be high enough. Forging ohases will make things easier, and you will get to higher rounds.

Price is not reasonable between freyr and surtr. Freyr is better, sure. But don't follow the prices for the top gear. Go for the okay gear instead. There, the prices are actually much more realistic and closer together.

Hmm but didn't you say you die some times with your build? Or was it explicitly for your non-imperil build? How consistent was your pffest runs as imperil dark mage?

I'm fine with spending a couple more minutes since it'll still be notches faster than 1H lol. I'm looking for consistent clear without dying or having to flee.

Haven't I told you this before? I have a weird sense of deja-vu...

Imperil dark, full charged: No problems in PFFEST. But I got bored with that style. Imperil cold, full charged (no wait, 1 radiant): no problems in PFFEST. But I got bored with that style. Please note: all my imperil builds have been decommissioned. Not because they sucked. Because I was done with them.

Non-imperil style, with 2 different sets (3+2 and 4+1): both have a hard time finishing PFFEST, because of dying. But getting to round 500 is very, very fast. I enjoy this style at the moment. That's why I play this style.



This post has been edited by DJNoni: Apr 13 2019, 14:18

Huh, from what you're saying non-imperil gets to round 500 much faster, but it's more susceptible to dying after that compared to imperil play? That's quite interesting...Anyways, thanks for the info (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Btw, did you get the supp prof perk? I might consider getting it after the DD V....Anything beyond DD V really seems to be so bad in terms of cost efficiency (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)