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dunno if im going to be able to do pffest without heavily forging armors too cause my EDB is only going to be around 260% and MDB around 4.8k

I don't think you can make it comfortably unless you are going to burn lots of vase/gum.

No, Burden and Interference kick in before all the cast buffs. So Haste, Heartseeker and Shadow Veil are pretty much guaranteed and applied as layers.
Actually, the wiki does answer that question, if you analyze the respective formulae. But I agree that it's not necessarily an easy thing to do for everyone, as it does require a certain level of mastery in maths.

I hope that this time you've got a clear answer to your question. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Thank you for the clarification. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

The thing that threw me off is the "Base xxx increase: x%"wording, which made it sound like the buffs were applied first before the burden and interference penalty. It also made me question myself for always refreshing the buffs if it was all just a pointless excercise...

I don't think you can make it comfortably unless you are going to burn lots of vase/gum.

just got worse, i'm only going to be able to get around .95 prof with max forge until i level base prof some more(currently 505). there just isnt enough decent rolled gear available to make this work.

I only have DDV so i don't know if this is going to work for me. maybe i just wait for better shoes to be available. the only one i could get right now is 20% prof and is pretty pricey for the low rolls. but it might be so expensive because it's literally the only one available.

just got worse, i'm only going to be able to get around .95 prof with max forge until i level base prof some more(currently 505). there just isnt enough decent rolled gear available to make this work.

I only have DDV so i don't know if this is going to work for me. maybe i just wait for better shoes to be available. the only one i could get right now is 20% prof and is pretty pricey for the low rolls. but it might be so expensive because it's literally the only one available.

Why are you going for 1.0 prof factor if you are playing elemental mage? Non-imperil elemental mage isn't really a thing, and if you cast imperil anything beyond 0.78 isn't really significant.

Why are you going for 1.0 prof factor if you are playing elemental mage? Non-imperil elemental mage isn't really a thing, and if you cast imperil anything beyond 0.78 isn't really significant.

I don't remember who but someone told me it was a thing though probably a heavily forged thing. If non-imperil elemental isn't a thing why would anyone prefer willow over redwood?

also does that mean radiant is useless for elemental since you need the cast speed to do imperil. if you have imperil the extra damage isn't needed right?

This post has been edited by jackalo: Apr 13 2019, 07:50

I don't remember who but someone told me it was a thing though probably a heavily forged thing. If non-imperil elemental isn't a thing why would anyone prefer willow over redwood?

also does that mean radiant is useless for elemental since you need the cast speed to do imperil. if you have imperil the extra damage isn't needed right?

decondelite is playing 1.0 imperil style. Works for him. But every other elemental mage, me included when I played cold, used prof factor 0.68 to start with, or just a bit higher. Why? That is enough to give you a defensive boost and to counter the specific mitigation of most monsters. A bit higher is better, but above 0.78 only FSM will get easier in my experience. And that one you don't encounter much. And another reason is that it will cost you too much EDB firepower to use 1.0 prof factor.

My advice: start with 0.68 prof factor, as it will increase with your base prof anyway. Use 4+1. You don't need full charged to start with, that's way too expensive. Just replace plain gear for charged as you go.

Willow? Because there are matching willow staves for Elec and Wind, and Willow has counter resist. Do you maybe think you don't need that in imperil play? Well, you do. The more, the better.

This post has been edited by DJNoni: Apr 13 2019, 08:07

decondelite is playing 1.0 imperil style. Works for him. But every other elemental mage, me included when I played cold, used prof factor 0.68 to start with, or just a bit higher. Why? That is enough to give you a defensive boost and to counter the specific mitigation of most monsters. A bit higher is better, but above 0.78 only FSM will get easier in my experience. And that one you don't encounter much. And another reason is that it will cost you too much EDB firepower to use 1.0 prof factor.

My advice: start with 0.68 prof factor, as it will increase with your base prof anyway. Use 4+1. You don't need full charged to start with, that's way too expensive. Just replace plain gear for charged as you go.

Willow? Because there are matching willow staves for Elec and Wind, and Willow has counter resist. Do you maybe think you don't need that in imperil play? Well, you do. The more, the better.

so does that mean radiant is kind of garbage for (WIND)elemental PFfest and imperil is necessary even with 1.0 prof?

i'm currently using 4 radiant and 1 charged elem but i was going to replace the radiant boots to bring me close to 1.0

so if non-imperil elemental isnt possible the goal is to go all charged then?

This post has been edited by jackalo: Apr 13 2019, 08:26

so does that mean radiant is kind of garbage for (WIND)elemental and imperil is necessary even with 1.0 prof?

i'm currently using 4 radiant and 1 charged elem but i was going to replace the radiant boots to bring me close to 1.0

so if non-imperil elemental isnt possible the goal is to go all charged then?

Radiant is good when survival isn't an issue (e.g. arenas, especially the SG arenas). I think if the goal is GF then probably mostly charged will be necessary until you are forged enough that you can get radiants again?

Edit: also, no need to go to 1.0 if you are imperil - as mentioned 0.7-0.8 is sufficient, so you can make do with 1 cotton for a bit more firepower from the extra phase.

This post has been edited by magiclamp: Apr 13 2019, 08:29

im getting desperate for charged gear right now, do any extra elemental points above 1.0 prof matter? if not im just going to pay for some low rolled charged gear.

right now im aiming to replace 2 of my pieces with charged elementals so i will have 1.0 prof and 3 radiant pieces.

dunno if im going to be able to do pffest without heavily forging armors too cause my EDB is only going to be around 260% and MDB around 4.8k

Anything beyond 1.0 prof factor is complete waste.
2 prof+3 radiants is my cool mage cheap set, and it works veeery well, for its intended purpose.
But frankly, if for arena purposes such a setup is a beast, that won't do for PFFEST without the max forging. Or maybe even with it.

Keep in mind aswell that if I use 1.0 prof factor, it's for arena purpose only. The pro of a 1.0 factor is to be able to clear rounds faster, as monsters that failed to be imperiled will take less blasts to die (basically you brute-force them). The other benefit of a 1.0 prof factor is that you will have slightly more counter-resist, which can make the difference at times. But the con is that imperiled monsters will sometimes need one more blast to die, which is a no-no during PFFEST.

See to it that imperil elemental with 1.0 prof factor is mostly fit to do the daily arena/RoB grind at a very decent speed and with a low cost. But when it comes to serious stuff, you need them imperil'd dudes to take the least blasts to die possible.

Az for non-imperil elemental... well it plays out roughly the same than for holy/dark, except that your spells base power is lower. So it's certainly not as efficient.

This post has been edited by decondelite: Apr 13 2019, 09:48

so does that mean radiant is kind of garbage for (WIND)elemental PFfest and imperil is necessary even with 1.0 prof?

i'm currently using 4 radiant and 1 charged elem but i was going to replace the radiant boots to bring me close to 1.0

so if non-imperil elemental isnt possible the goal is to go all charged then?

You don't need anything beyond 0.78 for imperil play. I'm saying that 0.68 with more firepower+imperil is better than 1.0 non-imperil, if you are playing elemental mage.

For arena you can do whatever the hell you want and still get by easily, but for pffest first you need a LOT of forging regardless of the style you are playing.

I don't know, it feels like playing non-imperil elemental is just as bad as playing imperil holy. It could work, sure, but it's not the best thing with the style.

Elemental - shorter casting time, 40% elemental mitigation, monsters have higher elemental resistance in general: Imperil's better
Dark - longer casting time, 25% dark mitigation, monsters have lower dark resistance in general: non-imperil Willow got shitloads of depr prof: imperil can work
Holy - longer casting time, 25% holy mitigation, breached defense, lower holy resistance in general, no depr prof on oak: Non-imperil's better.

Az for non-imperil elemental... well it plays out roughly the same than for holy/dark, except that your spells base power is lower. So it's certainly not as efficient.

Is the base power significantly lower? The spells themselves are the same, but holy/dark have soul fire/ripened soul. Are those significant enough to say they differ in the firepower? I've always been wondering.

EDIT: Oh T3 is the same but T1 T2 holy dark have it a bit better (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by Saioux: Apr 13 2019, 10:02

By the way, how are min/max profs supposed to affect the spells? They aren't explicitly listed in spell damage.

By the way, how are min/max profs supposed to affect the spells? They aren't explicitly listed in spell damage.

Profs?
Monsters have elemental mitigation. Players have proficiency, but I don't get min/max?

HV Utils shows the effect of prof factor quite nicely. It affects elemental counter resist and elemental resist, and the total damage that you can do on each type or upgrade-class of monster.

0.916 prof factor (and still rising)


1.0 prof factor


Question: which one do you think is more useful in PFFEST?

This post has been edited by DJNoni: Apr 13 2019, 11:21

Profs?
Monsters have elemental mitigation. Players have proficiency, but I don't get min/max?

HV Utils shows the effect of prof factor quite nicely. It affects elemental counter resist and elemental resist, and the total damage that you can do on each type or upgrade-class of monster.

0.916 prof factor (and still rising)


1.0 prof factor


Question: which one do you think is more useful in PFFEST?

This is listed in the wiki, maybe it's not applicable anymore post-0.82?



Answer: Second one, cuz you probably have enough firepower with the second one already with your at least DD V lol.

This is listed in the wiki, maybe it's not applicable anymore post-0.82?



Answer: Second one, cuz you probably have enough firepower with the second one already with your at least DD V lol.

It's probably referring your Cast speed (& also mana cost reduction).
For example, for Flames of Loki, with 800 prof you can have max CS bonus gain from proficiency.

This post has been edited by qr12345: Apr 13 2019, 11:39

This is listed in the wiki, maybe it's not applicable anymore post-0.82?



Answer: Second one, cuz you probably have enough firepower with the second one already with your at least DD V lol.

That means that if you have very low proficiency, the spells aren't available yet.

Second one, huh? So proficiency over firepower? Fact is, they are almost the same. 1st one is a bit faster in IW100, but has slightly higher chance of dying in PFFEST. 2nd one is a bit better in the last half of PFFEST, 1st one is a bit better in the 1st half of PFFEST. So it depends on when I flee.

It's probably referring your Cast speed (& also mana cost reduction).
For example, for Flames of Loki, with 800 prof you can have max CS bonus gain from proficiency.

Ah, maybe that's that.

That means that if you have very low proficiency, the spells aren't available yet.

Second one, huh? So proficiency over firepower? Fact is, they are almost the same. 1st one is a bit faster in IW100, but has slightly higher chance of dying in PFFEST. 2nd one is a bit better in the last half of PFFEST, 1st one is a bit better in the 1st half of PFFEST. So it depends on when I flee.

Yea but I guess what's bugging me is the max proficiency part. What is 900 proficiency supposed to do??

As for your set, I can't believe you still don't have a stable clear on pffest (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) I could only dream of reaching your set in a very distant future, yet if you can't do it ugh.

This post has been edited by Saioux: Apr 13 2019, 12:12

As I was saying over IRC, the "max prof" corresponds to the point where you reach the -25% cost for offensive spells, the max duration for other spells.

Ah, maybe that's that.
Yea but I guess what's bugging me is the max proficiency part. What is 900 proficiency supposed to do??

As for your set, I can't believe you still don't have a stable clear on pffest (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) I could only dream of reaching your set in a very distant future, yet if you can't do it ugh.

Well, I have the gear to go imperil style as well, but I'm done with that. Mind you, I have been grinding every day - every single day - since 2016. So that's why I am done with imperil play. My gear is very expensive. And still not enough to breeze through PFFEST. I think you need holy for that. But don't feel sorry for me (I am sure you didn't anyway (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) ). I have good income from arena's, DWD <10min, IW100 no problems <4min.

Hi,
Will it be better for pyromaniacs to use willow, or is it more recommended to stick with redwood? Charged phase of Arsonist bid is still so low RN!

lol my plan was to play imperil dark until lv 500 and then move on to non-imperil holy mage, but I thought I could consistently clear pffest with imperil dark, but maybe it's just inherently difficult due to slower cast speed of dark.

Maybe I should build a cold/fire mage exclusively for pffest idk lolol.