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I cleared pffest 100 levels ago using frd, took me 2hrs 30min. Now takes me the same time but with more DD and way better gear...

Do you intend to redo these tests with the current equipment? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) It would be interesting to see if anything has changed in those years. Or if this method of play is still valid.

If so, do you already have the necessary equipment?

Everything is still valid and definitely work (the stun-lock and the immortality, I'm sure about that!).... my only doubt is about how would be the survivability of new equipment (high quality + full forge) in late rounds of PFest without FRD, depending on that and since we have unlimited items now, maybe brute force it spamming restoratives can be more turn efficient than using FRD... I don't know... I "think" the end of the fest is still too dangerous for anything non-1h, and I know FRD would work brilliantly for that... it'd be interesting to compare clearspeeds.

My guess is that a hybrid playstyle, using Fus Ro Dah only in the end of the fest, could be the most turn efficient way to clear it.

(Any "weak" unforged set can do PFest with FRD though, that's how OP this skill is)

I'd love to make these kind of tests, but all melee equipment I have is still unforged, and I don't intend to forge them anytime soon... it'll happen only when I have full forged sets and can compare full fests with and without FRD... I don't know... maybe next year if I'm still playing by then... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


I know sickentide cleared PFest with 2h (with Longsword and Mace iirc) but I don't know much details about his build, playstyle, cleartime, etc... and afaik there aren't anyone else talking publicly about melee Pfesting.

the time needed to clear a FEST would be interesting when using this method, survivability is good, but when you need 4 hours for it...

When I did it, I needed around 3 hours and I was using unforged Exq/Mag equipment... if anything, the time can only be lower nowadays... (there are uber 1h sets doing pfests not too far below that time (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) )

This post has been edited by e-Stark: Mar 30 2019, 05:13

(there are uber 1h sets doing pfests not too far below that time (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) )

Between three hours twenty and three hours fiveteen. But my set is pure defense and not even fully forged, so i would say it is possible to get even below three hours as 1H. I mean with SoL and an offensive set, fully forged. Yeah, i can see that happen.

I recall seeing this today:

No I haven't forged to the maximum, but I'm working to it.
Oh, and it doesn't take me 12 hours to clear PFFEST. Roughly 1h45. I'm sure I can go down to 1h30 with a full forge set. I'm very far from full forge after all.

I recall seeing this today:

Yeah, no problem in easy mode and thereby this time is not relevant.

I'd love to make these kind of tests, but all melee equipment I have is still unforged, and I don't intend to forge them anytime soon... it'll happen only when I have full forged sets and can compare full fests with and without FRD... I don't know... maybe next year if I'm still playing by then... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Do not leave us! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) I hope someday you'll be willing to do those tests. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

(there are uber 1h sets doing pfests not too far below that time (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) )

Like me. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

To this day I only did 2 full PFUDORfests. In both, the time was roughly the same (3h 15min). The first one was almost 1 year ago, using 5 Protection. The second was about 7 months after the first, but using 4 Slaughter and 1 Balance. As I lose time as I level up, a larger ADB just made me make up for lost time in that period. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

I recall seeing this today:

That's my 1H clear time, and definitely the clear time to beat to consider PFFEST 2H to be viable.

That's my 1H clear time, and definitely the clear time to beat to consider PFFEST 2H to be viable.

C'mon man! that's the same as saying: "60 minutes is definitely the clear time to beat to consider PFFEST 1H to be viable." (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


Everyone should play with any style they feel like it, find the optimal results for your style is where the fun is...

The common sense is that no melee other than 1h can clear PFfest... sickentide already proved it's wrong, and I'm just putting more tools on the table, a different approach that I know works, I'm not sure about clear speed, that's not even the goal here... it can be faster than 1h? probably not! I don't think it'd be far worse either... and even if it was faster, 1H will always be the easiest way to play, its place in the game is guaranteed!

One thing I know for sure, 1h have been extensively tested in all different ways, a lot of its power and limitations are already know, as well as optimal ways to play with it... but there are little to no effort to extend other melee styles to their limits (not publicly at least)... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Who said I wouldn't play it even if it isn't as good as 1H?
Didn't you know that I declared the war against the streamline playstyles and that I enjoy playing the way how I like it and unlike everybody else? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

C'mon man! that's the same as saying: "60 minutes is definitely the clear time to beat to consider PFFEST 1H to be viable." (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Everyone should play with any style they feel like it, find the optimal results for your style is where the fun is...

The common sense is that no melee other than 1h can clear PFfest... sickentide already proved it's wrong, and I'm just putting more tools on the table, a different approach that I know works, I'm not sure about clear speed, that's not even the goal here... it can be faster than 1h? probably not! I don't think it'd be far worse either... and even if it was faster, 1H will always be the easiest way to play, its place in the game is guaranteed!

One thing I know for sure, 1h have been extensively tested in all different ways, a lot of its power and limitations are already know, as well as optimal ways to play with it... but there are little to no effort to extend other melee styles to their limits (not publicly at least)... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Thanks for your posts! Right now the way I see the state of DW is that it should be faster than 2H for schoolgirl arenas and RoBs, but 2H should dominate it in PFest and IWs. Heavy DW may be viable for FRD fests, but I simply don't have the resources to find out or to play with different weapon setups (rapier slaughter + swift waki offhand, or possibly axe mainhand and swift rapier offhand). I'll continue to try to model behavioural changes for standard DW setups, though, to improve speed.

Who said I wouldn't play it even if it isn't as good as 1H?
Didn't you know that I declared the war against the streamline playstyles and that I enjoy playing the way how I like it and unlike everybody else? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Yeah, I've read some posts of yours with "strong" opinion on these sort of things... that's why it got me surprised when you said it'd need to beat your time to be considered "viable". (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I can't say I always agree with everything you say ((IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)), but I really like how you try to approach things in a different angle than the established norm, I think everyone should do that once in a while. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Thanks for your posts! Right now the way I see the state of DW is that it should be faster than 2H for schoolgirl arenas and RoBs, but 2H should dominate it in PFest and IWs. Heavy DW may be viable for FRD fests, but I simply don't have the resources to find out or to play with different weapon setups (rapier slaughter + swift waki offhand, or possibly axe mainhand and swift rapier offhand). I'll continue to try to model behavioural changes for standard DW setups, though, to improve speed.

Thanks! =)
It's nice to see people trying different styles... good luck to you and all players that put enjoyment in front of the raw numbers! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

This post has been edited by e-Stark: Mar 30 2019, 12:07

Just cleared GF for the first time, 2h 12 min (12k turns at 1.5 t/s)... Turns not too bad but the t/s feels so bad T.T

Anyone know whether any proxy location from Cali will improve t/s?

This post has been edited by magiclamp: Mar 30 2019, 19:39

Just cleared GF for the first time, 2h 12 min (12k turns at 1.5 t/s)... Turns not too bad but the t/s feels so bad T.T

Anyone know whether any proxy location from Cali will improve t/s?

try using alt site first?

try using alt site first?

Thanks, but already on alt (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Thanks, but already on alt (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

What's your usual t/s for SG arenas?
The reason for low t/s may be upsurge of operations for survival in GF.

What's your usual t/s for SG arenas?
The reason for low t/s may be upsurge of operations for survival in GF.

Usual is around 2.1-2.2. Not much survival issues despite low forging and 3 mag pieces since using 1h mage - didn't need to even use elixirs.

when using niten how much overpower are you looking for, 5 on both main and offhand or only 5 on the offhand.

This post has been edited by jackalo: Mar 31 2019, 04:50

when using niten how much overpower are you looking for, 5 on both main and offhand or only 5 on the offhand.

I chose 5 on both, so 10

I chose 5 on both, so 10

I used to search some time ago, but I don't remember if I ever found the answer to the question:
Are Overpower potencies additive, or layered?

I used to search some time ago, but I don't remember if I ever found the answer to the question:
Are Overpower potencies additive, or layered?

AFAIK, absolutely no info on its actual behaviour. I'd love to know if it was a flat amount subtracted from the enemy's parry chance (so, 20% would be a complete negation of maximum monstre parry) or a percentage off it (ie, a 0.8 multiplier).

Also whether it considers it individual to the weapon that's hitting (I don't imagine so, I don't think any other mechanics work like this).

Would be similarly interested in the same mechanics for enhanced monsters ('decreases effective target parry/resist by 1%' + same for evade/block).

Likely needs Tenboro to explicitly confirm or deny those behaviours though

This post has been edited by lestion: Mar 31 2019, 15:23